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by **Haelunor** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:06 pm

President Pro-Tempore of the Senate wrote:
Haelunor wrote:
Do you have a point?

Why are you talking about something that we don't have?

Because it's a familiar thing for most Americans.

by **Corenea** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:08 pm

Haelunor wrote:
President Pro-Tempore of the Senate wrote:
Why are you talking about something that we don't have?

Because it's a familiar thing for most Americans.

But this isn't America, I don't see why you bring up a nation that has little to do with NSG Senate or Aurentina

by **Haelunor** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:09 pm

Corenea wrote:
Haelunor wrote:
Because it's a familiar thing for most Americans.

But this isn't America, I don't see why you bring up a nation that has little to do with NSG Senate or Aurentina

Because I was attempting to frame my point in a larger context than Aurentina. It appears to have flown over people's heads though.

by **Mkuki** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:10 pm

Haelunor wrote:I think people have developed a false meaning of oppression in order to rationalize their victimization and selfishness. Obeying gun laws is not oppression. Being required to have health insurance is not oppression. Paying your employee a liveable wage is not oppression. We have a Constitution to ensure the majority cannot oppress any minority. However, it's not there to make it so no one ever has to follow rules they don't like or pay for programs they don't directly benefit from. If you look around the world, in some cases just a few hundred miles away, you will see actual oppression. Not some sort of oppression created by people who feel entitled to do whatever they want because they are wealthyat this point in time.

Western living tends to have that effect.

by **President Pro-Tempore of the Senate** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:11 pm

Corenea wrote:
Haelunor wrote:
Because it's a familiar thing for most Americans.

But this isn't America, I don't see why you bring up a nation that has little to do with NSG Senate or Aurentina

This ^

by **President Pro-Tempore of the Senate** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:12 pm

Haelunor wrote:
Corenea wrote:But this isn't America, I don't see why you bring up a nation that has little to do with NSG Senate or Aurentina

Because I was attempting to frame my point in a larger context than Aurentina. It appears to have flown over people's heads though.

So use car insurance or MOT's as an example. Something we do have.

by **Haelunor** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:15 pm

President Pro-Tempore of the Senate wrote:
Haelunor wrote:
Because I was attempting to frame my point in a larger context than Aurentina. It appears to have flown over people's heads though.

So use car insurance or MOT's as an example. Something we do have.

I will now use car insurance instead. Thank you for your thorough attempt to enforce rp immersion ~~mr. Mayor of London~~ ppt.

by **Corenea** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:15 pm

Haelunor wrote:
Corenea wrote:But this isn't America, I don't see why you bring up a nation that has little to do with NSG Senate or Aurentina

Because I was attempting to frame my point in a larger context than Aurentina. It appears to have flown over people's heads though.

Fine then I'll base everything on Korean standards. Our education should be very demanding on our youth, let's have 5 hours worth of homework perday because that will better the Aurentine children and trying to get your kids to be smart is not oppression if it's for the greater good. We should also have conscription for males 18-23 to defend our land against the French, it's for the greater good since we're attacked by foreign countries before and it's not oppression if you're doing it for your country. We currently do not have a draft law in Aurentina and we'll get hammered if Russia decides to annex us. Remember, it's for our country and it's for the greater good so it's not oppression.

by **Mkuki** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:17 pm

Corenea wrote:
Haelunor wrote:
Because I was attempting to frame my point in a larger context than Aurentina. It appears to have flown over people's heads though.

Fine then I'll base everything on Korean standards. Our education should be very demanding on our youth, let's have 5 hours worth of homework perday because that will better the Aurentine children and trying to get your kids to be smart not oppression if it's for the greater good. We should also have conscription for males 18-23 to defend our land against the French, it's for the greater good since we're attacked by foreign countries before and it's not oppression if you're doing it for your country. We currently do not have a draft law in Aurentina and we'll get hammered if Russia decides to annex us

I think you're taking this way too personally.

by **President Pro-Tempore of the Senate** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:17 pm

Corenea wrote:
Haelunor wrote:
Because I was attempting to frame my point in a larger context than Aurentina. It appears to have flown over people's heads though.

