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Living Freedom Land
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Postby Living Freedom Land » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:30 pm

Free South Califas wrote:I'm not sure why people who have no interest or experience in the issue are debating it here with me. I simply informed the OP how the text they used was offensive and hurtful. If you're ignorant about how the term came about, look up the original video; it is clearly an extension of slurs intended to hurt people with speech disorders and, by implication, autistic people and people with developmental disorders in general.

Nobody said people can't joke and be mean amongst themselves, or even in their own threads, but this is a thread that NSG senate RPers are more or less forced to visit, and the sample comes across as all but required reading. It would be nice if the texts we were pushed into, were either less offensive or less surprising in their aggression. I'm just asking for a little consideration for my feelings - I have them. Intent is not magic - words have a purpose and an effect, or else we wouldn't use them.

It doesn't say anything developmental disorders on the Know Your Meme page: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/derp

The first known instance of the word “derp” comes from the 1998 comedy film Baseketball by South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone. During a scene where they are caught smelling underwear taken from a woman’s private drawer, Matt runs out of the room and says “Derp.”
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Free South Califas
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Postby Free South Califas » Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:12 pm

Look, I get it. You have the privilege not to care about this stuff, and you want to force me not to care.

You can't. I do. It's not by choice.
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Free South Califas wrote:I'm not sure why people who have no interest or experience in the issue are debating it here with me. I simply informed the OP how the text they used was offensive and hurtful. If you're ignorant about how the term came about, look up the original video; it is clearly an extension of slurs intended to hurt people with speech disorders and, by implication, autistic people and people with developmental disorders in general.

Nobody said people can't joke and be mean amongst themselves, or even in their own threads, but this is a thread that NSG senate RPers are more or less forced to visit, and the sample comes across as all but required reading. It would be nice if the texts we were pushed into, were either less offensive or less surprising in their aggression. I'm just asking for a little consideration for my feelings - I have them. Intent is not magic - words have a purpose and an effect, or else we wouldn't use them.

It doesn't say anything developmental disorders on the Know Your Meme page: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/derp

The first known instance of the word “derp” comes from the 1998 comedy film Baseketball by South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone. During a scene where they are caught smelling underwear taken from a woman’s private drawer, Matt runs out of the room and says “Derp.”

1. That's not how evidence works;
2. They're wrong, an earlier scene involved Rob Schneider in a car;
3. That's not where I'd go to find out if something is offensive, because we don't represent a large number of people in society and are less likely to be understood in that detail by a site that doesn't focus on antidiscrimination and such things.
4. Stop trying to prove it's inoffensive and unhurtful - it is offensive and hurtful, and offended and hurt me. I don't see what else there is for you to do about it but spam, which is against board rules, or TG me, which is against the rules because I'm asking you not to (I do not need to defend my right to be treated with equal respect and dignity), or get over it. I'll cry you a river later.
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Quebec and Atlantic Canada
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Postby Quebec and Atlantic Canada » Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:33 pm

I have Asperger's and I don't give a fuck if someone says herp-derp, FSC. Drop the issue.

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Free South Califas
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Postby Free South Califas » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:48 pm

Quebec and Atlantic Canada wrote:I have Asperger's and I don't give a fuck if someone says herp-derp, FSC. Drop the issue.

I don't see how that's relevant. For one thing, Asperger's doesn't exist, you're autistic. For a second, some individuals are ideologically committed to pretending they cannot be offended. For another, I also have a developmental disorder; I don't see how you get to hijack my identity and silence me. I also don't see why so many people insist on spamming the thread about it. Again, I'm not going to pretend I didn't react to it the way I did; it had a real effect on me, and there's no point silencing me about it.

Fuck your bullshit about "drop the issue". You drop the issue. I haven't asked anyone to keep this spamming charade going, but I have been continually made to defend my dignity. ETA: GNY, if it's a non-issue, stop spamming about it.
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Postby Greater New York » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:53 pm

Quebec and Atlantic Canada wrote:I have Asperger's and I don't give a fuck if someone says herp-derp, FSC. Drop the issue.


I agree. I've never actually seen "derp" used as a major insult towards people anyways. The only time I've seen it is when someone uses it to replace "Stupid". FSC is making an issue out of a non-issue.
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Postby Slazliyka » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:56 pm

Gotta be kidding me. Gee, thanks for your solidarity with people with disabilities, there, Comrade. Let me guess, "nigger" only refers to lazy people, and black people in general shouldn't be offended if you use the term?
How far does this principle go with you?



Unlike "herp derp", I've actually seen "nigger" used as a slur toward black people. That's the generally accepted meaning of the word. I've only ever seen "herp derp" used to comment on an idiotic action, and as far as I'm aware it's just a meme used for exactly that. Given that you're the only claiming it's a slur for the disabled, I'm not sure it's usage as a slur is the generally accepted meaning of the word as is the case with "nigger". If it genuinely is a slur for people with disabilities then I apologize for my ignorance.

It would be much appreciated if you would drop the dickish tone next time, being an asshole really just hurts your cause.
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Postby Pyreneesia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:41 am

*pops head in*

I'm open to questioning in the debatings over
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Living Freedom Land
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Postby Living Freedom Land » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:50 am

Free South Califas wrote:1. That's not how evidence works;
2. They're wrong, an earlier scene involved Rob Schneider in a car;
3. That's not where I'd go to find out if something is offensive, because we don't represent a large number of people in society and are less likely to be understood in that detail by a site that doesn't focus on antidiscrimination and such things.
4. Stop trying to prove it's inoffensive and unhurtful - it is offensive and hurtful, and offended and hurt me. I don't see what else there is for you to do about it but spam, which is against board rules, or TG me, which is against the rules because I'm asking you not to (I do not need to defend my right to be treated with equal respect and dignity), or get over it. I'll cry you a river later.

