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[CTALNH]

No. Instead of supporting a religion that has often engaged in criminal activity and continue to oppress the minds of the working class these people should abandon religion and instead focus their efforts on future and current irreligious organisations.

Do forgive me for interrupting, what religion are you talking about, Senator?

All of them.

[Grand Longueville]

Do forgive me for interrupting, what religion are you talking about, Senator?

All of them.

I see. And what criminal activity, pray tell, has the Catholic Church engaged in? Please note that I said the Church, Senator, not a set few individuals, but the Church as an institution.

[Kamchastkia]

All of them.

I see. And what criminal activity, pray tell, has the Catholic Church engaged in? Please note that I said the Church, Senator, not a set few individuals, but the Church as an institution.

I guess you just don't read what's inside the book you preach?

[Mishmahig]

I see. And what criminal activity, pray tell, has the Catholic Church engaged in? Please note that I said the Church, Senator, not a set few individuals, but the Church as an institution.

I guess you just don't read what's inside the book you preach?

We could start with the collective Crusades, I guess.

[Kamchastkia]

I guess you just don't read what's inside the book you preach?

We could start with the collective Crusades, I guess.

You could start off with the criminal things religious texts say is law, then move on to what people have done on behalf of the institution or religion as a whole.

[Grand Longueville]

I see. And what criminal activity, pray tell, has the Catholic Church engaged in? Please note that I said the Church, Senator, not a set few individuals, but the Church as an institution.

I guess you just don't read what's inside the book you preach?

Now, Senator, I asked for clarification, not further ambiguity.

[Grand Longueville]

I guess you just don't read what's inside the book you preach?

We could start with the collective Crusades, I guess.

These were not criminal. Perhaps imprudent, perhaps even unGodly, but certainly not criminal.

[Mishmahig]

We could start with the collective Crusades, I guess.

These were not criminal. Perhaps imprudent, perhaps even unGodly, but certainly not criminal.

What, killing thousands of people over land that is supposedly holy? Not criminal at all.

[Grand Longueville]

We could start with the collective Crusades, I guess.

You could start off with the criminal things religious texts say is law, then move on to what people have done on behalf of the institution or religion as a whole.

Not so. What an individual does as a result of believing to be acting on behalf of Holy Mother Church is not the fault of Holy Mother Church but of the individual in question. Of course, there are many more circumstances that come into play.

[Grand Longueville]

These were not criminal. Perhaps imprudent, perhaps even unGodly, but certainly not criminal.

What, killing thousands of people over land that is supposedly holy? Not criminal at all.

I'm not quite sure that is what occurred, sir. Indeed, the Crusades were embarked for the defense of Christians going on pilgrimage to these Holy Lands. I find no fault in the crusader spirit and the defense of Christendom is quite admirable.

[Kamchastkia]

We could start with the collective Crusades, I guess.

These were not criminal. Perhaps imprudent, perhaps even unGodly, but certainly not criminal.

Wars of aggression, slaughter, over a thousand year old falsified book? NOT criminal? Are you insane?

[Grand Longueville]

These were not criminal. Perhaps imprudent, perhaps even unGodly, but certainly not criminal.

Wars of aggression, slaughter, over a thousand year old falsified book? NOT criminal? Are you insane?

Stop the ad hominem's post haste, Senator. This type of discussion is most unbecoming of an individual called to higher repute.

Now, I do not accept that the Crusade was a war of aggression. Furthermore, I don't see the correlation between the Crusades and the Holy Bible; assuming you mean the Holy Bible. Likewise, I don't recognize the Bible as something inherently false.

[Kamchastkia]

Wars of aggression, slaughter, over a thousand year old falsified book? NOT criminal? Are you insane?

Stop the ad hominem's post haste, Senator. This type of discussion is most unbecoming of an individual called to higher repute.

Now, I do not accept that the Crusade was a war of aggression. Furthermore, I don't see the correlation between the Crusades and the Holy Bible; assuming you mean the Holy Bible. Likewise, I don't recognize the Bible as something inherently false.

Then you sir, accept a book that has been constantly modified to meet the need of the ruling class at that time. Congratulations.

