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[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

We haven't passed drug legislation banning cocaine yet. We should ban it though.

Perhaps there should just be one bill, packaging up multiple 'offending drugs', instead of having one pass, then the complaint about another drug, than another bill pass, than another complaint...

That would save some work.

I completely agree. If you need some help writing the bill, you can count with mine

[Byzantium Imperial]

We haven't passed drug legislation banning cocaine yet. We should ban it though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykvc20YpXAQ

You need to watch this informational, yet entertaining video.

We arnt proposing arresting drug users. Rehab is what users get. Thats the main problem with US policy.

That and weed makes up 50% of hte cartells profits, and most everyone on this forum wants that legalized

[Byzantium Imperial]

We haven't passed drug legislation banning cocaine yet. We should ban it though.

Perhaps there should just be one bill, packaging up multiple 'offending drugs', instead of having one pass, then the complaint about another drug, than another bill pass, than another complaint...

That would save some work.

I wrote it out myself, the NSDA. It failed by a few votes cause apparantly people love heroin

[Belmaria]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykvc20YpXAQ

You need to watch this informational, yet entertaining video.

We arnt proposing arresting drug users. Rehab is what users get. Thats the main problem with US policy.

That and weed makes up 50% of hte cartells profits, and most everyone on this forum wants that legalized

Legalization of drugs at least allows regulation. And at least people will be buying from well-lit stores instead of shady crack houses run by gangs.

[Byzantium Imperial]

We arnt proposing arresting drug users. Rehab is what users get. Thats the main problem with US policy.

That and weed makes up 50% of hte cartells profits, and most everyone on this forum wants that legalized

Legalization of drugs at least allows regulation. And at least people will be buying from well-lit stores instead of shady crack houses run by gangs.

Do you even have the slightest idea where most of the worlds heroin comes from:
"It is prevalent in heroin coming from Afghanistan... produced roughly 87% of the world supply in illicit raw opium"
opium, by the way, is really just heroin modelled to a different market.

That shit should never be legal. Its nothing short of arming the Islamist Jihadists

[Belmaria]

Legalization of drugs at least allows regulation. And at least people will be buying from well-lit stores instead of shady crack houses run by gangs.

Do you even have the slightest idea where most of the worlds heroin comes from:
"It is prevalent in heroin coming from Afghanistan... produced roughly 87% of the world supply in illicit raw opium"
opium, by the way, is really just heroin modelled to a different market.

That shit should never be legal. Its nothing short of arming the Islamist Jihadists

How on Earth did you reach that conclusion? Even if that ridiculous statement were true, drug crimes are victim-less crimes, and the nanny state shouldn't be in the business of telling people what they can and cannot put in their own bodies.

[The Nihilistic view]

Do you even have the slightest idea where most of the worlds heroin comes from:
"It is prevalent in heroin coming from Afghanistan... produced roughly 87% of the world supply in illicit raw opium"
opium, by the way, is really just heroin modelled to a different market.

That shit should never be legal. Its nothing short of arming the Islamist Jihadists

How on Earth did you reach that conclusion? Even if that ridiculous statement were true, drug crimes are victim-less crimes, and the nanny state shouldn't be in the business of telling people what they can and cannot put in their own bodies.

[Ranbo]

Perhaps there should just be one bill, packaging up multiple 'offending drugs', instead of having one pass, then the complaint about another drug, than another bill pass, than another complaint...

That would save some work.

I completely agree. If you need some help writing the bill, you can count with mine

Unfortunately, at this time, I am drafting two bills already: One dealing qith a Disability Code, and one dealing with the establishment of a National Philharmonic. Adding one more to my plate, sadly, would not be in good health for me.

With that in mind, I fully encourage you to draft this bill yourself, and should you submit it to the coffeehouse for review, I am more than willing to offer advice and comments, and would even be willing to act as a sponsor. I look forward to seeing what you have in store!

[Belmaria]

How on Earth did you reach that conclusion? Even if that ridiculous statement were true, drug crimes are victim-less crimes, and the nanny state shouldn't be in the business of telling people what they can and cannot put in their own bodies.