Fine then I'll base everything on Korean standards. Our education should be very demanding on our youth, let's have 5 hours worth of homework perday because that will better the Aurentine children and trying to get your kids to be smart is not oppression if it's for the greater good. We should also have conscription for males 18-23 to defend our land against the French, it's for the greater good since we're attacked by foreign countries before and it's not oppression if you're doing it for your country. We currently do not have a draft law in Aurentina and we'll get hammered if Russia decides to annex us. Remember, it's for our country and it's for the greater good so it's not oppression.

by **Haelunor** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:19 pm

When was Korea invaded by France? That's news to me.

Edit: just looked it up, pretty obscure invasion, but it did happen.

by **President Pro-Tempore of the Senate** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:20 pm

Mkuki wrote:
Corenea wrote:Fine then I'll base everything on Korean standards. Our education should be very demanding on our youth, let's have 5 hours worth of homework perday because that will better the Aurentine children and trying to get your kids to be smart not oppression if it's for the greater good. We should also have conscription for males 18-23 to defend our land against the French, it's for the greater good since we're attacked by foreign countries before and it's not oppression if you're doing it for your country. We currently do not have a draft law in Aurentina and we'll get hammered if Russia decides to annex us

I think you're taking this way too personally.

It's a joke, satirising the view that forcing people to do things is not oppression when it's ones own country doing the forcing.

by **Haelunor** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:22 pm

It's a perverted analogy, one of the Seven Deadly Fallacies.

by **President Pro-Tempore of the Senate** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:25 pm

Haelunor wrote:It's a perverted analogy, one of the Seven Deadly Fallacies.

What are the seven deadly fallacies IYO?

by **United Great Britian** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:43 pm

Speed Vote Act
Author: United Great Britian (Independent) | Co-sponsors: Calimera II (Reform Party), Dendart (Classical Monarchist Party) | Category: Senate Procedures | Urgency: Medium
RECOGNISING that sometimes the senate moves to slowly for some issues.
BELIEVING that we have a duty to fix it.
HEREBY mandates that if a motion to call a "Speed Vote" is seconded ten times a speed vote will begin.
DEFINES a "Speed Vote" as a vote lasting 24 hours and requiring 75% to pass a bill.
HEREBY mandates that if any senator wishes for debate they may motion to hold the vote for debate. They can motion for this at any time from the tenth second on the Speed Vote motion to 48 hours after the vote has ended. This motion must be seconded a tenth time before it happens.
HEREBY mandates that if any senator wishes for a normal vote they may motion to hold the vote for a normal vote. They can motion for this at any time from the tenth second on the Speed Vote motion to 48 hours after the vote has ended. This motion must be seconded a tenth time before it happens.
CONFIRMING that no debate shall happen on the bill after it has been seconded the tenth time unless a motion to hold the vote passes.

by **Battlion** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:49 pm

United Great Britian wrote:
Speed Vote ActAuthor: United Great Britian (Independent) | Co-sponsors: | Category: Senate Procedures | Urgency: Medium
RECOGNISING that sometimes the senate moves to slowly for some issues,
BELIEVING that we have a duty to fix it.
HEREBY mandates that if a motion to call a "Speed Vote" is seconded ten times a speed vote will begin.
DEFINES a "Speed Vote" as a vote lasting 24 hours and requiring 75% to pass a bill.

I don't quite see the demand for this?

by **New Zepuha** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:08 pm

United Great Britian wrote:
Speed Vote ActAuthor: United Great Britian (Independent) | Co-sponsors: | Category: Senate Procedures | Urgency: Medium
RECOGNISING that sometimes the senate moves to slowly for some issues,
BELIEVING that we have a duty to fix it.
HEREBY mandates that if a motion to call a "Speed Vote" is seconded ten times a speed vote will begin.
DEFINES a "Speed Vote" as a vote lasting 24 hours and requiring 75% to pass a bill.

Hahaha no... no....

by **The Liberated Territories** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:11 pm

Haelunor wrote:When was Korea invaded by France? That's news to me.

Edit: just looked it up, pretty obscure invasion, but it did happen.

Which Korea? North Korea?

That is one country France WON'T surrender too.

by **The Nihilistic view** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:16 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Haelunor wrote:When was Korea invaded by France? That's news to me.

Edit: just looked it up, pretty obscure invasion, but it did happen.

Which Korea? North Korea?

That is one country France WON'T surrender too.

