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Ainin
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Ainin » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:10 pm

This is the second chilly-down notice.

Everyone, just calm down.
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Postby Unicario » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:11 pm

Ainin wrote:This is the second chilly-down notice.

Everyone, just calm down.


For the record, I am going to resubmit a revised ANTIFA that isn't all "ban and deport zem all" but more like "Can you guys at least be more democratic? yes? Thank you."
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Postby Malgrave » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:11 pm

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Uiiop wrote:Make a anti-ethnic nationalist law then. No need to ban parties of whole for the actions of a few who don't have a party(or a real political presence other than terrorism) to begin with.

Fascists don't deserve to be negotiated with.


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Postby Potenco » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:11 pm

I second Ainins proposal to calm the hell down. Still, the Fascist issue is going to remain a major elephant in the room that should be dealt with
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Postby Kamchastkia » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:12 pm

Brissia wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:Fascists don't deserve to be negotiated with.

Are you fucking kidding me?

No.

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Postby Unicario » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:12 pm

Potenco wrote:I second Ainins proposal to calm the hell down. Still, the Fascist issue is going to remain a major elephant in the room that should be dealt with


Upon further thought (and some IRL sedatives in the form of light alcohol and an ice pack to the head), I believe perhaps we should mandate that parties express democratic values, and not authoritarianism. This would apply to all parties that reject democracy in any form.

We should encourage a society of equality and freedom, not of authoritarianism, right? Even my fascist compatriots can agree.
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:16 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
It is called applying the law in a consistent and equal manner.

Could you link me to that? I'll look into it.


OOC: Here, viewtopic.php?p=15944872#p15944872 was the admin saying my post was a violation a PPUBA.

Here is my post, viewtopic.php?p=15944707#p15944707 I changed F****** nay to grossly massive Nay in the edit.

This is Yanalia's post raising a point of order. viewtopic.php?p=15944808#p15944808. Using the same clause as myself.
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Postby Brissia » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:16 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Brissia wrote:Are you fucking kidding me?

No.

Anyone, no matter what political views they have, has the right to be negotiated listened to.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Ainin » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:18 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Could you link me to that? I'll look into it.


OOC: Here, viewtopic.php?p=15944872#p15944872 was the admin saying my post was a violation a PPUBA.

Here is my post, viewtopic.php?p=15944707#p15944707 I changed F****** nay to grossly massive Nay in the edit.

This is Yanalia's post raising a point of order. viewtopic.php?p=15944808#p15944808. Using the same clause as myself.

What did the post originally say?
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Postby Kamchastkia » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:19 pm

Brissia wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:No.

Anyone, no matter what political views they have, has the right to be negotiated listened to.

:rofl: no.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:19 pm

Ainin wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
OOC: Here, viewtopic.php?p=15944872#p15944872 was the admin saying my post was a violation a PPUBA.

Here is my post, viewtopic.php?p=15944707#p15944707 I changed F****** nay to grossly massive Nay in the edit.

This is Yanalia's post raising a point of order. viewtopic.php?p=15944808#p15944808. Using the same clause as myself.

What did the post originally say?


I said above, F***ing nay.
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Postby New Vangskria » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:19 pm

Brissia wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:No.

Anyone, no matter what political views they have, has the right to be negotiated listened to.

Free speech must be for everyone, or it is for no one.
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Postby Kamchastkia » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:20 pm

New Vangskria wrote:
Brissia wrote:Anyone, no matter what political views they have, has the right to be negotiated listened to.

Free speech must be for everyone, or it is for no one.

:rofl: A lib-liberta-say- :rofl:

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Postby New Vangskria » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:22 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
New Vangskria wrote:Free speech must be for everyone, or it is for no one.

:rofl: A lib-liberta-say- :rofl:

What?
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Postby Potenco » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:29 pm

Brissia wrote:
Kamchastkia wrote:No.

Anyone, no matter what political views they have, has the right to be negotiated listened to.

Not necesserily. While I certainly believe the person has the right to hold said opinion, I frankly believe that fascism, along with HIV-denialism and a few other things, have no place in serious political discussion
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Postby New Vangskria » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:31 pm

Potenco wrote:
Brissia wrote:Anyone, no matter what political views they have, has the right to be negotiated listened to.

Not necesserily. While I certainly believe the person has the right to hold said opinion, I frankly believe that fascism, along with HIV-denialism and a few other things, have no place in serious political discussion

They have the right to be listened to. Do they have the right to be taken seriously? No.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:34 pm

Potenco wrote:
Brissia wrote:Anyone, no matter what political views they have, has the right to be negotiated listened to.

Not necesserily. While I certainly believe the person has the right to hold said opinion, I frankly believe that fascism, along with HIV-denialism and a few other things, have no place in serious political discussion

I agree. If someone expresses such views, I either ignore it or kill it with fire through a good rebuttal. You have the right to speak, but others are free to ignore you.
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Postby Unicario » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:34 pm

I'm announcing that my running mate will be Senator Zane Potenco.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:35 pm

New Vangskria wrote:
Potenco wrote:Not necesserily. While I certainly believe the person has the right to hold said opinion, I frankly believe that fascism, along with HIV-denialism and a few other things, have no place in serious political discussion

They have the right to be listened to.

No, they have the right to speak and express their opinions, which is why I oppose the ANTIFA. People have the right to ignore views they disagree with, however. You can express fascist views all you want, I'm free to ignore them if I like.
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Postby New Vangskria » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:38 pm

Geilinor wrote:
New Vangskria wrote:They have the right to be listened to.

No, they have the right to speak and express their opinions, which is why I oppose the ANTIFA. People have the right to ignore views they disagree with, however. You can express fascist views all you want, I'm free to ignore them if I like.