You apparently don't know the definition of victimless crime

EDIT:

"A victimless crime is a term used to refer to actions that have been ruled illegal but which are argued not to directly violate or threaten the rights of any other individual. It often involves consensual acts in which two or more persons agree to commit a criminal offence in which no other person is involved. For example, in the United States, current victimless crimes include prostitution, gambling, and illicit drug use." - Wikipedia

[Ranbo]

Perhaps there should just be one bill, packaging up multiple 'offending drugs', instead of having one pass, then the complaint about another drug, than another bill pass, than another complaint...

That would save some work.

I wrote it out myself, the NSDA. It failed by a few votes cause apparantly people love heroin

It may just have been ahead of it's time. With a couple tweaks, a workable solution could be in order.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Do you even have the slightest idea where most of the worlds heroin comes from:
"It is prevalent in heroin coming from Afghanistan... produced roughly 87% of the world supply in illicit raw opium"
opium, by the way, is really just heroin modelled to a different market.

That shit should never be legal. Its nothing short of arming the Islamist Jihadists

How on Earth did you reach that conclusion? Even if that ridiculous statement were true, drug crimes are victim-less crimes, and the nanny state shouldn't be in the business of telling people what they can and cannot put in their own bodies.

Anybody who has died at the hands of the Taliban really disagrees with you about victimiless crime on that one. Anybody consuming Heroin is indirectly funding Islamic terrorists, who believe it or not, CONTROLL MOST OF AFGHANISTANS ILLEGAL PRODUCTION.
Coincidentally, since we have universal healthcare, the taxpayers are also victims

And in any case, people who are doing heroin and cocaine should be recieving Rehab. Im not throwing them in jail (though the dealers yes, they go to jail)

Im reffering again to heroin, but this applies to cocaine as well. The other ones are not relevant to my point.

[Belmaria]

How on Earth did you reach that conclusion? Even if that ridiculous statement were true, drug crimes are victim-less crimes, and the nanny state shouldn't be in the business of telling people what they can and cannot put in their own bodies.

Anybody who has died at the hands of the Taliban really disagrees with you about victimiless crime on that one. Anybody consuming Heroin is indirectly funding Islamic terrorists, who believe it or not, CONTROLL MOST OF AFGHANISTANS ILLEGAL PRODUCTION.

Im reffering again to heroin, but this applies to cocaine as well. The other ones are not relevant to my point.

And anyone who ate at Chick-fil-a was indirectly funding the killing of gays in South America. That doesn't mean that Chick-fil-a should be banned. And I'm saying that as a gay man.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Anybody who has died at the hands of the Taliban really disagrees with you about victimiless crime on that one. Anybody consuming Heroin is indirectly funding Islamic terrorists, who believe it or not, CONTROLL MOST OF AFGHANISTANS ILLEGAL PRODUCTION.

Im reffering again to heroin, but this applies to cocaine as well. The other ones are not relevant to my point.

And anyone who ate at Chick-fil-a was indirectly funding the killing of gays in South America. That doesn't mean that Chick-fil-a should be banned. And I'm saying that as a gay man.

Source. Im going to need a source. As last time i checked, Chick Fil a doesnt murder people in south america

[Geilinor]

Anybody who has died at the hands of the Taliban really disagrees with you about victimiless crime on that one. Anybody consuming Heroin is indirectly funding Islamic terrorists, who believe it or not, CONTROLL MOST OF AFGHANISTANS ILLEGAL PRODUCTION.

Im reffering again to heroin, but this applies to cocaine as well. The other ones are not relevant to my point.

And anyone who ate at Chick-fil-a was indirectly funding the killing of gays in South America. That doesn't mean that Chick-fil-a should be banned. And I'm saying that as a gay man.

South America? Brazil and Uruguay just legalized same-sex marriage and I don't think other countries in South America kill gays.

[The Nihilistic view]

You apparently don't know the definition of victimless crime

EDIT:

"A victimless crime is a term used to refer to actions that have been ruled illegal but which are argued not to directly violate or threaten the rights of any other individual. It often involves consensual acts in which two or more persons agree to commit a criminal offence in which no other person is involved. For example, in the United States, current victimless crimes include prostitution, gambling, and illicit drug use." - Wikipedia

Drugs induce people to go on and commit other crimes such as driving whilst intoxicated as well as theft, violent crime, rape and murder. innocent people suffer because of somebody else selfish behavior. It is not victimless.

