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The Realm of God
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Postby The Realm of God » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:49 pm

Perhaps I could offer my services as Prime Minister.

I'll give my reasons

1)I'm close to Wolfmann politically, so you will get Wolfmann's politics and a candidate who may be acceptable to the NIFP and CMP.

2) I have experience in cross-party negotiations, I played a part in the Centrist Coalition, getting parties to unite around the National Security Act and various diplomatic posts in the Prog-Con party, I successfully established good relations with the monarchists as ambassador to the CMP

3)I'm active within the Senate as an organiser and a cosponsor for bills, as well as the former minister of defence.

4)I'm politically ecumenical I have ideas that appeal to all sides of the political spectrum while still maintaining my identity as a moderate centrist.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:51 pm

I'd be more willing to support Realm of God than Wolfmanne for Prime Minister if Bleckonia loses. Speaking of which,
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Britanno wrote:If Blecknoia fails to get PM and we nominate Wolf and he passes, then I propose we give labour to another party. However, if Bleck passes then the Prog-Cons keep Labour.


If I don't get PM, can I have labour? After all, I dropped out of the race to get AfA elected, and I'd like a cabinet position.

This seems only fair to me.
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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:53 pm

The Realm of God wrote:Perhaps I could offer my services as Prime Minister.

I'll give my reasons

1)I'm close to Wolfmann politically, so you will get Wolfmann's politics and a candidate who may be acceptable to the NIFP and CMP.

2) I have experience in cross-party negotiations, I played a part in the Centrist Coalition, getting parties to unite around the National Security Act and various diplomatic posts in the Prog-Con party, I successfully established good relations with the monarchists as ambassador to the CMP

3)I'm active within the Senate as an organiser and a cosponsor for bills, as well as the former minister of defence.

4)I'm politically ecumenical I have ideas that appeal to all sides of the political spectrum while still maintaining my identity as a moderate centrist.

I am fine with RoG as well. Speaking of which, funding of $150 billion per year for ministry of research and science, aye or no?
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Postby Wolfmanne » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:54 pm

I'm fine with conceding Premiership to Realm. I'll take up his position of Foreign Minister, although personally I think I could handle Finance better (I'll speak to Geadland about that). I'll also work on a supply and confidence agreement as well with some of ProgCoa parties.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:54 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:Perhaps I could offer my services as Prime Minister.

I'll give my reasons

1)I'm close to Wolfmann politically, so you will get Wolfmann's politics and a candidate who may be acceptable to the NIFP and CMP.

2) I have experience in cross-party negotiations, I played a part in the Centrist Coalition, getting parties to unite around the National Security Act and various diplomatic posts in the Prog-Con party, I successfully established good relations with the monarchists as ambassador to the CMP

3)I'm active within the Senate as an organiser and a cosponsor for bills, as well as the former minister of defence.

4)I'm politically ecumenical I have ideas that appeal to all sides of the political spectrum while still maintaining my identity as a moderate centrist.

I am fine with RoG as well. Speaking of which, funding of $150 billion per year for ministry of research and science, aye or no?

No. Our budget is not $1.5 trillion unless we set taxes to 100% in everything. I say that 2% is fine.
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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:55 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:No. Our budget is not $1.5 trillion unless we set taxes to 100% in everything. I say that 2% is fine.

My question was for RoG.
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Postby United Soviet Jason Republic » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:56 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:Perhaps I could offer my services as Prime Minister.

I'll give my reasons

1)I'm close to Wolfmann politically, so you will get Wolfmann's politics and a candidate who may be acceptable to the NIFP and CMP.

2) I have experience in cross-party negotiations, I played a part in the Centrist Coalition, getting parties to unite around the National Security Act and various diplomatic posts in the Prog-Con party, I successfully established good relations with the monarchists as ambassador to the CMP

3)I'm active within the Senate as an organiser and a cosponsor for bills, as well as the former minister of defence.

4)I'm politically ecumenical I have ideas that appeal to all sides of the political spectrum while still maintaining my identity as a moderate centrist.

I am fine with RoG as well. Speaking of which, funding of $150 billion per year for ministry of research and science, aye or no?


I vote aye but i am not the finance minister so i can only say that i agree. However i am a big supporter of science and research so if you ever want to put a bill forward about it, contact me and i am bound to say yes.

Edit i went back and did some research. You get £400,000,000. I would support a raise of that amount, but not billions. Forgive my comment earlier.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:57 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:I am fine with RoG as well. Speaking of which, funding of $150 billion per year for ministry of research and science, aye or no?

No. Our budget is not $1.5 trillion unless we set taxes to 100% in everything. I say that 2% is fine.

You know, we should probably decide whether we're going to use the long or short scale.
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Postby The Realm of God » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:00 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:Perhaps I could offer my services as Prime Minister.

I'll give my reasons

1)I'm close to Wolfmann politically, so you will get Wolfmann's politics and a candidate who may be acceptable to the NIFP and CMP.

2) I have experience in cross-party negotiations, I played a part in the Centrist Coalition, getting parties to unite around the National Security Act and various diplomatic posts in the Prog-Con party, I successfully established good relations with the monarchists as ambassador to the CMP

3)I'm active within the Senate as an organiser and a cosponsor for bills, as well as the former minister of defence.

