Coalition Talks [NSG Senate: Closed to those not invited]

[Of the Quendi]

Official Party Communiqué

Chairmen and Party leaders of the Liberal Democrats, Progressive Conservatives, National Centre Party, Coalition for Enterprise and Reform Party,

With elections for the Council of Ministers coming up, and with the extreme left wing of the Senate growing stronger, as shown by the scary near passage of the WEA, the Libertarian Freedom Party believes that it is time for the foundation of a strong coalition of Moderates to counter to growing influence of radicals on the left (and right) and to that end hereby invites the leaders of the Liberal Democrats, Progressive Conservatives, National Centre Party, Coalition for Enterprise and Reform Party to discuss the possibility of putting aside their differences and work together for a Better Future for all.

Sincerely yours,

Roman A. Devereaux
Chairman of the Libertarian Freedom Party

[Great Nepal]

Tag (and yes Coalition for Enterprise will be part of the talks, maybe we should do talks in IRC?)

[The Nihilistic view]

No room for us?

[Trotskylvania]

Moderates?

Please, don't make me laugh. The CFE and the LFP are not moderates in any sense of the word. Don't form a coalition on false pretenses, and don't expect us to buy it.

[Great Nepal]

Moderates?

Please, don't make me laugh. The CFE and the LFP are not moderates in any sense of the word. Don't form a coalition on false pretenses, and don't expect us to buy it.

We never attempted to turn this nation into communist hellhole like you attempted to do with WEA, senator so compared to your party we are indeed very moderates.

[Trotskylvania]

Moderates?

Please, don't make me laugh. The CFE and the LFP are not moderates in any sense of the word. Don't form a coalition on false pretenses, and don't expect us to buy it.

We never attempted to turn this nation into communist hellhole like you attempted to do with WEA, senator so compared to your party we are indeed very moderates.

No, you are right-wing extremists. Own up to it.

[Great Nepal]

We never attempted to turn this nation into communist hellhole like you attempted to do with WEA, senator so compared to your party we are indeed very moderates.

No, you are right-wing extremists. Own up to it.

Come back when we purpose a capitalist equivalent to your WEA.

[Free South Califas]

Senator Osea acknowledged flaws of the WEA and worked hard on a replacement, the EDA. All we've done is put our views forward as we were elected to do. I'm not sure what people in the Progress Coalition expected when they formed a government with Communists. I can't believe the way people talk about us while they stab us in the back. This has certainly been an educational experience.

Moderates?

Please, don't make me laugh. The CFE and the LFP are not moderates in any sense of the word. Don't form a coalition on false pretenses, and don't expect us to buy it.

We never attempted to turn this nation into communist hellhole like you attempted to do with WEA, senator so compared to your party we are indeed very moderates.

I'm getting really sick of this slander, Senator. We advance our position just like every other party. The platform is explicitly democratic, and the party is made up (AFAICT) exclusively of Democratic and Libertarian Communists, because the USLP is far more appealing to Authoritarians. If you don't like something the CP says, vote against it.

That being said, it makes sense for non coalition members to try to split up the Progress Coalition. I get that. It's the coalition members I'm disappointed in.

ETA: Also, the Statue of Liberty? In Aurentina? Really? If Communists made such overt appeals to foreign governments (though that seems more like a USLP thing), I suspect some of you would be howling about how it's a plot to impose foreign forms of governance on Aurentina.

[Wolfmanne]

Senator Osea acknowledged flaws of the WEA and worked hard on a replacement, the EDA. All we've done is put our views forward as we were elected to do. I'm not sure what people in the Progress Coalition expected when they formed a government with Communists. I can't believe the way people talk about us while they stab us in the back. This has certainly been an educational experience.

We never attempted to turn this nation into communist hellhole like you attempted to do with WEA, senator so compared to your party we are indeed very moderates.

I'm getting really sick of this slander, Senator. We advance our position just like every other party. The platform is explicitly democratic, and the party is made up (AFAICT) exclusively of Democratic and Libertarian Communists, because the USLP is far more appealing to Authoritarians. If you don't like something the CP says, vote against it.

That being said, it makes sense for non coalition members to try to split up the Progress Coalition. I get that. It's the coalition members I'm disappointed in.

ETA: Also, the Statue of Liberty? In Aurentina? Really? If Communists made such overt appeals to foreign governments (though that seems more like a USLP thing), I suspect some of you would be howling about how it's a plot to impose foreign forms of governance on Aurentina.

