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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:59 am

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Free South Califas wrote:That's fine, but separately, it also forces businesses to accept GBP and USD. Why dollars, and if dollars, why not euros? Surely German tourists are easier to attract to a European location than Americans?


The issue is that certain laws refer to USD values. Minimum wage, for example. Therefore, if workers are paid in USD, they should be able to spend it.

Then put in an ammendment in the act which amends all acts with reference to USD to their associated value in GBP at date of passage of the bill, should it pass.
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Postby Malgrave » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:00 am

Yanalia wrote:
Free South Califas wrote:That's fine, but separately, it also forces businesses to accept GBP and USD. Why dollars, and if dollars, why not euros? Surely German tourists are easier to attract to a European location than Americans?


The issue is that certain laws refer to USD values. Minimum wage, for example. Therefore, if workers are paid in USD, they should be able to spend it.


Are these laws not in violation of current standards?
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Postby Yanalia » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:00 am

Malgrave wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
The issue is that certain laws refer to USD values. Minimum wage, for example. Therefore, if workers are paid in USD, they should be able to spend it.


Are these laws not in violation of current standards?


Well, no, since we never established a sole legal tender currency.
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Postby Malgrave » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:05 am

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Are these laws not in violation of current standards?


Well, no, since we never established a sole legal tender currency.


I'd rather have an independent Aurentine currency.
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Postby Yanalia » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:07 am

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Well, no, since we never established a sole legal tender currency.


I'd rather have an independent Aurentine currency.


So would I, this is just for the interim so that people can spend their money until we implement full legal tender law.
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Postby Free South Califas » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:08 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
The issue is that certain laws refer to USD values. Minimum wage, for example. Therefore, if workers are paid in USD, they should be able to spend it.

Then put in an ammendment in the act which amends all acts with reference to USD to their associated value in GBP at date of passage of the bill, should it pass.

Unless I'm missing something, that seems like it might work.
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Postby Malgrave » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:31 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
The issue is that certain laws refer to USD values. Minimum wage, for example. Therefore, if workers are paid in USD, they should be able to spend it.

Then put in an ammendment in the act which amends all acts with reference to USD to their associated value in GBP at date of passage of the bill, should it pass.


Yep.
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Postby Potenco » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:45 pm

I think we should go for a monetary system like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory
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Postby Bleckonia » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:02 pm

Potenco wrote:I think we should go for a monetary system like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory


This idea, in my opinion, is utterly ridiculous. I am by all means a monetarist, meaning that government should raise/lower interest rates on borrowing money and print more/less money depending on the conditions, but MMT integrates fiscal policy and monetary policy, which each affect the economy differently. Surplus/deficit has minimal effect on demand and therefore inflation unless tax rates shoot way up REALLY quickly or down really quickly. Monetary policy, however, directly affects inflation and deflation. And the idea that government should run deficits is simply not prudential; after a while, you won't be able to pay your money back to other countries and you'll have to default.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:16 pm

Bleckonia wrote:
Potenco wrote:I think we should go for a monetary system like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory


This idea, in my opinion, is utterly ridiculous. I am by all means a monetarist, meaning that government should raise/lower interest rates on borrowing money and print more/less money depending on the conditions, but MMT integrates fiscal policy and monetary policy, which each affect the economy differently. Surplus/deficit has minimal effect on demand and therefore inflation unless tax rates shoot way up REALLY quickly or down really quickly. Monetary policy, however, directly affects inflation and deflation. And the idea that government should run deficits is simply not prudential; after a while, you won't be able to pay your money back to other countries and you'll have to default.

Before reading that article and the response, i thought I understood basic economics.
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Postby Free South Califas » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:24 pm

Basic economics: Assuming a hypothetical marketplace of perfect competition, a lot of money will flow toward economists.
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Postby Bleckonia » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:33 pm

I think we should go with a Thatcherist monetary policy and try to get inflation to a rate around 2%.
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Postby Seitonjin » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:34 pm

Bleckonia wrote:I think we should go with a Thatcherist monetary policy and try to get inflation to a rate around 2%.

Gags.

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Postby Bleckonia » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:42 pm

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Bleckonia wrote:I think we should go with a Thatcherist monetary policy and try to get inflation to a rate around 2%.

Gags.

You want to do what?!