Not even to use Kim Jong Un's microwave on the Chinese?

by **United Great Britian** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:02 am

United Great Britian wrote:
Speed Vote Act
Author: United Great Britian (Independent) | Co-sponsors: | Category: Senate Procedures | Urgency: Medium
RECOGNISING that sometimes the senate moves to slowly for some issues.
BELIEVING that we have a duty to fix it.
HEREBY mandates that if a motion to call a "Speed Vote" is seconded ten times a speed vote will begin.
DEFINES a "Speed Vote" as a vote lasting 24 hours and requiring 75% to pass a bill.
HEREBY mandates that if any senator wishes for debate they may motion to hold the vote for debate. They can motion for this at any time from the tenth second on the Speed Vote motion to 48 hours after the vote has ended. This motion must be seconded a tenth time before it happens.
HEREBY mandates that if any senator wishes for a normal vote they may motion to hold the vote for a normal vote. They can motion for this at any time from the tenth second on the Speed Vote motion to 48 hours after the vote has ended. This motion must be seconded a tenth time before it happens.
CONFIRMING that no debate shall happen on the bill after it has been seconded the tenth time unless a motion to hold the vote passes.

Opinions? Sponsors?

by **Battlion** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:45 am

Senate President Pro Tempore (Role and Responsibility) Act
Authors: Michael Quinn [NDP] | Urgency:Upmost| SIMBEDS: Senatorial Procedures
Sponsors: Joshua Burchett [RG], Emilia Nuckerberg [IND]

The Senate of Aurentina, understanding the complex and demanding role that the Senate President Pro Tempore has been shown to be by those who have previously held the role and the lack of clear legislation creating crises that threatens the integrity of the Chamber and therefore recognising that new clear legislation is required, hereby passes the Senate President Pro Tempore (Role and Responsibility) Act.

Section I – Repeal and Amendment of Previous Legislation
a) Section 3e of the Provisional Republican Executive Act shall be hereby struck null and void
b) Section 3f of the Provisional Republican Executive Act shall be hereby struck null and void
c) Section 3g of the Provisional Republican Executive Act shall be hereby struck null and void
d) Section 3j of the Provisional Republican Executive Act shall be amended to say “If the President of the Senate and the President Pro Tempore is unable to fulfil any of their duties or refuses to do so, the Secretary of the Senate shall be permitted to act in place of the President Pro Tempore however if the all three previously mentioned are unable to fulfil any of their duties or refuse to do so the Administrators shall be required to act in place of the President Pro Tempore.

Section II – Office of the President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate
a) All previous mentioning of the Vice-President of the Senate shall be hereby known as the Senate President Pro Tempore.
b) The President of the Senate shall at any time nominate a Senator for the post of Senate President Pro Tempore in the Chamber who shall take office following a vote expressing confidence in the candidate with a supermajority of the Senate which shall be defined as 60% of all Senators who partake in the confidence vote.
c) The Senate President Pro Tempore shall have all the powers of the President of the Senate delegated to him/her upon a vote of confidence.
d) The President of the Senate, or the Senate President Pro Tempore on his behalf shall appoint a Secretary of the Senate who will be responsible for administrative tasks such as vote counting, organising and updating the official legislative queue and any other administrative tasks.
e) However, if directed by Administrators, President of the Senate or the Senate President Pro Tempore the Secretary of the Senate shall be able to organise and manage votes at any time.

Section III – Responsibilities of the Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate
a) In addition to all administrative duties outlined in Section II the Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate shall be subject to the following responsibilities.
b) The Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate shall be expected to be politically impartial at all times, showing no preference on legislative matters and shall therefore be required to abstain or not vote on all legislative votes in the Senate.
c) The Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate shall not be permitted to hold any Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet position to uphold political impartiality.
d) The Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate shall address any motions or other issues risen in the Chamber with an official and impartial response fully informed, whenever possible, by the laws of Aurentina.
e) The Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate shall be expected to address all Senators with respect and honour in all proceedings in the Chamber.
f) The Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate shall be responsible for maintaining order and decorum in the Chamber at all times.

Section IV – Failure to meet the Responsibilities of the Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate
a) If the responsibilities stated in section III are not fulfilled to an acceptable standard, these failures shall be sufficient grounds for a motion of no-confidence to be put forward against either the Senate President Pro Tempore and/or the Secretary of the Senate which shall require the support of fifteen Senators.
b) If the Senate President Pro Tempore or Secretary of the Senate is temporarily unable to fulfil their administrative and general responsibilities as set out in this act, then they shall be required to notify the Chamber in advance whenever possible to do so.