[Living Freedom Land]

Where have all the moderates gone?
Long time passing.
Where have all the moderates gone?
Long time ago.
Where have all the moderates gone?
Killed by crusaders and Stalinists, every one.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

[Mediciano]

Senators, surely you're not suggesting that at some point immorality has crossed paths with spirituality? *shock, awe*

In all seriousness, the struggle to overcome our previous wrongdoings and move towards a better future is one of the main tenets of all religions. It was the reason Christ died, it is the reason for Punarjanma in the Hindu religion, with the hope that each consecutive life, or generation, will get better.

Our understanding of this deeper meaning is not ignorance, it is the man who takes the words at face value who fails to see the truth.

[Grand Longueville]

Stop the ad hominem's post haste, Senator. This type of discussion is most unbecoming of an individual called to higher repute.

Now, I do not accept that the Crusade was a war of aggression. Furthermore, I don't see the correlation between the Crusades and the Holy Bible; assuming you mean the Holy Bible. Likewise, I don't recognize the Bible as something inherently false.

Then you sir, accept a book that has been constantly modified to meet the need of the ruling class at that time. Congratulations.

Again, Senator, when will the ambiguities cease?

I don't think the Bible has been in favor of the ruling classes for some time.

[Kamchastkia]

Where have all the moderates gone?
Long time passing.
Where have all the moderates gone?
Long time ago.
Where have all the moderates gone?
Killed by crusaders and Stalinists, every one.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

I killed moderates? Are you accusing me of murder?

[Maklohi Vai]

Then you sir, accept a book that has been constantly modified to meet the need of the ruling class at that time. Congratulations.

Again, Senator, when will the ambiguities cease?

I don't think the Bible has been in favor of the ruling classes for some time.

That suggests that it was at some point. Are you saying that it changes?

[Grand Longueville]

Senators, surely you're not suggesting that at some point immorality has crossed paths with spirituality? *shock, awe*

In all seriousness, the struggle to overcome our previous wrongdoings and move towards a better future is one of the main tenets of all religions. It was the reason Christ died, it is the reason for Punarjanma in the Hindu religion, with the hope that each consecutive life, or generation, will get better.

Our understanding of this deeper meaning is not ignorance, it is the man who takes the words at face value who fails to see the truth.

Thank you, Senator Rothschild, for being a voice of reason as I am sure you normally are.

[Grand Longueville]

Again, Senator, when will the ambiguities cease?

I don't think the Bible has been in favor of the ruling classes for some time.

That suggests that it was at some point. Are you saying that it changes?

No, I am saying that the ruling classes change.

[Living Freedom Land]

Where have all the moderates gone?
Long time passing.
Where have all the moderates gone?
Long time ago.
Where have all the moderates gone?
Killed by crusaders and Stalinists, every one.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

I killed moderates? Are you accusing me of murder?

Nope, it's a parody of a well known popular song from the 60s. I apologize for any confusion.

[Mediciano]

Again, Senator, when will the ambiguities cease?

I don't think the Bible has been in favor of the ruling classes for some time.

That suggests that it was at some point. Are you saying that it changes?

The bible changes constantly. Whether literally, through new translations and versions, or in interpretation, with the zeitgeist of a generation.

[Kamchastkia]

That suggests that it was at some point. Are you saying that it changes?

The bible changes constantly. Whether literally, through new translations and versions, or in meaning, through changes in the zeitgeist of a generation.

Yes, and as it changes, it slowly evolves to support more and more the ruling class of the time, whether it be the monarchs or the capitalists.

[Grand Longueville]

The bible changes constantly. Whether literally, through new translations and versions, or in meaning, through changes in the zeitgeist of a generation.

Yes, and as it changes, it slowly evolves to support more and more the ruling class of the time, whether it be the monarchs or the capitalists.

When has this been the case, Senator?

[Living Freedom Land]

The bible changes constantly. Whether literally, through new translations and versions, or in meaning, through changes in the zeitgeist of a generation.

Yes, and as it changes, it slowly evolves to support more and more the ruling class of the time, whether it be the monarchs or the capitalists.

What do you have to say about such movements as Christian socialism?