Employ a monetary policy like Thatcher's. It worked to get inflation in control, and the economy grew greatly under her premiership. The introduction of monetarist policies by the Exchequer before her instatement also helped the economy grow.
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Postby Free South Califas » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:44 pm

No. I think enough of the world has grown past taking monetarism seriously. Even then, I don't see a justification for targeting inflation to effect some other end. A bit of inflation isn't necessarily the worst thing ever.
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:45 pm

Seitonjin wrote:
Bleckonia wrote:I think we should go with a Thatcherist monetary policy and try to get inflation to a rate around 2%.

Gags.

You want to do what?!


I actually agree with Bleckonia. We should direct our monetary policy towards the Thatcherist monetary policy
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:46 pm

Bleckonia wrote:
Seitonjin wrote:Gags.

You want to do what?!


Employ a monetary policy like Thatcher's. It worked to get inflation in control, and the economy grew greatly under her premiership. The introduction of monetarist policies by the Exchequer before her instatement also helped the economy grow.


I completely agree.
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Postby Seitonjin » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:47 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Seitonjin wrote:Gags.

You want to do what?!


I actually agree with Bleckonia. We should direct our monetary policy towards the Thatcherist monetary policy

I prefer more leaning towards something Singapore has done over the years. That has been more successful than Thatcherist murder.
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Postby Bleckonia » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:55 pm

Seitonjin wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
I actually agree with Bleckonia. We should direct our monetary policy towards the Thatcherist monetary policy

I prefer more leaning towards something Singapore has done over the years. That has been more successful than Thatcherist murder.


Please explain to me how Thatcherism was murder. Sure, it did result in a relatively minor recession in the mid 1980s, but it set the stage for more long-term monetary stability. It's like austerity; you have to bite the bullet and deal with it at first.
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Postby Seitonjin » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:01 pm

Bleckonia wrote:
Seitonjin wrote:I prefer more leaning towards something Singapore has done over the years. That has been more successful than Thatcherist murder.


Please explain to me how Thatcherism was murder. Sure, it did result in a relatively minor recession in the mid 1980s, but it set the stage for more long-term monetary stability. It's like austerity; you have to bite the bullet and deal with it at first.

And how minor was this recession? It also appears to me austerity does not fare well for some.

Also, what is the current status of the Aurentine economy? If inflation and unemployment are still at desirable levels, why try to cause more risk?
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Postby Ranbo » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:04 pm

First draft of Disability Code up:

Aurentine Public Disability Code
Author: Ranbo | Urgency: High | Sponsors:


ACKNOWLEDGING the numerous Aurentine citizens born with or having aquired a wide range of disabilities,

APPALLED at the how disenfranchised these citizens are in mobility of everyday tasks, 

STRONGLY BELIEVING Public Buildings should contribute to the welfare of disabled customers, visitors, and/or workers,

HEREBY establishes the following measures:

Section 1— Definitions:

1.) A disability is hereby defined as a physical or mental handicap, preventing a person from living a full, normal life or from temporarily or permanently holding a gainful job.
2.)There shall be 3 levels of disabilities:
Level 1: Total Disability,  or the inccapacity to perform the duties of any occupation either permanently or temporarily due to accident or illness, including but not limited to the total permanent inability to walk or deterioration of one's mental state.
Level 2: Partial Disability, or an incapacity preventing full performance of duties of any occupation as a result of accident or illness, including but not limited to cardiovascular impairments or certain mental disorders evaluated by medical documentation.
Level 3: Temporary Disability or an incapacity preventing full performance of certain occupations, the incapacity being only until the problem will eventually be cured or reversed, including but not limited to broken arms or twisted ankles, within reason.

2.) A Public Building shall hereby be defined as a building maintained by the publics expense in the service of the public.
       a.)Governmental Offices are classified as such under this provision.
3.) Public Transportation is hereby defined as a public service meant to 1.
to carry, move, or convey members of the populace from one area to another, maintained by the public's expense. 

