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[Geilinor]

Why do we want equal distribution of votes rather than majoritarian rule?

Parties have a strong influence on how voting happens.

What's wrong with that?

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

Party size has far less of a bearing than formerly.

So this is about helping your party at the expense of others? I, as one of the leaders of the largest party in the Senate, am not supporting this.

I would not worry about it. The largest parties will control the most districts. As I keep saying it a solution to a problem that does not excist whilst at the same time it creates more problems than is solves. I.e solves 0 problems and creates at least 2.

[Geilinor]

What would be the point? It's like giving the president a crown and saying, "You're a monarch now".

Exactly.

Hohenzollern for king 2014!

[Dangelia]

I'm telling you, it's gotta be an executive constitutional monarchy. It's the best way.

Could it at least be an elective monarchy?

No. Hereditary. But the Monarch gets to appoint the heir to the throne among his children.

[Ainin]

I'm telling you, it's gotta be an executive constitutional monarchy. It's the best way.

Could it at least be an elective monarchy?

I'd support this, on the condition that all candidates must be named Padmé Amidala and wear silly futuristic dresses.

[Mediciano]

I have a solution to all the election problems: Replace the democratic system of government with a meritocratic dictatorship, as advocated by the Iron Party.

Deal.

Dibs on being everything.

We'll have a gladiator championship in the Chamber to determine the leader. It'll get great ratings, I guarantee it.

[Dangelia]

Exactly.

Hohenzollern for king 2014!

I would be fine with that. At least for Germany. In Aurentina, I would think it would Graf Von Tyrannien.

[The New World Oceania]

Parties have a strong influence on how voting happens.

What's wrong with that?

Voting is imbalanced. A missed vote from a majority party barely harms anyone. A missed vote from a minority party has no other votes backing it up.

[Dangelia]

Could it at least be an elective monarchy?

I'd support this, on the condition that all candidates must be named Padmé Amidala and wear silly futuristic dresses.

I was serious.

[Mediciano]

Exactly.

Hohenzollern for king 2014!

His Imperial and Royal Majesty Friedrich, By the Grace of God, German Emperor and King of Prussia, Margrave of Brandenburg, Burgrave of Nuremberg, Count of Hohenzollern, Duke of Silesia and of the County of Glatz, Grand Duke of the Lower Rhine and of Posen, Duke of Saxony, of Angria, of Westphalia, of Pomerania and of Lunenburg, Duke of Schleswig, of Holstein and of Crossen, Duke of Magdeburg, of Bremen, of Guelderland and of Jülich, Cleves and Berg, Duke of the Wends and the Kashubians, of Lauenburg and of Mecklenburg, Landgrave of Hesse and in Thuringia, Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia, Prince of Orange, of Rugen, of East Friesland, of Paderborn and of Pyrmont, Prince of Halberstadt, of Münster, of Minden, of Osnabrück, of Hildesheim, of Verden, of Kammin, of Fulda, of Nassau and of Moers, Princely Count of Henneberg, Count of the Mark, of Ravensberg, of Hohenstein, of Tecklenburg and of Lingen, Count of Mansfeld, of Sigmaringen and of Veringen, Lord of Frankfurt doesn't like being referred to as "king."

[Mkuki]

Why do we want equal distribution of votes rather than majoritarian rule?

Parties have a strong influence on how voting happens. PpT says that the Electoral system doesn't actually stop this, so that's the proof we're currently looking for.

Exactly how? Is there proof of a significant number of Senators voting against their own interests because the party says to do x or f? Also, what problem are these districts supposed to solve? How do they work? Will they make it easier to do the business of the Senate?

[Ainin]

I'd support this, on the condition that all candidates must be named Padmé Amidala and wear silly futuristic dresses.

I was serious.

So am I.

Amidala 2014.

[Dangelia]

Hohenzollern for king 2014!