4)I'm politically ecumenical I have ideas that appeal to all sides of the political spectrum while still maintaining my identity as a moderate centrist.

I am fine with RoG as well. Speaking of which, funding of $150 billion per year for ministry of research and science, aye or no?


That would depend entirely on what you wanted it for, solving a food crisis=fine, developing medical equipment=fine, improving the efficiency of technology=fine. Examples of what I wouldn't want you doing include launching a fully fledged independent space program.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:02 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:I am fine with RoG as well. Speaking of which, funding of $150 billion per year for ministry of research and science, aye or no?


That would depend entirely on what you wanted it for, solving a food crisis=fine, developing medical equipment=fine, improving the efficiency of technology=fine. Examples of what I wouldn't want you doing include launching a fully fledged independent space program.

You do know our GDP is currently about $1.2 trillion and that's subject to change right Realm? That's over 10% of our GDP and at least 25% of our budget.
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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:03 pm

The Realm of God wrote:That would depend entirely on what you wanted it for, solving a food crisis=fine, developing medical equipment=fine, improving the efficiency of technology=fine. Examples of what I wouldn't want you doing include launching a fully fledged independent space program.

As much as I would love to do that (and a lot more), that much isn't going to be enough for that and we do run on finances so I wont launch fully fledged independent space program but I will try to work in collaboration with ESA and/or NASA, subject to alliance's approval.
Here's what I am planning...
On that basis, I support RoG's appointment if current appointment fails. (ooc: thank you sooooooo much...)
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Postby The Realm of God » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:07 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:
That would depend entirely on what you wanted it for, solving a food crisis=fine, developing medical equipment=fine, improving the efficiency of technology=fine. Examples of what I wouldn't want you doing include launching a fully fledged independent space program.

You do know our GDP is currently about $1.2 trillion and that's subject to change right Realm? That's over 10% of our GDP and at least 25% of our budget.


Right, can I see the budget?
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Postby The Realm of God » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:09 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:
That would depend entirely on what you wanted it for, solving a food crisis=fine, developing medical equipment=fine, improving the efficiency of technology=fine. Examples of what I wouldn't want you doing include launching a fully fledged independent space program.

You do know our GDP is currently about $1.2 trillion and that's subject to change right Realm? That's over 10% of our GDP and at least 25% of our budget.


Ok, we can try and fit some extra money for the Research Department but I think we will have to set up a system that allows companies to invest into the department to generate more revenue because we can't afford it.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:09 pm

Wolf you have yet to comment on my Military Proposal.

And Again Note it isn't complete.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:09 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:You do know our GDP is currently about $1.2 trillion and that's subject to change right Realm? That's over 10% of our GDP and at least 25% of our budget.


Right, can I see the budget?

It's estimated, but not guaranteed (unlikely if anything), to be about £400,000,000. Admins are still (or will) sorting out final details.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:10 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:Wolf you have yet to comment on my Military Proposal.

And Again Note it isn't complete.

I'll look at it later.
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Postby Battlion » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:11 pm

May I point out that the big educational reform we're proposing will need a big education budget...

So don't dump nothing in there

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Postby Wolfmanne » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:12 pm

And health care reform along with defence and justice, along with probably many other ministries, needs a big budget as well. It's not all about research.
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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:12 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:And health care reform along with defence and justice, along with probably many other ministries, needs a big budget as well. It's not all about research.

Advances in research will have benefits across the board for every sector.

The Realm of God wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:You do know our GDP is currently about $1.2 trillion and that's subject to change right Realm? That's over 10% of our GDP and at least 25% of our budget.


Ok, we can try and fit some extra money for the Research Department but I think we will have to set up a system that allows companies to invest into the department to generate more revenue because we can't afford it.

Exactly, finance ministry could give tax breaks to companies working with ministry of research thus having same effective budget for research and science.
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Postby Battlion » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:14 pm

On a completely unrelated topic, can I have a word with some good with graphics? :D

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Postby United Soviet Jason Republic » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:14 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:And health care reform along with defence and justice, along with probably many other ministries, needs a big budget as well. It's not all about research.


I think instead of fighting over it now we should wait until we know how much money we do have to work with After that the ministries can submit their budgets to the government for approval. For all we know right now we are fighting about money that doesn't exist.
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Postby The Realm of God » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:15 pm

I think what I would do is have each department submit a request for a share of the budget stating why they need it. 1) so we can perform a sort of census that allows us to see what various departments are using the money for and 2) we can see if our coffers will stretch far enough for everybody and if not we need to think about a new tax system.

If we need a new tax system I would call a cross coalition council.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:15 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:And health care reform along with defence and justice, along with probably many other ministries, needs a big budget as well. It's not all about research.

Advances in research will have benefits across the board for every sector.

But we don't need to give it so much money. There are many more things that need to be dealt first, from the energy grid to getting our health care system up and running, setting in plan this 'Curriculum for Excellence'. All in all, Research turns out to not be a big priority.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:16 pm

@Realm: me and Nepal agreed on this one:

viewtopic.php?p=15544380#p15544380
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:17 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:Realm, me and Nepal agreed on this one:

viewtopic.php?p=15544380#p15544380


I don't think that's a very fair tax division
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