Section 2—Disability Code, Buildings:

All Public Buildings must abide by these following provisions:
1.)All furniture including, but not limited to  tables, chairs, vending machines, and cabinetry shall be appropriated to ease access for persons with Total and/or Partial Disabilities. This is considered Meeting Standards.
       a.)Appropriating furniture for ease of access to Temporary Disabilities, or providing the aforementioned above with exceptional appropriation, is considered Exceeding Standards.
2.)Should a public building offer auditory-related services, they shall offer the following to the hearing impaired when applicable:
       a.)Hearing aids, and/or
       b.)Closed Captioning.
       c.)Offering one of these services to any hearing impaired, regardless of disability level, is considered Meeting Standards.
       d.)Offering both services, or offering one of the services exceptionally, is considered Exceeding Standards.
3.)Any current public buildings not complying with this code at the time of passage will have the exact timeframe of one year to comply with all measures listed in this section.
       a.)Any future public buildings, including those in current construction, must comply with all measures listed in this section.

Section 3—Disability Code, Transport:
All Public Transport vehicles and operators must abide by these following provisions:
1.)All Public Transport vehicles must allow for greater accessibility in the layout of each vehicle, allowing ease of access and comfort for partial and temporary disabled riders.
       a.) Complying with this provision shall be considered Meeting Standards
       b.) Exceptionally complying with this provision is considered Exceeding Standards.
      c.) All Public Transport vehicles not complying with this code at the time of passage will have the timeframe of one year to comply with this measure.
2.)All Public Transport vehicles must provide riders with partial or temporary disabilities with reasonable assistance in boarding and exiting the vehicle, should a family member/guardian or companion be absent.
      a.)In this provision, no rating system shall be established.
      b.)Complaints by any disabled rider on the conduct of their driver towards their condition shall be submitted to the relevant office within the Transportation Ministry.
3.)A Paratransit system shall be established in all residential areas with a population of or exceeding 5,000, picking up and distributing riders to locations of their choice.
         a.)This system shall solely be used by riders with total disabilities unable to use the public transit system independently.
        b.)Each rider may allow for one licensed caretaker to accompany them upon entry.
        c.) All riders or caretakers if such must show a valid 'Paratransit Pass'(PP) to the Paratransit driver permitting entry.
        d.) PP may only be obtained by the completion of a form distributed by the Transport ministry, which then may he returned to any relevant office in exchange for a pass.
        e.) Any person found in unlawful possession of any amount of PP shall be fined accordingly.
      
Section 4—Auditing
1.)Once, per calendar year, the previously listed services and establishments operating under a rating system shall be subjected to a federal audit, carried out by the Health Ministry.
       a.)Should any service or establishment receive a rating of Below Standards in any provision, the said service or establishment shall be issued a fine and given 30 days to rectify the offense.
      b.) Before any audit, a week's notice shall be given to the service or establishment being audited.
      c.)The Health Ministry shall set each audit deadline in advance, and dates are subject to change.

HEARBY passes the Aurentine Public Disability Code.
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:14 pm

Ranbo wrote:First draft of Disability Code up:

Aurentine Public Disability Code
Author: Ranbo | Urgency: High | Sponsors:


ACKNOWLEDGING the numerous Aurentine citizens born with or having aquired a wide range of disabilities,

APPALLED at the how disenfranchised these citizens are in mobility of everyday tasks, 

STRONGLY BELIEVING Public Buildings should contribute to the welfare of disabled customers, visitors, and/or workers,

HEREBY establishes the following measures:

Section 1— Definitions:

1.) A disability is hereby defined as a physical or mental handicap, preventing a person from living a full, normal life or from temporarily or permanently holding a gainful job.
2.)There shall be 3 levels of disabilities:
Level 1: Total Disability,  or the inccapacity to perform the duties of any occupation either permanently or temporarily due to accident or illness, including but not limited to the total permanent inability to walk or deterioration of one's mental state.
Level 2: Partial Disability, or an incapacity preventing full performance of duties of any occupation as a result of accident or illness, including but not limited to cardiovascular impairments or certain mental disorders evaluated by medical documentation.
Level 3: Temporary Disability or an incapacity preventing full performance of certain occupations, the incapacity being only until the problem will eventually be cured or reversed, including but not limited to broken arms or twisted ankles, within reason.

2.) A Public Building shall hereby be defined as a building maintained by the publics expense in the service of the public.
       a.)Governmental Offices are classified as such under this provision.
3.) Public Transportation is hereby defined as a public service meant to 1.
to carry, move, or convey members of the populace from one area to another, maintained by the public's expense. 

