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Postby Of the Quendi » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:56 am

Hathradic States wrote:
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I second this nomination. The Lord Tyrannien would be a fine choice due to his policies on the manner. He is diligent and loyal, to boot.

Third.

What ministry would the CMP abandon to get environment.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:59 am

Angleter wrote:I believe we should support Bleck for PM, but I understand some of where Britanno is coming from - Bleck is probably going to be more of a stretch to get approved by the Senate now he's gone from NCP to CFE.

Regardless, for Britanno to go back on his word after Bleckonia and his party helped him be elected President is extremely bad show; besides which, I for one distrust Wolfmanne and would be much happier working with Bleckonia. The AfA may not survive such a political betrayl immediately after Britanno taking power.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:02 am

Of the Quendi wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Third.

What ministry would the CMP abandon to get environment.

None. It isn't in the CMP's interest to swap any of the ministries we currently have for Environment. However, I believe I would be a good choice to fulfill the position now that it is vacant, so I am putting myself forward for the President's consideration.
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Postby Of the Quendi » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:07 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:What ministry would the CMP abandon to get environment.

None. It isn't in the CMP's interest to swap any of the ministries we currently have for Environment. However, I believe I would be a good choice to fulfill the position now that it is vacant, so I am putting myself forward for the President's consideration.

The PM's consideration.

Well i cannot support that the CMP gets another ministry. The party which nominated the previous candidate should be given a chance to appoint a new one.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:11 am

Of the Quendi wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:None. It isn't in the CMP's interest to swap any of the ministries we currently have for Environment. However, I believe I would be a good choice to fulfill the position now that it is vacant, so I am putting myself forward for the President's consideration.

The PM's consideration.

Well i cannot support that the CMP gets another ministry. The party which nominated the previous candidate should be given a chance to appoint a new one.

Thank you for correcting me.

I do not expect your support, Senator. I believe that the LFP and the CMP have the most antagonistic relationship of any parties in the Alliance, and your views on the environment are completely different to mine.
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Postby Of the Quendi » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:13 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:The PM's consideration.

Well i cannot support that the CMP gets another ministry. The party which nominated the previous candidate should be given a chance to appoint a new one.

Thank you for correcting me.

I do not expect your support, Senator. I believe that the LFP and the CMP have the most antagonistic relationship of any parties in the Alliance, and your views on the environment are completely different to mine.

What are your views on environment? Surely not to do nothing about climats change?
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Postby Angleter » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:16 am

Having lost the Prime Minister's Office, the NCP should, I think, get to hold onto Environment.
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Postby Battlion » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:17 am

Sorry, but I must agree on the consideration of the CMP getting another ministry you must give one up.

On regards to Wolf/Bleck I see both sides of the argument here, if we had won the election comfortably I would say let's steam ahead with Bleck but we didn't, we won by a slim margin of votes. We need someone who is going to get the support of both sides, if Bleck can prove he can do that I will back him but if he doesn't then I will have to go with wolf.

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Postby Of the Quendi » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:17 am

Angleter wrote:Having lost the Prime Minister's Office, the NCP should, I think, get to hold onto Environment.

I Think that makes sense.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:28 am

Of the Quendi wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Thank you for correcting me.

I do not expect your support, Senator. I believe that the LFP and the CMP have the most antagonistic relationship of any parties in the Alliance, and your views on the environment are completely different to mine.

What are your views on environment? Surely not to do nothing about climats change?

Where the hell did you get that idea? I thought it would be common knowledge by now that I'm a rabid environmentalist.

My response to the LFP's environmental policies, as laid out in your manifesto:

Libertarians acknowledge protection of the environment as a worthy goal, but we believe that the environmental movement has gone too far.

Hardly. It hasn't gone far enough.
We are uncompromisingly opposed to any "cap and trade" program.

I am unflinchingly in favour of it.
We support a removal of the various environmental obstacles to new development that have slowed growth in recent years;

I think there should be more barriers to development that encroaches on the countryside and natural environment.
we are especially opposed to the "environmental impact reports" that can often drag out new development projects for years or even decades.

While I fully support them.
We support the continued existence of a national park system, but believe that some parks should privatized through sale of parklands to private owners who pledge to sustainably use the land.

I am against the privatization of national parks and believe they should be expanded and given more government funds.

You also state that you support the continued use of fossil fuels and a gradual phasing out, whereas I believe we must take drastic action to curb our fossil fuel usage and switch to renewable and nuclear energy as soon as possible.
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Postby Hathradic States » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:34 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:What are your views on environment? Surely not to do nothing about climats change?

Where the hell did you get that idea? I thought it would be common knowledge by now that I'm a rabid environmentalist.

My response to the LFP's environmental policies, as laid out in your manifesto:

Libertarians acknowledge protection of the environment as a worthy goal, but we believe that the environmental movement has gone too far.

Hardly. It hasn't gone far enough.
We are uncompromisingly opposed to any "cap and trade" program.

I am unflinchingly in favour of it.
We support a removal of the various environmental obstacles to new development that have slowed growth in recent years;

I think there should be more barriers to development that encroaches on the countryside and natural environment.
we are especially opposed to the "environmental impact reports" that can often drag out new development projects for years or even decades.

While I fully support them.
We support the continued existence of a national park system, but believe that some parks should privatized through sale of parklands to private owners who pledge to sustainably use the land.

I am against the privatization of national parks and believe they should be expanded and given more government funds.

You also state that you support the continued use of fossil fuels and a gradual phasing out, whereas I believe we must take drastic action to curb our fossil fuel usage and switch to renewable and nuclear energy as soon as possible.

I suddenly find myself less backing of you for this.

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Postby Of the Quendi » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:44 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:What are your views on environment? Surely not to do nothing about climats change?