You know, that's a difference between a fox and a wolf. A wolf will chew you up. A fox on the other hand will smile as it eats you. That's very much what the Reds did. They betray the Moderates then make some excuses up; these excuses are the Communist Fox's smile.

[Sahrani DR]

Senator Osea acknowledged flaws of the WEA and worked hard on a replacement, the EDA. All we've done is put our views forward as we were elected to do. I'm not sure what people in the Progress Coalition expected when they formed a government with Communists. I can't believe the way people talk about us while they stab us in the back. This has certainly been an educational experience.


I'm getting really sick of this slander, Senator. We advance our position just like every other party. The platform is explicitly democratic, and the party is made up (AFAICT) exclusively of Democratic and Libertarian Communists, because the USLP is far more appealing to Authoritarians. If you don't like something the CP says, vote against it.

That being said, it makes sense for non coalition members to try to split up the Progress Coalition. I get that. It's the coalition members I'm disappointed in.

ETA: Also, the Statue of Liberty? In Aurentina? Really? If Communists made such overt appeals to foreign governments (though that seems more like a USLP thing), I suspect some of you would be howling about how it's a plot to impose foreign forms of governance on Aurentina.

You know, that's a difference between a fox and a wolf. A wolf will chew you up. A fox on the other hand will smile as it eats you. That's very much what the Reds did. They betray the Moderates then make some excuses up; these excuses are the Communist Fox's smile.

What nonsense are you blabbering about?
Also, the attitude you show towards us is intolerable. I know that you despise us, it's quite mutual.
But how about stopping the name calling?

[The Nihilistic view]

Senator Osea acknowledged flaws of the WEA and worked hard on a replacement, the EDA. All we've done is put our views forward as we were elected to do. I'm not sure what people in the Progress Coalition expected when they formed a government with Communists. I can't believe the way people talk about us while they stab us in the back. This has certainly been an educational experience.

We never attempted to turn this nation into communist hellhole like you attempted to do with WEA, senator so compared to your party we are indeed very moderates.

I'm getting really sick of this slander, Senator. We advance our position just like every other party. The platform is explicitly democratic, and the party is made up (AFAICT) exclusively of Democratic and Libertarian Communists, because the USLP is far more appealing to Authoritarians. If you don't like something the CP says, vote against it.

That being said, it makes sense for non coalition members to try to split up the Progress Coalition. I get that. It's the coalition members I'm disappointed in.

ETA: Also, the Statue of Liberty? In Aurentina? Really? If Communists made such overt appeals to foreign governments (though that seems more like a USLP thing), I suspect some of you would be howling about how it's a plot to impose foreign forms of governance on Aurentina.

In case it has escaped your notice the EDA is basically the same bill dressed up in a tux.

[Quirina]

Here comes the people who will pull these right-winged felonies back to the CENTER itself, The National Centre Party. I'll call some of my officers to be present in this meeting to convene with you guys. Cheers!

[Costa Alegria]

I intend on holding a vote of no-confidence against the President.

[Geilinor]

You want us to join a center-right coalition? Let's just say I'm not sure if the Liberal Democrats have any business being in this coalition. We'd be the most liberal party here.

[Free South Califas]

Senator Osea acknowledged flaws of the WEA and worked hard on a replacement, the EDA. All we've done is put our views forward as we were elected to do. I'm not sure what people in the Progress Coalition expected when they formed a government with Communists. I can't believe the way people talk about us while they stab us in the back. This has certainly been an educational experience.


I'm getting really sick of this slander, Senator. We advance our position just like every other party. The platform is explicitly democratic, and the party is made up (AFAICT) exclusively of Democratic and Libertarian Communists, because the USLP is far more appealing to Authoritarians. If you don't like something the CP says, vote against it.

That being said, it makes sense for non coalition members to try to split up the Progress Coalition. I get that. It's the coalition members I'm disappointed in.

ETA: Also, the Statue of Liberty? In Aurentina? Really? If Communists made such overt appeals to foreign governments (though that seems more like a USLP thing), I suspect some of you would be howling about how it's a plot to impose foreign forms of governance on Aurentina.

You know, that's a difference between a fox and a wolf. A wolf will chew you up. A fox on the other hand will smile as it eats you. That's very much what the Reds did. They betray the Moderates then make some excuses up; these excuses are the Communist Fox's smile.

By "betray" I guess you mean "propose Communist bills", and by "make excuses up" I guess you mean "pretend we're allowed to propose things"? I could have sworn that was the point of joining government.

