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[Mediciano]

Yes, and as it changes, it slowly evolves to support more and more the ruling class of the time, whether it be the monarchs or the capitalists.

When has this been the case, Senator?

He attributes class struggle to God and the Bible, ignorant of the fact that such conflicts are man's doing.

[Jetan]

When has this been the case, Senator?

He attributes class struggle to God and the Bible, ignorant of the fact that such conflicts are man's doing.

Just like god and bible.

[CTALNH]

What, killing thousands of people over land that is supposedly holy? Not criminal at all.

I'm not quite sure that is what occurred, sir. Indeed, the Crusades were embarked for the defense of Christians going on pilgrimage to these Holy Lands. I find no fault in the crusader spirit and the defense of Christendom is quite admirable.

How about you.....

Why the fuck did they shack Constantinople then?

It was a christian capital.


Or burning people because that did not conform to the catholic church?

[Mediciano]

Just like god and bible.

You say that to provoke, as it proves no point. In fact, you are agreeing with me in your own contentious way. Regardless, it is irrelevant to the topic at hand. We are discussing the role of religion in history, and whether its effects have been good or bad, and what the effects may be in the future. If you would like to cease the combative rhetoric and join our conversation, then I invite you to do so.

[Mediciano]

How about you.....

Why the fuck did they shack Constantinople then?

It was a christian capital.


Or burning people because that did not conform to the catholic church?

I don't remember God walking down and sacking the city or burning the "heretics," do you? What is done in His name is not done by Him. Blame the people, if that makes you feel better, but remember that it is not the religion committing these acts, it's a select group of the followers.

The execution of non-conformists was a particular favorite of a certain Socialist, if I remember correctly? Stalin killed political rivals, Washington killed the Tories and Hitler killed the gypsies. None of these were fueled by religion. The common denominator is humanity, not God.

[CTALNH]

How about you.....

Why the fuck did they shack Constantinople then?

It was a christian capital.


Or burning people because that did not conform to the catholic church?

I don't remember God walking down and sacking the city or burning the "heretics," do you? What is done in His name is not done by Him. Blame the people, if that makes you feel better, but remember that it is not the religion committing these acts, it's a select group of the followers.

The execution of non-conformists was a particular favorite of a certain Socialist, if I remember correctly? Stalin killed political rivals, Washington killed the Tories and Hitler killed the gypsies. None of these were fueled by religion. The common denominator is humanity, not God.

Really?
Do you have a fucking idea how many people the jews killed in the name of your god?

[Jetan]

Just like god and bible.

You say that to provoke, as it proves no point. In fact, you are agreeing with me in your own contentious way. Regardless, it is irrelevant to the topic at hand. We are discussing the role of religion in history, and whether its effects have been good or bad, and what the effects may be in the future. If you would like to cease the combative rhetoric and join our conversation, then I invite you to do so.

I'm not saying that to provoke, and I do agree with you that they are man's doing. The reasons we both came to this conclusion are simply different.

[Mediciano]

Really?
Do you have a fucking idea how many people the jews killed in the name of your god?

I can tell that you are a zealot. For what, I do not know. But there is no use arguing with you, as you are unwilling to accept anything other than your own opinion.

I'm not saying that to provoke, and I do agree with you that they are man's doing. The reasona we both came to this conclusion are simply different.

Ah. Then we both understand each other. Very well, I agree that we both reached the same conclusion by different routes.

[CTALNH]

Really?
Do you have a fucking idea how many people the jews killed in the name of your god?

I can tell that you are a zealot. For what, I do not know. But there is no use arguing with you, as you are unwilling to accept anything other than your own opinion.

I'm not saying that to provoke, and I do agree with you that they are man's doing. The reasona we both came to this conclusion are simply different.

Ah. Then we both understand each other. Very well, I agree that we both reached the same conclusion by different routes.

Indeed because god doesn't exist and teaching of the church are horseshit at making people good.