Where the hell did you get that idea? I thought it would be common knowledge by now that I'm a rabid environmentalist.

My response to the LFP's environmental policies, as laid out in your manifesto:

Libertarians acknowledge protection of the environment as a worthy goal, but we believe that the environmental movement has gone too far.

Hardly. It hasn't gone far enough.
We are uncompromisingly opposed to any "cap and trade" program.

I am unflinchingly in favour of it.
We support a removal of the various environmental obstacles to new development that have slowed growth in recent years;

I think there should be more barriers to development that encroaches on the countryside and natural environment.
we are especially opposed to the "environmental impact reports" that can often drag out new development projects for years or even decades.

While I fully support them.
We support the continued existence of a national park system, but believe that some parks should privatized through sale of parklands to private owners who pledge to sustainably use the land.

I am against the privatization of national parks and believe they should be expanded and given more government funds.

You also state that you support the continued use of fossil fuels and a gradual phasing out, whereas I believe we must take drastic action to curb our fossil fuel usage and switch to renewable and nuclear energy as soon as possible.
Well I also thought it Odd. But the LFP policy (one I partially disagree with) isn't to do nothing. We just want to focus on developing viable alternatives to fossil fuels rather than impose restrictions on consumption.
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Postby Jetan » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:43 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
I second this nomination. The Lord Tyrannien would be a fine choice due to his policies on the manner. He is diligent and loyal, to boot.

Third.

Enviroment is NCP ministry. We already gave up Culture to CMP and lost PM with Bleckonias switch, so Enviroment is our last full ministry and stays with us.
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Postby Battlion » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:55 am

Jetan wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Third.

Enviroment is NCP ministry. We already gave up Culture to CMP and lost PM with Bleckonias switch, so Enviroment is our last full ministry and stays with us.


If the CMP want environment then they sacrifice a department, only fair.

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Postby The Realm of God » Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:59 am

Look we are all ladies and gentlemen here, how about we simply decide to honour our arrangements. Lest we disintegrate in petty infighting and force Aurentina into anouther period of anarchy.
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Postby United Soviet Jason Republic » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:18 am

The Realm of God wrote:Look we are all ladies and gentlemen here, how about we simply decide to honour our arrangements. Lest we disintegrate in petty infighting and force Aurentina into anouther period of anarchy.


Yes, lets not go down fighting after a major victory. We shouldn't squabble about the small things. I am not meaning to call the environment a small thing, it is very important to me, the good thing about this coalition is that we can all sit down and if we have to, discuss our policies and compromise. We don't like everything, but that isn't a reason to drop everything and walk out of something we all worked on to get going. This goes to everyone really. We have made a great effort to reach across party lines and we shouldn't leave it to ruin.
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Postby Jetan » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:21 am

United Soviet Jason Republic wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:Look we are all ladies and gentlemen here, how about we simply decide to honour our arrangements. Lest we disintegrate in petty infighting and force Aurentina into anouther period of anarchy.


Yes, lets not go down fighting after a major victory. We shouldn't squabble about the small things. I am not meaning to call the environment a small thing, it is very important to me, the good thing about this coalition is that we can all sit down and if we have to, discuss our policies and compromise. We don't like everything, but that isn't a reason to drop everything and walk out of something we all worked on to get going. This goes to everyone really. We have made a great effort to reach across party lines and we shouldn't leave it to ruin.

Sure we can be civil about this. But seeing as NCP has already gone from PM + 2 ministries + 1 junior minister to 1 ministry + 1 junior minister we will not go to 1 junior minister.
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Postby The Realm of God » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:23 am

Jetan wrote:
United Soviet Jason Republic wrote:
Yes, lets not go down fighting after a major victory. We shouldn't squabble about the small things. I am not meaning to call the environment a small thing, it is very important to me, the good thing about this coalition is that we can all sit down and if we have to, discuss our policies and compromise. We don't like everything, but that isn't a reason to drop everything and walk out of something we all worked on to get going. This goes to everyone really. We have made a great effort to reach across party lines and we shouldn't leave it to ruin.

Sure we can be civil about this. But seeing as NCP has already gone from PM + 2 ministries + 1 junior minister to 1 ministry + 1 junior minister we will not go to 1 junior minister.


It was the Prime Minister I was talking about but I agree NCP should keep environment.
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Postby Maryginia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:43 am

I can tell you this, I'Il be backing Bleck's being PM 100%.
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Postby Battlion » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:44 am

why don't we just let bleck's old party retain the PM'ship?

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Postby Maryginia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:56 am

Battlion wrote:why don't we just let bleck's old party retain the PM'ship?

Agreed if we don't then we will go to infighting shortly, as Bleck, and Myself, and Bleck's supporters will not agree with it, so what if he changed parties, he probably though, his political views didn't match the one he had when he created the party, the views that he had at the election are different from the ones when he founded his parrty.
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Postby Battlion » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:08 am

If we won this election with a huge majority I'd say steam ahead, but we didn't we need to mindful and work with the opposition.

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Postby Maryginia » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:10 am

Battlion wrote:If we won this election with a huge majority I'd say steam ahead, but we didn't we need to mindful and work with the opposition.

Are you referring to my post?
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Postby The Realm of God » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:10 am

Battlion wrote:If we won this election with a huge majority I'd say steam ahead, but we didn't we need to mindful and work with the opposition.


Nevermind the opposition we need to satisfy the demands of the various factions in the AfA.
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Postby Battlion » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:13 am

Maryginia wrote:
Battlion wrote:If we won this election with a huge majority I'd say steam ahead, but we didn't we need to mindful and work with the opposition.

Are you referring to my post?


Slightly yes, and RoG yes we do but everyone needs to realise we can still be blocked in the Senate... I have always said working with everyone is a good thing it means we can get solid agreements that nobody will want to reverse.

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