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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:28 pm

Let's not threadjack and get into a religious debate.

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Postby The Realm of God » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:29 pm

Bleckonia wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
That depends if he is Jewish or not.


It applies to Christians and Muslims as well.


It depends on who you ask and now as much as we all love discussing comparative theology perhaps we should get back to government.
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Postby Grand Longueville » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:29 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:Let's not threadjack and get into a religious debate.


Let thy mortal flesh keep its silence!
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:35 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
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:palm: synagogue.

Don't you have enough on tap?

Check my edited post :p. Before your post


You mean after I post :p .
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:38 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Let's not threadjack and get into a religious debate.


Let thy mortal flesh keep its silence!

Did you just tell me to shut up?

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:38 pm

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If he is not Jewish then there is no such thing as those 10 commandments.


And if one is not American there are no Bill of Rights? If one is not Catholic, Canon Law ceases to exist?

The Ten Commandments are still a reality, and an act can still be opposed to it; naturally the individual committing said act can choose to recognize the Commandment or not.


Depend who you are, I call them the greatest work of fiction ever written, so they are not part of my reality. Anyway moving on......
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:39 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
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Let thy mortal flesh keep its silence!

Did you just tell me to shut up?


Relax. It was a light hearted jab at you. No harm intended. That's the Chaplain's MO.
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Postby Maryginia » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:47 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
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If he is not Jewish then there is no such thing as those 10 commandments.


And if one is not American there are no Bill of Rights? If one is not Catholic, Canon Law ceases to exist?

The Ten Commandments are still a reality, and an act can still be opposed to it; naturally the individual committing said act can choose to recognize the Commandment or not.

For once I concur with you, Senator.
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Postby Grand Longueville » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:48 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
And if one is not American there are no Bill of Rights? If one is not Catholic, Canon Law ceases to exist?

The Ten Commandments are still a reality, and an act can still be opposed to it; naturally the individual committing said act can choose to recognize the Commandment or not.


Depend who you are, I call them the greatest work of fiction ever written, so they are not part of my reality. Anyway moving on......


No they are a reality regardless of their origins. They are a reality by virtue of their being established. And something is either in line or in opposition to them.
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Postby Grand Longueville » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:53 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
Let thy mortal flesh keep its silence!

Did you just tell me to shut up?


It was, as Distruzio clarified, a lighthearted jab. It is also a hymn "Let all mortal flesh keep silence".
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:54 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
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Depend who you are, I call them the greatest work of fiction ever written, so they are not part of my reality. Anyway moving on......


No they are a reality regardless of their origins. They are a reality by virtue of their being established. And something is either in line or in opposition to them.


Reality is subjective in this case, Thus depending on one's religious beliefs so changes their reality.
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Postby Grand Longueville » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:57 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
No they are a reality regardless of their origins. They are a reality by virtue of their being established. And something is either in line or in opposition to them.


Reality is subjective in this case, Thus depending on one's religious beliefs so changes their reality.


So they cease to exist because someone doesn't believe in their legitimacy? They still exist, and are thus real, regardless of one's own belief or disbelief.

Again, is Canon Law not real (even though it is recorded and published) because someone doesn't believe in their theological legitimacy?
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Postby Britanno » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:41 pm

I am saying this now because I have to. I will not be appointing Bleckonia as my Prime Minister. I do not trust him, I do not have faith in him. Instead, I will be going to the chamber to announce Wolf as my PM candidate.

The Final Cabinet

The Cabinet

President: Britanno (CPP)
VP: Regnum Dominae (LFP)
PM: Wolfmanne (PC)
DPM: Pagia (CFE)
Commerce: Maryginia (CMP)
Justice: New Zephua (CPP)
Interiors: Quendia (LFP)
Junior Interiors: Jetan (NCP)
National Gendarmerie: Kalmath (PC)
Defence: Hathraric Sates (NIFP)
Science, Research and Technology: Great Nepal (CFE)
Education: Diopolis (CMP)
Junior Education: Battlion (CPP)
Finance: Geedland (PC)
Health: Angleter (RefP)
Energy: The Zeonic States (NIFP)
Junior Energy: Regnum Dominae (LFP)
Culture and Sports: Grand Longueville (CMP)
Foreign Affairs: The Realm of God (PC)
Environment: Namor (NCP)
Transport: The State of Czecho-Slovakia (PC)
Without Portfolio: The Grand Republic of Hannover (CPP)
Infrastructure: Liberated Countries (CFE)
Veteran Affairs: Byzantium Imperial (NIFP)
Labour: Finium (PC)
International Development: Vedastia (LFP)
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:43 pm

Britanno wrote:I am saying this now because I have to. I will not be appointing Bleckonia as my Prime Minister. I do not trust him, I do not have faith in him. Instead, I will be going to the chamber to announce Wolf as my PM candidate.