[Grand Longueville]

I'm not quite sure that is what occurred, sir. Indeed, the Crusades were embarked for the defense of Christians going on pilgrimage to these Holy Lands. I find no fault in the crusader spirit and the defense of Christendom is quite admirable.

How about you.....

Why the fuck did they shack Constantinople then?

It was a christian capital.


Or burning people because that did not conform to the catholic church?

Firstly, my good man, you need to learn how to express yourself in a manner more fitting for your status. Why are you so angry, brother?

I, naturally, condemn to sacking of Constantinople; as did the Church.

Furthermore, can you give me an instance where people were burned for not conforming to the Catholic Church?

[Grand Longueville]

I don't remember God walking down and sacking the city or burning the "heretics," do you? What is done in His name is not done by Him. Blame the people, if that makes you feel better, but remember that it is not the religion committing these acts, it's a select group of the followers.

The execution of non-conformists was a particular favorite of a certain Socialist, if I remember correctly? Stalin killed political rivals, Washington killed the Tories and Hitler killed the gypsies. None of these were fueled by religion. The common denominator is humanity, not God.

Really?
Do you have a fucking idea how many people the jews killed in the name of your god?

I do not pretend to know, or care, for what the Jews do or did.

[Kouralia]

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Furthermore, can you give me an instance where people were burned for not conforming to the Catholic Church?

I think Bloody Mary was fond of it.

[CTALNH]

How about you.....

Why the fuck did they shack Constantinople then?

It was a christian capital.


Or burning people because that did not conform to the catholic church?

Firstly, my good man, you need to learn how to express yourself in a manner more fitting for your status. Why are you so angry, brother?

I, naturally, condemn to sacking of Constantinople; as did the Church.

Furthermore, can you give me an instance where people were burned for not conforming to the Catholic Church?

Really never heard of newton who almost gut burned?

[Potenco]

viewtopic.php?p=14959489#p14959489

OK guys im open for questions (OK and hes now permanently a Roman Catholic Priest)

[Valentir]

William Black - Totally Rad Party

Account Name: Valentir
Occupation: Senator of the Totally Rad Party
Party Position(s): Member
Positions in Government: N/A
Constituency: N.A
Political Ideology: Social Liberalism and Market Socialist
Family: N/A (All dead)
Background: Upper Class, Anglo-Russian, Political Columnist, Owns 10% of the Domestic Mining Industry
Faith: Agnostic
Likes: Democracy, LGBT Rights, Animal rights, Market Socialism, Humanitarian Intervention, Social Liberalism, Abortion on Demand, Freedom of and from Religion, Universal Healthcare, Space Exploration, Free Trade, Freedom of Thought, Seizing the means of production
Dislikes: Radical Liberalism, Radical Conservatism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, Discrimination, Imperialism, Anarchy, Autocracy, Homophobia, Religious Fundamentalism, Laissez-faire Capitalism, Animal Cruelty, Racism
Any Questions from the Public to be answered? No

[Rhodesi]

Hal Urquhart - Senator

Account Name: Rhodesi
Occupation: Independent Senator
Party Position(s): N/A
Positions in Government: N/A
Constituency: N/A
Political Ideology: Conservative, traditionalist
Family: Wife: Daisy Urquhart, Children: Ian Urquhart, Charles Urquhart, Sarah Urquhart, Alan Urquhart
Background: Born into a well to do upper-middle class family, Urquhart was an officer in the military for some time, until he went into business, before eventually becoming an Independent Senator. English.
Faith: Catholic
Likes: Capitalism, Social Conservatism, Colonialism, Monarchism and the Military.
Dislikes: Communism, Anarchism, Liberalism, Fascism.
Any Questions from the Public to be answered?: No

[Oneracon]

Any Questions from the Public to be answered?: No[/box]

Shouldn't that say "You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment"?

[The Nihilistic view]

How about you.....

Why the fuck did they shack Constantinople then?

It was a christian capital.


Or burning people because that did not conform to the catholic church?