Yeah, I understand your point.
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Postby Belmaria » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:41 pm

Geilinor wrote:
New Vangskria wrote:They have the right to be listened to.

No, they have the right to speak and express their opinions, which is why I oppose the ANTIFA. People have the right to ignore views they disagree with, however. You can express fascist views all you want, I'm free to ignore them if I like.

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Postby Maklohi Vai » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:42 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Could you link me to that? I'll look into it.


OOC: Here, viewtopic.php?p=15944872#p15944872 was the admin saying my post was a violation a PPUBA.

Here is my post, viewtopic.php?p=15944707#p15944707 I changed F****** nay to grossly massive Nay in the edit.

This is Yanalia's post raising a point of order. viewtopic.php?p=15944808#p15944808. Using the same clause as myself.
I find myself corrected on this matter, thank you for bringing this to my attention. Your point is reinstated, and Kamchastkia is given the opportunity to withdraw his remarks.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:47 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Updated:
The Kyoto Protocol Ratification Act(KPRA)
Author: Geilinor [LD] | Urgency: Medium | Category:Environment and Energy | Sponsors:Kamchastkia[SAP], CTALNH[SAP], Gothmogs[TR], New Zepuha, Potenco[SAP]


The Senate of Aurentina,

Acknowledging that anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions and global warming pose threats to the environment of Aurentina,

Believing that action should be taken to support the environment and help to prevent global warming exceeding 2 or 1.5 degrees Celsius, relative to the pre-industrial level, which could have adverse consequences,

Hereby ratifies the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change(UNFCCC) and the Kyoto Protocol.




1. The Aurentine Commonwealth shall join the Kyoto Protocol under the second commitment period, lasting from 2013 to 2020.

2. Aurentina shall commit to reduce its anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions by 8% during this period.

3. The Ministry of the Environment shall be responsible for monitoring progress towards emissions goals and ensuring that Aurentina is compliant with the requirements of the Kyoto Protocol.


Hereby passes the Kyoto Protocol Ratification Act

I chose 8% as our target because that is what the EU committed to last time. We could just commit to keeping the amount the same, so it's easier for us to avoid penalties.

This bill may not be necessary, as Ainin is adding the Kyoto Protocol to his Second Amendment to the International Law Act.

Please transfer your sponsorships on my bill to Ainin's when the Kyoto Protocol gets added. Ainin's bill:
viewtopic.php?p=16443679#p16443679
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Postby Ainin » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:50 pm

Second Amendment to the International Law Act - Author: Ainin [TR] - Urgency: Utmost
Sponsors: Yanalia [RG], Battlion [NLP], The Realm of God [PC], Wolfmanne [PC], Slazliyka [CP], Geadland [PC], Luziyca, Fulflood [LD], Malgrave [USLP], Uiiop [TR], Unicario [RG], HumanSanity [RG], Malgrave [MSP], The Saint James Islands [TR], Geilinor [LD]
The Senate of Aurentina,

Ratifying the following treaties, documents and statutes:

  • The Charter of the United Nations
  • The Convention on the Law of the Sea
  • The Convention on International Civil Aviation
  • All 190 Statues, Treaties and Conventions of the International Labour Organization
  • The Safety of Life at Sea Convention
  • The Convention on the International Maritime Organization
  • The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade
  • The Convention against Transnational Organized Crime, and its additional protocols
  • The United Nations Convention against Corruption
  • The Constitution of the World Health Organization
  • The Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer
    • The Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer
  • The Kyoto Protocol
    • Annex I to the Protocol, with an 8% reduction target.

Issuing requests to the UN Secretariat, or if not applicable, the Directorate of the respective organizations, to join the following organizations and ratifying all necessary treaties to accede to them:

  • The Food and Agriculture Organization
  • The World Trade Organization
  • The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
  • The International Atomic Energy Agency
  • The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development
  • The International Telecommunications Union
  • The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization
  • The World Meteorological Organization
  • The World Tourism Organization
  • The Universal Postal Union

Hereby passes the Second Amendment to the International Law Act.
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Postby Uiiop » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:50 pm

Ainin wrote:
Second Amendment to the International Law Act - Author: Ainin [TR] - Urgency: Utmost
Sponsors: Yanalia [RG], Battlion [NLP], The Realm of God [PC], Wolfmanne [PC], Slazliyka [CP], Geadland [PC], Luziyca, Fulflood [LD], Malgrave [USLP]
The Senate of Aurentina,

Ratifying the following treaties, documents and statutes:

  • The Charter of the United Nations
  • The Convention on the Law of the Sea
  • The Convention on International Civil Aviation
  • All 190 Statues, Treaties and Conventions of the International Labour Organization
  • The Safety of Life at Sea Convention
  • The Convention on the International Maritime Organization
  • The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade
  • The Convention against Transnational Organized Crime, and its additional protocols
  • The United Nations Convention against Corruption
  • The Constitution of the World Health Organization
  • The Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer
    • The Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer
  • The Kyoto Protocol
    • Annex I to the Protocol, with an 8% reduction target.

Issuing requests to the UN Secretariat, or if not applicable, the Directorate of the respective organizations, to join the following organizations and ratifying all necessary treaties to accede to them:

  • The Food and Agriculture Organization
  • The World Trade Organization
  • The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
  • The International Atomic Energy Agency
  • The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development
  • The International Telecommunications Union
  • The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization
  • The World Meteorological Organization
  • The World Tourism Organization
  • The Universal Postal Union

Hereby passes the Second Amendment to the International Law Act.

I'll sponsor it.
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