Section 2—Disability Code, Buildings:

All Public Buildings must abide by these following provisions:
1.)All furniture including, but not limited to  tables, chairs, vending machines, and cabinetry shall be appropriated to ease access for persons with Total and/or Partial Disabilities. This is considered Meeting Standards.
       a.)Appropriating furniture for ease of access to Temporary Disabilities, or providing the aforementioned above with exceptional appropriation, is considered Exceeding Standards.
2.)Should a public building offer auditory-related services, they shall offer the following to the hearing impaired when applicable:
       a.)Hearing aids, and/or
       b.)Closed Captioning.
       c.)Offering one of these services to any hearing impaired, regardless of disability level, is considered Meeting Standards.
       d.)Offering both services, or offering one of the services exceptionally, is considered Exceeding Standards.
3.)Any current public buildings not complying with this code at the time of passage will have the exact timeframe of one year to comply with all measures listed in this section.
       a.)Any future public buildings, including those in current construction, must comply with all measures listed in this section.

Section 3—Disability Code, Transport:
All Public Transport vehicles and operators must abide by these following provisions:
1.)All Public Transport vehicles must allow for greater accessibility in the layout of each vehicle, allowing ease of access and comfort for partial and temporary disabled riders.
       a.) Complying with this provision shall be considered Meeting Standards
       b.) Exceptionally complying with this provision is considered Exceeding Standards.
      c.) All Public Transport vehicles not complying with this code at the time of passage will have the timeframe of one year to comply with this measure.
2.)All Public Transport vehicles must provide riders with partial or temporary disabilities with reasonable assistance in boarding and exiting the vehicle, should a family member/guardian or companion be absent.
      a.)In this provision, no rating system shall be established.
      b.)Complaints by any disabled rider on the conduct of their driver towards their condition shall be submitted to the relevant office within the Transportation Ministry.
3.)A Paratransit system shall be established in all residential areas with a population of or exceeding 5,000, picking up and distributing riders to locations of their choice.
         a.)This system shall solely be used by riders with total disabilities unable to use the public transit system independently.
        b.)Each rider may allow for one licensed caretaker to accompany them upon entry.
        c.) All riders or caretakers if such must show a valid 'Paratransit Pass'(PP) to the Paratransit driver permitting entry.
        d.) PP may only be obtained by the completion of a form distributed by the Transport ministry, which then may he returned to any relevant office in exchange for a pass.
        e.) Any person found in unlawful possession of any amount of PP shall be fined accordingly.
      
Section 4—Auditing
1.)Once, per calendar year, the previously listed services and establishments operating under a rating system shall be subjected to a federal audit, carried out by the Health Ministry.
       a.)Should any service or establishment receive a rating of Below Standards in any provision, the said service or establishment shall be issued a fine and given 30 days to rectify the offense.
      b.) Before any audit, a week's notice shall be given to the service or establishment being audited.
      c.)The Health Ministry shall set each audit deadline in advance, and dates are subject to change.

HEARBY passes the Aurentine Public Disability Code.


I have a problem: Section 4, Clause 1c: I feel like a month it's ok, but what f the task to fix this problem exceeds 30 days? For example, building a ramp, among other things. Thus, I think the bill should say that 30 days be given to start the process of fixing the problem.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:18 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:Well dollars ARE the base currency in the world, so everybody knows how much it is worth and it makes sense to use that in our bills.
Notice how the Aurentine credit was compared to the dollar, not the sterling


Yes, but people are proposing we use it alongside the Sterling or the Euro and not simply base our currency on it or pin it to the US dollar, which makes more sense.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:20 pm

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It's all the idiot Americans who use dollars instead of proper currency.

Along with the idiot Canadians, Australians, and New Zealanders. Betraying the empire by naming their currency the dollar. :p


Thing being as that it may be called the dollar, but it's nothing like the American dollar.
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Postby Ranbo » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:22 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Ranbo wrote:First draft of Disability Code up:

Aurentine Public Disability Code
Author: Ranbo | Urgency: High | Sponsors:


ACKNOWLEDGING the numerous Aurentine citizens born with or having aquired a wide range of disabilities,

APPALLED at the how disenfranchised these citizens are in mobility of everyday tasks, 

STRONGLY BELIEVING Public Buildings should contribute to the welfare of disabled customers, visitors, and/or workers,

HEREBY establishes the following measures:

Section 1— Definitions:

1.) A disability is hereby defined as a physical or mental handicap, preventing a person from living a full, normal life or from temporarily or permanently holding a gainful job.
2.)There shall be 3 levels of disabilities:
Level 1: Total Disability,  or the inccapacity to perform the duties of any occupation either permanently or temporarily due to accident or illness, including but not limited to the total permanent inability to walk or deterioration of one's mental state.
Level 2: Partial Disability, or an incapacity preventing full performance of duties of any occupation as a result of accident or illness, including but not limited to cardiovascular impairments or certain mental disorders evaluated by medical documentation.
Level 3: Temporary Disability or an incapacity preventing full performance of certain occupations, the incapacity being only until the problem will eventually be cured or reversed, including but not limited to broken arms or twisted ankles, within reason.