Furthermore, can you give me an instance where people were burned for not conforming to the Catholic Church?

Please tell me you are joking!!

[Unicario]

Furthermore, can you give me an instance where people were burned for not conforming to the Catholic Church?

Please tell me you are joking!!

The Senator doesn't expect the Spanish Inquisition to be such a violent and barbaric system.

"The first auto-da-fé was held in Seville on February 6, 1481: six people were burned alive. "
"The court employed physical torture to extract confessions. Crypto-Jews were allowed to confess and do penance, although those who relapsed were burned at the stake.[10]"
" In 1691, during a number of autos-da-fé in Majorca, 36 chuetas, or conversos of Majorca, were burned."
"...and it is estimated that a dozen Spaniards were burned alive.[39]"
"During the auto-da-fé that took place in Logroño on November 7 and November 8, 1610, 6 people were burned and another 5 burned in effigy.[42]"
"...The first sodomite was burned by the Inquisition in Valencia in 1572"

[Ainin]

Furthermore, can you give me an instance where people were burned for not conforming to the Catholic Church?

More than one. Several thousands, or maybe millions.

[The Nihilistic view]

Please tell me you are joking!!

The Senator doesn't expect the Spanish Inquisition to be such a violent and barbaric system.

"The first auto-da-fé was held in Seville on February 6, 1481: six people were burned alive. "
"The court employed physical torture to extract confessions. Crypto-Jews were allowed to confess and do penance, although those who relapsed were burned at the stake.[10]"
" In 1691, during a number of autos-da-fé in Majorca, 36 chuetas, or conversos of Majorca, were burned."
"...and it is estimated that a dozen Spaniards were burned alive.[39]"
"During the auto-da-fé that took place in Logroño on November 7 and November 8, 1610, 6 people were burned and another 5 burned in effigy.[42]"
"...The first sodomite was burned by the Inquisition in Valencia in 1572"

I know it happened all over Europe I was referring to him supposedly being a religious man yet he seems to know nothing of his religions history.

[Mediciano]

The Senator doesn't expect the Spanish Inquisition to be such a violent and barbaric system.

"The first auto-da-fé was held in Seville on February 6, 1481: six people were burned alive. "
"The court employed physical torture to extract confessions. Crypto-Jews were allowed to confess and do penance, although those who relapsed were burned at the stake.[10]"
" In 1691, during a number of autos-da-fé in Majorca, 36 chuetas, or conversos of Majorca, were burned."
"...and it is estimated that a dozen Spaniards were burned alive.[39]"
"During the auto-da-fé that took place in Logroño on November 7 and November 8, 1610, 6 people were burned and another 5 burned in effigy.[42]"
"...The first sodomite was burned by the Inquisition in Valencia in 1572"

I know it happened all over Europe I was referring to him supposedly being a religious man yet he seems to know nothing of his religions history.

That is not the history of the religion, that is the history of the World. I believe atheists (namely the Nazis) have killed on larger scales for worse reasons. Yes, religion was used as an excuse for many leaders to exert their influence or commit heinous acts, but it is not the religion that did it, it's the men. Blame the human, spare the deity.

[Yanalia]

I know it happened all over Europe I was referring to him supposedly being a religious man yet he seems to know nothing of his religions history.

That is not the history of the religion, that is the history of the World. I believe atheists (namely the Nazis) have killed on larger scales for worse reasons. Yes, religion was used as an excuse for many leaders to exert their influence or commit heinous acts, but it is not the religion that did it, it's the men. Blame the human, spare the deity.

The NSDAP was not atheist.

[Oneracon]

(OOC + Not A Mod: I know this is the "NSG" Senate... but this is verging very close to a General debate and should be taken there if it will be continuing like this)

[Yanalia]

(OOC + Not A Mod: I know this is the "NSG" Senate... but this is verging very close to a General debate and should be taken there if it will be continuing like this)

I agree. Questions should not be asked with the intention of starting a debate here.