Senator Osea acknowledged flaws of the WEA and worked hard on a replacement, the EDA. All we've done is put our views forward as we were elected to do. I'm not sure what people in the Progress Coalition expected when they formed a government with Communists. I can't believe the way people talk about us while they stab us in the back. This has certainly been an educational experience.


I'm getting really sick of this slander, Senator. We advance our position just like every other party. The platform is explicitly democratic, and the party is made up (AFAICT) exclusively of Democratic and Libertarian Communists, because the USLP is far more appealing to Authoritarians. If you don't like something the CP says, vote against it.

That being said, it makes sense for non coalition members to try to split up the Progress Coalition. I get that. It's the coalition members I'm disappointed in.

ETA: Also, the Statue of Liberty? In Aurentina? Really? If Communists made such overt appeals to foreign governments (though that seems more like a USLP thing), I suspect some of you would be howling about how it's a plot to impose foreign forms of governance on Aurentina.

In case it has escaped your notice the EDA is basically the same bill dressed up in a tux.

I'm a co-author. It's quite different in its details. If you're worried about it, you really have problems in your company.

People are not non-human animals, by the way, Senator, and I'd appreciate if that shit stops right now in my case.

[The Nihilistic view]

You know, that's a difference between a fox and a wolf. A wolf will chew you up. A fox on the other hand will smile as it eats you. That's very much what the Reds did. They betray the Moderates then make some excuses up; these excuses are the Communist Fox's smile.

By "betray" I guess you mean "propose Communist bills", and by "make excuses up" I guess you mean "pretend we're allowed to propose things"? I could have sworn that was the point of joining government.

In case it has escaped your notice the EDA is basically the same bill dressed up in a tux.

I'm a co-author. It's quite different in its details. If you're worried about it, you really have problems in your company.

People are not non-human animals, by the way, Senator, and I'd appreciate if that shit stops right now in my case.

Your part fox?

It is a bill that allows the same thing to happen, stop pretending its not, we can see right through it.

[Geilinor]

The Liberal Democrats barely joined the Progress Coalition, so we'll take the cautious route again. The Progress Coalition still has the Totally Rad Party, which the LDP is ideologically similar to.

[Geilinor]

By "betray" I guess you mean "propose Communist bills", and by "make excuses up" I guess you mean "pretend we're allowed to propose things"? I could have sworn that was the point of joining government.


I'm a co-author. It's quite different in its details. If you're worried about it, you really have problems in your company.

People are not non-human animals, by the way, Senator, and I'd appreciate if that shit stops right now in my case.

Your part fox?

It is a bill that allows the same thing to happen, stop pretending its not, we can see right through it.

Certainly we won't be joining until the "fox" nickname stops.

[Costa Alegria]

Certainly we won't be joining until the "fox" nickname stops.

Which will be soon. There is a motion in the chamber to impeach the President.

[Regnum Dominae]

Please ignore Nihilistic View. He is not even a part of any of the parties who would be represented in the coalition.

[Inyourfaceistan]

We never attempted to turn this nation into communist hellhole like you attempted to do with WEA, senator so compared to your party we are indeed very moderates.

No, you are right-wing extremists. Own up to it.

I am a right-wing extremist. Proud of it.

[Living Freedom Land]

ETA: Also, the Statue of Liberty? In Aurentina? Really? If Communists made such overt appeals to foreign governments (though that seems more like a USLP thing), I suspect some of you would be howling about how it's a plot to impose foreign forms of governance on Aurentina.

Libertas is the Roman goddess embodying liberty, a symbol that isn't just American. She is a symbol for the whole world over, for all peoples that value freedom over despotism and servitude.

[Regnum Dominae]

No, you are right-wing extremists. Own up to it.

I am a right-wing extremist. Proud of it.

Yeah, and the coalition won't be including your party for that very reason.

[Great Nepal]

The Liberal Democrats barely joined the Progress Coalition, so we'll take the cautious route again. The Progress Coalition still has the Totally Rad Party, which the LDP is ideologically similar to.

I completely understand and respect your cautious approach, senator however I am confident that the coalition agreement can and will be acceptable to you as I have personally negotiated with representative of progressive conservatives, and we have found lot of common and middle grounds. I am confident we can reach common ground with Liberal Democrat party.

It is in our mutual interests to keep communists away from power and keep bills like WEA from passing. Please, I urge you to give this a shot and list your requirements to join the coalition and I am sure we can come to mutually agreeable agreement.