2.) A Public Building shall hereby be defined as a building maintained by the publics expense in the service of the public.
       a.)Governmental Offices are classified as such under this provision.
3.) Public Transportation is hereby defined as a public service meant to 1.
to carry, move, or convey members of the populace from one area to another, maintained by the public's expense. 

Section 2—Disability Code, Buildings:

All Public Buildings must abide by these following provisions:
1.)All furniture including, but not limited to  tables, chairs, vending machines, and cabinetry shall be appropriated to ease access for persons with Total and/or Partial Disabilities. This is considered Meeting Standards.
       a.)Appropriating furniture for ease of access to Temporary Disabilities, or providing the aforementioned above with exceptional appropriation, is considered Exceeding Standards.
2.)Should a public building offer auditory-related services, they shall offer the following to the hearing impaired when applicable:
       a.)Hearing aids, and/or
       b.)Closed Captioning.
       c.)Offering one of these services to any hearing impaired, regardless of disability level, is considered Meeting Standards.
       d.)Offering both services, or offering one of the services exceptionally, is considered Exceeding Standards.
3.)Any current public buildings not complying with this code at the time of passage will have the exact timeframe of one year to comply with all measures listed in this section.
       a.)Any future public buildings, including those in current construction, must comply with all measures listed in this section.

Section 3—Disability Code, Transport:
All Public Transport vehicles and operators must abide by these following provisions:
1.)All Public Transport vehicles must allow for greater accessibility in the layout of each vehicle, allowing ease of access and comfort for partial and temporary disabled riders.
       a.) Complying with this provision shall be considered Meeting Standards
       b.) Exceptionally complying with this provision is considered Exceeding Standards.
      c.) All Public Transport vehicles not complying with this code at the time of passage will have the timeframe of one year to comply with this measure.
2.)All Public Transport vehicles must provide riders with partial or temporary disabilities with reasonable assistance in boarding and exiting the vehicle, should a family member/guardian or companion be absent.
      a.)In this provision, no rating system shall be established.
      b.)Complaints by any disabled rider on the conduct of their driver towards their condition shall be submitted to the relevant office within the Transportation Ministry.
3.)A Paratransit system shall be established in all residential areas with a population of or exceeding 5,000, picking up and distributing riders to locations of their choice.
         a.)This system shall solely be used by riders with total disabilities unable to use the public transit system independently.
        b.)Each rider may allow for one licensed caretaker to accompany them upon entry.
        c.) All riders or caretakers if such must show a valid 'Paratransit Pass'(PP) to the Paratransit driver permitting entry.
        d.) PP may only be obtained by the completion of a form distributed by the Transport ministry, which then may he returned to any relevant office in exchange for a pass.
        e.) Any person found in unlawful possession of any amount of PP shall be fined accordingly.
      
Section 4—Auditing
1.)Once, per calendar year, the previously listed services and establishments operating under a rating system shall be subjected to a federal audit, carried out by the Health Ministry.
       a.)Should any service or establishment receive a rating of Below Standards in any provision, the said service or establishment shall be issued a fine and given 30 days to rectify the offense.
      b.) Before any audit, a week's notice shall be given to the service or establishment being audited.
      c.)The Health Ministry shall set each audit deadline in advance, and dates are subject to change.

HEARBY passes the Aurentine Public Disability Code.


I have a problem: Section 4, Clause 1c: I feel like a month it's ok, but what f the task to fix this problem exceeds 30 days? For example, building a ramp, among other things. Thus, I think the bill should say that 30 days be given to start the process of fixing the problem.

An issue with that is that an establishment could wait until day 29, then stall indefinitely fixing it little by little. Either I can amend it to give a timeframe of 60 days, or keep slapping on fines until they fix it for fear of becoming broke.
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