His Imperial and Royal Majesty Friedrich, By the Grace of God, German Emperor and King of Prussia, Margrave of Brandenburg, Burgrave of Nuremberg, Count of Hohenzollern, Duke of Silesia and of the County of Glatz, Grand Duke of the Lower Rhine and of Posen, Duke of Saxony, of Angria, of Westphalia, of Pomerania and of Lunenburg, Duke of Schleswig, of Holstein and of Crossen, Duke of Magdeburg, of Bremen, of Guelderland and of Jülich, Cleves and Berg, Duke of the Wends and the Kashubians, of Lauenburg and of Mecklenburg, Landgrave of Hesse and in Thuringia, Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia, Prince of Orange, of Rugen, of East Friesland, of Paderborn and of Pyrmont, Prince of Halberstadt, of Münster, of Minden, of Osnabrück, of Hildesheim, of Verden, of Kammin, of Fulda, of Nassau and of Moers, Princely Count of Henneberg, Count of the Mark, of Ravensberg, of Hohenstein, of Tecklenburg and of Lingen, Count of Mansfeld, of Sigmaringen and of Veringen, Lord of Frankfurt doesn't like being referred to as "king."

Aye.

[Mkuki]

Could it at least be an elective monarchy?

No. Hereditary. But the Monarch gets to appoint the heir to the throne among his children.

That's dumb. Simple as that.

[President Pro-Tempore of the Senate]

Deal.

Dibs on being everything.

We'll have a gladiator championship in the Chamber to determine the leader. It'll get great ratings, I guarantee it.

I wanted to start an Aurentine gladiator league way back in June but "health and safety"

[Mkuki]

I'd support this, on the condition that all candidates must be named Padmé Amidala and wear silly futuristic dresses.

I was serious.

Well, Padmé is pretty hot.

[Corenea]

On our current voting system, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Dangelia]

No. Hereditary. But the Monarch gets to appoint the heir to the throne among his children.

That's dumb. Simple as that.

Why?

[Ainin]

*a random Senate staffer puts up a framed picture of a guillotine on the wall*

[Mkuki]

That's dumb. Simple as that.

Why?

Leaders should be chosen. That's why. I don't want to live in a country where my leader is such because of who his parents were.

[Dangelia]

Why?

Leaders should be chosen. That's why. I don't want to live in a country where my leader is such because of who his parents were.

Why? The leader is chosen, by the previous leader.

Leader= monarch

[Mkuki]

Leaders should be chosen. That's why. I don't want to live in a country where my leader is such because of who his parents were.

Why?

The answer's kind of in the quote.

As for the edit, I'll clarify and say the executive should be chosen by a majority of the populace. The legislature as well.

[The New World Oceania]

Parties have a strong influence on how voting happens. PpT says that the Electoral system doesn't actually stop this, so that's the proof we're currently looking for.

Exactly how? Is there proof of a significant number of Senators voting against their own interests because the party says to do x or f? Also, what problem are these districts supposed to solve? How do they work? Will they make it easier to do the business of the Senate?

It has nothing to do with whether or not the Party insists someone do something. Being a member of a larger party is almost like insurance for voting.
If you don't vote, do you want sixty votes backing up your missed opportunity, or two?
Furthermore, if you vote differently from your party's majority, do you want two votes voiding your choice, or sixty?
In Districts, parties become void from the process of voting.

On our current voting system, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Slightly broken. Not severely. Thus, slight fixing wouldn't do harm.

[The New World Oceania]

*a random Senate staffer puts up a framed picture of a guillotine on the wall*

Let's slow down with the monarchy, now. >.>

[Mkuki]

Exactly how? Is there proof of a significant number of Senators voting against their own interests because the party says to do x or f? Also, what problem are these districts supposed to solve? How do they work? Will they make it easier to do the business of the Senate?

It has nothing to do with whether or not the Party insists someone do something. Being a member of a larger party is almost like insurance for voting.
If you don't vote, do you want sixty votes backing up your missed opportunity, or two?
Furthermore, if you vote differently from your party's majority, do you want two votes voiding your choice, or sixty?
In Districts, parties become void from the process of voting.

On our current voting system, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Slightly broken. Not severely. Thus, slight fixing wouldn't do harm.

I'm still not understanding what this is supposed to be fixing.

This is much more than slight fixing. Its a systematic overhaul.