[Belmaria]

You apparently don't know the definition of victimless crime

EDIT:

"A victimless crime is a term used to refer to actions that have been ruled illegal but which are argued not to directly violate or threaten the rights of any other individual. It often involves consensual acts in which two or more persons agree to commit a criminal offence in which no other person is involved. For example, in the United States, current victimless crimes include prostitution, gambling, and illicit drug use." - Wikipedia

Drugs induce people to go on and commit other crimes such as driving whilst intoxicated as well as theft, violent crime, rape and murder. innocent people suffer because of somebody else selfish behavior. It is not victimless.

So does Alcohol. One could also make the claim that guns enable murder. But alcohol and guns should not be banned.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Drugs induce people to go on and commit other crimes such as driving whilst intoxicated as well as theft, violent crime, rape and murder. innocent people suffer because of somebody else selfish behavior. It is not victimless.

So does Alcohol. One could also make the claim that guns enable murder. But alcohol and guns should not be banned.

But alcohol is produced legally, and most breweries arnt out to destroy america

[Belmaria]

And anyone who ate at Chick-fil-a was indirectly funding the killing of gays in South America. That doesn't mean that Chick-fil-a should be banned. And I'm saying that as a gay man.

South America? Brazil and Uruguay just legalized same-sex marriage and I don't think other countries in South America kill gays.

Chick-Fil-A funded the family research council, which spent $25,000 dollars to not condemn Uruguay for their kill-the-gays bill. The FRC also sent money to hate groups in other countries to help fund a kill-the-gays political campaign. In short, Chick-fil-a acted through proxy to fund these things, but they should not be banned because of it.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I would like to provide a source (from the UN) in this debate: http://www.unodc.org/pdf/technical_seri ... 1-01_1.pdf
It is not very current, but it give us an idea of the effects of the illegal drugs industry.

[Belmaria]

So does Alcohol. One could also make the claim that guns enable murder. But alcohol and guns should not be banned.

But alcohol is produced legally, and most breweries arnt out to destroy america

Just because a hate group profits from something doesn't mean it should be banned. If that were the case, religion should have been banned a long time ago.

[Ranbo]

But alcohol is produced legally, and most breweries arnt out to destroy america

Just because a hate group profits from something doesn't mean it should be banned. If that were the case, religion should have been banned a long time ago.

That is a rather offensive equivalency, Senator.

[Byzantium Imperial]

But alcohol is produced legally, and most breweries arnt out to destroy america

Just because a hate group profits from something doesn't mean it should be banned. If that were the case, religion should have been banned a long time ago.

We are talking about a substance which almost exclusively is produced by terrorists.


And by the way, not condeming Uraguay simply can not be equaled to killing gays. Additionally, i need a source that FRC actually funds the kill gay campaigns.
And even then, guess what: THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHICK FIL A.
The product Chick fil a sells is not inheritly derived from terrorists and criminals

[Belmaria]

Just because a hate group profits from something doesn't mean it should be banned. If that were the case, religion should have been banned a long time ago.

That is a rather offensive equivalency, Senator.

I don't care if it is offensive. It is true. The Crusades, the inquisition, Jihad, etc. Organized religion is inherently evil. But people should still have a right to express religious views.

[Belmaria]

Just because a hate group profits from something doesn't mean it should be banned. If that were the case, religion should have been banned a long time ago.

We are talking about a substance which almost exclusively is produced by terrorists.

Then do not ban the substance. Go after the terrorists. If by banning heroin, you also ban the amount produced by non-terrorists, how is that fair? It is just like gun control legislation. Do not punish good people for the actions of criminals.

[Byzantium Imperial]

We are talking about a substance which almost exclusively is produced by terrorists.

Then do not ban the substance. Go after the terrorists. If by banning heroin, you also ban the amount produced by non-terrorists, how is that fair? It is just like gun control legislation. Do not punish good people for the actions of criminals.

By the way, most of the rest of the worlds heroin is produced in neighboring PAKISTAN.
So, tell me, how do you propose obtaining this not Terror connected Heroin? It doesnt grow on trees you know.


And if 98% of a substance is produced by terrorists, then I dont give a shit about the remaining 2% who are making a living exploiting other peoples bad judgements and addictions. Those people should be ashamed of themselves anyway, and I will NEVER support a policy encouraging that.