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[Dangelia]

Why?

The answer's kind of in the quote.

As for the edit, I'll clarify and say the executive should be chosen by a majority of the populace. The legislature as well.

But it never is the majority of the populace. That is only a dream in democracy. Only a certain plurality of people come, and they majority of them may not represent what the majority of the nation wants. And even if it does. It allows 51% of the people to oppress the other 49%.

[Ainin]

The answer's kind of in the quote.

As for the edit, I'll clarify and say the executive should be chosen by a majority of the populace. The legislature as well.

But it never is the majority of the populace. That is only a dream in democracy. Only a certain plurality of people come, and they majority of them may not represent what the majority of the nation wants. And even if it does. It allows 51% of the people to oppress the other 49%.

Never is a bit too misleading.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ng.svg.png
Red = Compulsory voting in effect

(excluding people that don't have the right to vote, of course)

[Mkuki]

The answer's kind of in the quote.

As for the edit, I'll clarify and say the executive should be chosen by a majority of the populace. The legislature as well.

But it never is the majority of the populace. That is only a dream in democracy. Only a certain plurality of people come, and they majority of them may not represent what the majority of the nation wants. And even if it does. It allows 51% of the people to oppress the other 49%.

Most elections of developed countries have well over 50% of adults voting.

Even if a plurality, that's better than one person, or even a small interconnected group, choosing who gets to run my country. I'll be damned if I see a monarchy established in Aurentina.

[Geilinor]

What's wrong with that?

Voting is imbalanced. A missed vote from a majority party barely harms anyone. A missed vote from a minority party has no other votes backing it up.

All votes are equal. Most parties use whips sparingly and getting the support of a few prominent members isn't a guarantee that the entire party will vote for a bill.

[Geilinor]

The answer's kind of in the quote.

As for the edit, I'll clarify and say the executive should be chosen by a majority of the populace. The legislature as well.

But it never is the majority of the populace. That is only a dream in democracy. Only a certain plurality of people come, and they majority of them may not represent what the majority of the nation wants. And even if it does. It allows 51% of the people to oppress the other 49%.

Voter turnout is rarely less than 50%. Show us even one example. Also, if you just want a constitutional monarchy, why are you opposing democracy? You aren't arguing for the abolition of democracy in Aurentina, are you?

[Ainin]

I think he means one candidate gaining the support of more than 50% of the total electorate.

Which actually happens in places with compulsory voting.

[Geilinor]

I think he means one candidate gaining the support of more than 50% of the total electorate.

Better than a hereditary monarchy, with no candidates for head of state and no voters.

[Dangelia]

But it never is the majority of the populace. That is only a dream in democracy. Only a certain plurality of people come, and they majority of them may not represent what the majority of the nation wants. And even if it does. It allows 51% of the people to oppress the other 49%.

Never is a bit too misleading.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ng.svg.png
Red = Compulsory voting in effect

(excluding people that don't have the right to vote, of course)

So now your forcing people to believe in democracy.

[Dangelia]

I think he means one candidate gaining the support of more than 50% of the total electorate.

Which actually happens in places with compulsory voting.

Yes. But it's not fair when 51% get to oppress the other 41%

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

*Plays constitutional Monarchy card*

[Ainin]

Never is a bit too misleading.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ng.svg.png
Red = Compulsory voting in effect

(excluding people that don't have the right to vote, of course)

So now your forcing people to believe in democracy.

Thank you for your strawman.

Do I look like the government of Australia to you?

My point is that your claim is false due to the existence of countries with compulsory voting, not that I support compulsory voting.

[Mkuki]

*Plays constitutional Monarchy card*


(Image)

Shouldn't that be a pug?

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

*Plays constitutional Monarchy card*


(Image)

Shouldn't that be a pug?

Yuck, pugs ew.

[Geilinor]

I think he means one candidate gaining the support of more than 50% of the total electorate.

Which actually happens in places with compulsory voting.

Yes. But it's not fair when 51% get to oppress the other 41%

Constitutional monarchy solves that how? It makes things even less fair.

[Dendart]

Yes. But it's not fair when 51% get to oppress the other 41%

Constitutional monarchy solves that how? It makes things even less fair.

Lifes not fair

[Mkuki]

Shouldn't that be a pug?

Yuck, pugs ew.

Sorry, I meant bulldogs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbols_of ... sle_of_Man

[Mkuki]

I think he means one candidate gaining the support of more than 50% of the total electorate.

Which actually happens in places with compulsory voting.

Yes. But it's not fair when 51% get to oppress the other 41%

That's a pretty rare occurrence in most modern western democracies.

[Ainin]

I think he means one candidate gaining the support of more than 50% of the total electorate.

Which actually happens in places with compulsory voting.

Yes. But it's not fair when 51% get to oppress the other 41%

What happened to the other 8%?

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

Yes. But it's not fair when 51% get to oppress the other 41%

What happened to the other 8%?

The 51% threw them in the gulag.

[Geilinor]

Constitutional monarchy solves that how? It makes things even less fair.

Lifes not fair

Dangelia's the one saying we need to change the preexisting system because it's "unfair".

[Haelunor]

I think people have developed a false meaning of oppression in order to rationalize their victimization and selfishness. Obeying gun laws is not oppression. Being required to have car insurance is not oppression. Paying your employee a liveable wage is not oppression. We have a Constitution to ensure the majority cannot oppress any minority. However, it's not there to make it so no one ever has to follow rules they don't like or pay for programs they don't directly benefit from. If you look around the world, in some cases just a few hundred miles away, you will see actual oppression. Not some sort of oppression created by people who feel entitled to do whatever they want because they are wealthyat this point in time.

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

I think people have developed a false meaning of oppression in order to rationalize their victimization and selfishness. Obeying gun laws is not oppression. Being required to have health insurance is not oppression. Paying your employee a liveable wage is not oppression. We have a Constitution to ensure the majority cannot oppress any minority. However, it's not there to make it so no one ever has to follow rules they don't like or pay for programs they don't directly benefit from. If you look around the world, in some cases just a few hundred miles away, you will see actual oppression. Not some sort of oppression created by people who feel entitled to do whatever they want because they are wealthyat this point in time.

We don't have to have health insurance...............

[Dangelia]

Yes. But it's not fair when 51% get to oppress the other 41%

Constitutional monarchy solves that how? It makes things even less fair.

How?

[Haelunor]

I think people have developed a false meaning of oppression in order to rationalize their victimization and selfishness. Obeying gun laws is not oppression. Being required to have health insurance is not oppression. Paying your employee a liveable wage is not oppression. We have a Constitution to ensure the majority cannot oppress any minority. However, it's not there to make it so no one ever has to follow rules they don't like or pay for programs they don't directly benefit from. If you look around the world, in some cases just a few hundred miles away, you will see actual oppression. Not some sort of oppression created by people who feel entitled to do whatever they want because they are wealthyat this point in time.

We don't have to have health insurance...............

Do you have a point?

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

We don't have to have health insurance...............

Do you have a point?

Why are you talking about something that we don't have?