The Final Cabinet

The Cabinet

President: Britanno (CPP)
VP: Regnum Dominae (LFP)
PM: Wolfmanne (PC)
DPM: Pagia (CFE)
Commerce: Maryginia (CMP)
Justice: New Zephua (CPP)
Interiors: Quendia (LFP)
Junior Interiors: Jetan (NCP)
National Gendarmerie: Kalmath (PC)
Defence: Hathraric Sates (NIFP)
Science, Research and Technology: Great Nepal (CFE)
Education: Diopolis (CMP)
Junior Education: Battlion (CPP)
Finance: Geedland (PC)
Health: Angleter (RefP)
Energy: The Zeonic States (NIFP)
Junior Energy: Regnum Dominae (LFP)
Culture and Sports: Grand Longueville (CMP)
Foreign Affairs: The Realm of God (PC)
Environment: Namor (NCP)
Transport: The State of Czecho-Slovakia (PC)
Without Portfolio: The Grand Republic of Hannover (CPP)
Infrastructure: Liberated Countries (CFE)
Veteran Affairs: Byzantium Imperial (NIFP)
Labour: Finium (PC)
International Development: Vedastia (LFP)

As much as I like Wolf, have you cleared this with Bleckonia because cabinet was part of coalition agreement and unilaterally altering it is not right.
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:43 pm

Britanno wrote:I am saying this now because I have to. I will not be appointing Bleckonia as my Prime Minister. I do not trust him, I do not have faith in him. Instead, I will be going to the chamber to announce Wolf as my PM candidate.


Do you find it wise to appoint the last president as your PM?

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Postby New Sapienta » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:44 pm

Britanno wrote:I am saying this now because I have to. I will not be appointing Bleckonia as my Prime Minister. I do not trust him, I do not have faith in him. Instead, I will be going to the chamber to announce Wolf as my PM candidate.

The Final Cabinet

The Cabinet

President: Britanno (CPP)
VP: Regnum Dominae (LFP)
PM: Wolfmanne (PC)
DPM: Pagia (CFE)
Commerce: Maryginia (CMP)
Justice: New Zephua (CPP)
Interiors: Quendia (LFP)
Junior Interiors: Jetan (NCP)
National Gendarmerie: Kalmath (PC)
Defence: Hathraric Sates (NIFP)
Science, Research and Technology: Great Nepal (CFE)
Education: Diopolis (CMP)
Junior Education: Battlion (CPP)
Finance: Geedland (PC)
Health: Angleter (RefP)
Energy: The Zeonic States (NIFP)
Junior Energy: Regnum Dominae (LFP)
Culture and Sports: Grand Longueville (CMP)
Foreign Affairs: The Realm of God (PC)
Environment: Namor (NCP)
Transport: The State of Czecho-Slovakia (PC)
Without Portfolio: The Grand Republic of Hannover (CPP)
Infrastructure: Liberated Countries (CFE)
Veteran Affairs: Byzantium Imperial (NIFP)
Labour: Finium (PC)
International Development: Vedastia (LFP)

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Postby Grand Longueville » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:46 pm

I urge the President-elect not to appoint Wolf, I fear that he may be too lenient with the opposition.
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:47 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:I urge the President-elect not to appoint Wolf, I fear that he may be too lenient with the opposition.

I second this.

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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:49 pm

Britanno, breaking coalition agreement means no party here will be required to support anything purposed by the government or even support government in prime ministerial elections. Please keep cabinet as is unless you have cleared it with person being affected.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:49 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:I urge the President-elect not to appoint Wolf, I fear that he may be too lenient with the opposition.

No, I'm co-operative, like any other Prime Minister elected in a fair and democratic society. Heck, some in the other coalition have stated they'd vote for me if I was running and seeing as the last election was too close, we need every vote we can get. However, I would suggest doing this through a democratic vote in the AfA.
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Postby Grand Longueville » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:50 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:I urge the President-elect not to appoint Wolf, I fear that he may be too lenient with the opposition.

No, I'm co-operative, like any other Prime Minister elected in a fair and democratic society. Heck, some in the other coalition have stated they'd vote for me if I was running and seeing as the last election was too close, we need every vote we can get. However, I would suggest doing this through a democratic vote in the AfA.


It ought to go to Bleckonia.
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Postby New Sapienta » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:50 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:No, I'm co-operative, like any other Prime Minister elected in a fair and democratic society. Heck, some in the other coalition have stated they'd vote for me if I was running and seeing as the last election was too close, we need every vote we can get. However, I would suggest doing this through a democratic vote in the AfA.


It ought to go to Bleckonia.

I second that Bleckonia should be nominated. Do not go back on your promise.

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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:51 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:I urge the President-elect not to appoint Wolf, I fear that he may be too lenient with the opposition.

No, I'm co-operative, like any other Prime Minister elected in a fair and democratic society. Heck, some in the other coalition have stated they'd vote for me if I was running and seeing as the last election was too close, we need every vote we can get. However, I would suggest doing this through a democratic vote in the AfA.

Are you going to be AfA's prime minister or prime minister of some weird AfA-Progress merge? We didn't have to get votes in presidency if it is the latter.
Furthermore, as for it being close, that is irrelevant. We hold larger share of vote than progress coalition did in last elections and we won in first round. We dont need their vote, at all.

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It ought to go to Bleckonia.

I second that Bleckonia should be nominated. Do not go back on your promise.

Third.
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:54 pm

Great Nepal wrote:Third.

Fourth.

And if Wolf is appointed PM, expect no support from the NIFP.

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Postby Britanno » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:54 pm

People, I don't think you understand:

Bleckonia would not make a good PM. I have seen very little of him and he has done next to nothing to help this coalition. I don't trust him, and he would never get elected. If I tried to appoint him, the entire Porgress Coalition would vote against it along with me. Yes, some may see it as betrayal, but it is necessary. For the sake of Aurentina, Wolf will be my ideal Prime Minister.
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