Something I wrote in response to the current situation regarding the President Pro Tempore, I'm hoping it should clarify situations like the current and solidifies some general expectations of the PpT and SoS into law with a procedure to remove them.

It's important that this is done rightly, so opinions and any edits are extremely welcome.

Sponsors are also appreciated

by **Oneracon** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:49 am

Battlion wrote:
Senate President Pro Tempore (Role and Responsibility) Act
Authors: Michael Quinn [NDP] | Urgency:Upmost| SIMBEDS: Senatorial Procedures
Sponsors:

The Senate of Aurentina, understanding the complex and demanding role that the Senate President Pro Tempore has been shown to be by those who have previously held the role and the lack of clear legislation creating crises that threatens the integrity of the Chamber recognising that new clear legislation is required, hereby passes the Senate President Pro Tempore (Role and Responsibility) Act.

Section I – Repeal and Amendment of Previous Legislation
a) Section 3e of the Provisional Republican Executive Act shall be hereby struck null and void
b) Section 3f of the Provisional Republican Executive Act shall be hereby struck null and void
c) Section 3g of the Provisional Republican Executive Act shall be hereby struck null and void
d) Section 3j of the Provisional Republican Executive Act shall be amended to say “If the President of the Senate and the President Pro Tempore is unable to fulfil any of their duties or refuses to do so, the Secretary of the Senate shall be permitted to act in place of the President Pro Tempore however if the all three previously mentioned are unable to fulfil any of their duties or refuse to do so the Administrators shall be required to act in place of the President Pro Tempore.

Section II – Office of the President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate
a) All previous mentioning of the Vice-President of the Senate shall be hereby known as the Senate President Pro Tempore.
b) The President of the Senate shall at any time nominate a Senator for the post of Senate President Pro Tempore in the Chamber who shall take office following a vote expressing confidence in the candidate with a supermajority of the Senate which shall be defined as 60% of all Senators who partake in the confidence vote.
c) The Senate President Pro Tempore shall have all the powers of the President of the Senate delegated to him/her upon a vote of confidence.
d) The President of the Senate, or the Senate President Pro Tempore on his behalf shall appoint a Secretary of the Senate who will be responsible for administrative tasks such as vote counting, organising and updating the official legislative queue and any other administrative tasks.
e) However, if directed by Administrators, President of the Senate or the Senate President Pro Tempore the Secretary of the Senate shall be able to organise and manage votes at any time.

Section III – Responsibilities of the Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate
a) In addition to all administrative duties outlined in Section II the Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate shall be subject to the following responsibilities.
b) The Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate shall be expected to be politically impartial at all times, showing no preference on legislative matters and shall therefore be required to abstain or not vote on all legislative votes in the Senate.
c) The Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate shall not be permitted to hold any Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet position to uphold neutrality.
d) The Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate shall address any motions or other issues risen in the Chamber with an official and impartial response informed, wherever possible, by the laws of Aurentina.
e) The Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate shall be expected to address all Senators with respect and honour in all proceedings in the Chamber.
f) The Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate shall be responsible for maintaining order and decorum in the Chamber at all times.

Section IV – Failure to meet the Responsibilities of the Senate President Pro Tempore and Secretary of the Senate
a) If the responsibilities stated in section III are not fulfilled to an acceptable standard, these failures shall be sufficient grounds for a motion of no-confidence to be put forward against either the Senate President Pro Tempore and/or the Secretary of the Senate which shall require the support of fifteen Senators.
b) If the Senate President Pro Tempore or Secretary of the Senate is temporarily unable to fulfil their administrative and general responsibilities as set out in this act, then they shall be required to notify the Chamber in advance whenever possible to do so.

Something I wrote in response to the current situation regarding the President Pro Tempore, I'm hoping it should clarify situations like the current and solidifies some general expectations of the PpT and SoS into law with a procedure to remove them.

It's important that this is done rightly, so opinions and any edits are extremely welcome.

Sponsors are also appreciated

I sponsor.

by **Battlion** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:03 am

I've added you in

by **New Zepuha** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:30 am

Battlion wrote:I've added you in

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