Here's agreement that was reached between CFE (and most likely UFP) and Progressive Conservative. I think this should be basis of the coalition agreement, here's copy of the agreement that was reached.

- Universal Credit system
- Universal Healthcare wont be repealed if passed.
- Mandatory Open shop
- In order to strike, a secret ballot must be conducted with all union members informed and a simple majority is required at minimum.
- Banned Secondary strikes.
- No direct action.
- Strike Breakers allowed.
- No bossnapping or lock ins.
- Anything that would normally be illegal should be illegal even in case of strike.
- Worker would receive unemployment benefits and the employer may not hire permanent replacements in case of lock outs.
- Large scale Nuclear fission
- Collaboration with ITER
- Meet European emission standards 2050 by 2045
- 70%, 30% renewable (10% wind, 10% biomass, 10% mix) by 2045
- Tax breaks to companies pursuing nuclear and biomass research.
- Tax breaks for investment into nuclear and biomass research
- Public institutes and universities should be encouraged to seek private investors for their research and link with private companies
- Independent commission to determine the fairness of pricing on utilities.
- Free vote on taxation.
- Buses, Ferries, Underground trains, trams and boats prices are set by independent agency who can be told by local authority but can set prices unless it contradicts local authority.
- Join European Free Trade Association and the Council of Europe.
- Join UN and its thingies.
- No to EU.
- Support current justice bill (Wolf's)
- Join International Criminal Court.
- Have Switzerland EU relation with EU
- Join most of international organisations.
- Ministry of justice goes to Progressive Conservatives.
- Ministry of Research goes to us.

[Of the Quendi]

Tag (and yes Coalition for Enterprise will be part of the talks, maybe we should do talks in IRC?)

We could do that if people prefer to do it that way.

You want us to join a center-right coalition? Let's just say I'm not sure if the Liberal Democrats have any business being in this coalition. We'd be the most liberal party here.

Then how would that be any different from being in the Progress Coalition? And is it really that unexpected that the Liberal Democrats would be the most liberal party in any coalition they join?

Well that is of course up to you to decide what you want your party to be and so far this thread is for discussions about the possibility of a coalition.

The Liberal Democrats barely joined the Progress Coalition, so we'll take the cautious route again. The Progress Coalition still has the Totally Rad Party, which the LDP is ideologically similar to.

I completely understand and respect your cautious approach, senator however I am confident that the coalition agreement can and will be acceptable to you as I have personally negotiated with representative of progressive conservatives, and we have found lot of common and middle grounds. I am confident we can reach common ground with Liberal Democrat party.

It is in our mutual interests to keep communists away from power and keep bills like WEA from passing. Please, I urge you to give this a shot and list your requirements to join the coalition and I am sure we can come to mutually agreeable agreement.

Here's agreement that was reached between CFE (and most likely UFP) and Progressive Conservative. I think this should be basis of the coalition agreement, here's copy of the agreement that was reached.

- Universal Credit system
- Universal Healthcare wont be repealed if passed.
- Mandatory Open shop
- In order to strike, a secret ballot must be conducted with all union members informed and a simple majority is required at minimum.
- Banned Secondary strikes.
- No direct action.
- Strike Breakers allowed.
- No bossnapping or lock ins.
- Anything that would normally be illegal should be illegal even in case of strike.
- Worker would receive unemployment benefits and the employer may not hire permanent replacements in case of lock outs.
- Large scale Nuclear fission
- Collaboration with ITER
- Meet European emission standards 2050 by 2045
- 70%, 30% renewable (10% wind, 10% biomass, 10% mix) by 2045
- Tax breaks to companies pursuing nuclear and biomass research.
- Tax breaks for investment into nuclear and biomass research
- Public institutes and universities should be encouraged to seek private investors for their research and link with private companies
- Independent commission to determine the fairness of pricing on utilities.
- Free vote on taxation.
- Buses, Ferries, Underground trains, trams and boats prices are set by independent agency who can be told by local authority but can set prices unless it contradicts local authority.
- Join European Free Trade Association and the Council of Europe.
- Join UN and its thingies.
- No to EU.
- Support current justice bill (Wolf's)
- Join International Criminal Court.
- Have Switzerland EU relation with EU
- Join most of international organisations.
- Ministry of justice goes to Progressive Conservatives.
- Ministry of Research goes to us.

Seems like a sensible and moderate agreement, and a good basis for further discussions.