Fair enough, but I would like to point out that the Rob Schneider scene is (according to KYM) later than the scene in Basketball. I also don't see how the Rob Schneider scene is hurtful, but I am not very familiar with speech disorders so maybe it's just due to my ignorance on the subject.

I'd also like to add that I wasn't trying to be confrontational or make you feel bad about having any sort of a disorder and I can understand how to may be defensive (even overly so) if people have made fun of you about it in the past. I just figured I'd try to provide some sort of source for people to make up their own minds on the issue seeing as nobody had linked anything yet. Anyway, I don't have much else to add to the subject anymore.
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Angleter
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Postby Angleter » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:41 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Angleter wrote:Senator Angleter is now taking questions.

"Senator, are you a devout Catholic or more lapsed?"


"I wouldn't call myself devout, but I am a practising Catholic - I go to Mass, go to Confession, and suchlike."
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:43 am

Angleter wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:"Senator, are you a devout Catholic or more lapsed?"


"I wouldn't call myself devout, but I am a practising Catholic - I go to Mass, go to Confession, and suchlike."


"So no self flagellation?"
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:58 am

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=240308&p=14792518#wrap
Sadly the reference to a single post url option doesnt work on phones, so this merely links to thrh page. It is the 3rd post from the bottom of the page.

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Postby Angleter » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:05 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Angleter wrote:
"I wouldn't call myself devout, but I am a practising Catholic - I go to Mass, go to Confession, and suchlike."


"So no self flagellation?"


"Afraid not, no."
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Postby New Waterford » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:26 am

Free South Califas wrote:
Quebec and Atlantic Canada wrote:I have Asperger's and I don't give a fuck if someone says herp-derp, FSC. Drop the issue.

I don't see how that's relevant. For one thing, Asperger's doesn't exist, you're autistic.

What brings you to that conclusion?
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Postby Wolfmanne » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:27 am

New Waterford wrote:
Free South Califas wrote:I don't see how that's relevant. For one thing, Asperger's doesn't exist, you're autistic.

What brings you to that conclusion?

Free South, that's just off-colour and totally uncalled for.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:29 am

Free South Califas wrote:
Quebec and Atlantic Canada wrote:I have Asperger's and I don't give a fuck if someone says herp-derp, FSC. Drop the issue.

I don't see how that's relevant. For one thing, Asperger's doesn't exist, you're autistic.

Would you want to expose yourself to the stereotypes of autistic people? Perhaps they aren't ready to identify themselves as such. You can't force anyone to identify with anything.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:31 am

Free South Califas wrote: Asperger's doesn't exist

I actually know someone with Aspergers syndrome. It is not autism, regardless of medical definitions these days.
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Postby Potenco » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:20 pm

Castille de Italia wrote:Attention all Senators; What is your current opinion on the recent Senate Bombing?


A major act of evil that demands justice, this is a symptom of a greater sickness of violence that has taken hold of this nation. First a man attempted to attack the GLBT parade and now this.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:22 pm

Castille de Italia wrote:Attention all Senators; What is your current opinion on the recent Senate Bombing?

Its a terrible tragedy that highlights the weakness of our internal security measures
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The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
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Postby Grand Longueville » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:04 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Angleter wrote:
"I wouldn't call myself devout, but I am a practising Catholic - I go to Mass, go to Confession, and suchlike."


"So no self flagellation?"


The Reverend Senator feels that it is a crude question to ask someone the methods one uses for penance. The Faithful are, naturally, not obliged to respond to such intrusions. "Self flagellation is certainly a legitimate form of penance, when done under the proper guidance of a legitimate Spiritual Director and Confessor."
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Postby Ziegenhain » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:07 pm

Okay, re-opening questions for my senator if anyone has any.
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Postby Potenco » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:17 pm

Free South Califas wrote:
Potenco wrote:I am open for questions from the public, including that guy who clips his fingernails on the subway, as if thats somehow acceptable

That's not me, Senator. Hope you are OK with Libertarian Communists? (dislikes says "Libertarians")


No, I mean Libertarian in the sense of supporting the unbridled greed of laiizez faire economics.

I am still open for questions
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Postby New Zepuha » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:39 pm

Free South Califas wrote:Look, I get it. You have the privilege not to care about this stuff, and you want to force me not to care.

You can't. I do. It's not by choice.
Living Freedom Land wrote:It doesn't say anything developmental disorders on the Know Your Meme page: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/derp


1. That's not how evidence works;
2. They're wrong, an earlier scene involved Rob Schneider in a car;
3. That's not where I'd go to find out if something is offensive, because we don't represent a large number of people in society and are less likely to be understood in that detail by a site that doesn't focus on antidiscrimination and such things.
4. Stop trying to prove it's inoffensive and unhurtful - it is offensive and hurtful, and offended and hurt me. I don't see what else there is for you to do about it but spam, which is against board rules, or TG me, which is against the rules because I'm asking you not to (I do not need to defend my right to be treated with equal respect and dignity), or get over it. I'll cry you a river later.

No just no, I've never even heard of HerpDerp being close to that and you can't just use the term 'nigger' as an example. That in fact has been used blatantly as a racist slur, and is recognized as such. You are totally right, we don't understand because no one does. I'm sure I can walk into my mothers classroom of SpecialEd students, say HerpDerp and they'd either ignore me or ask me what I'm doing. Stop trying to prove it is slanderous.

Sorry if I come off confrontational but it aggravates me to no end that your tone is so arrogant and pushy. But if this has happened to you before, it can hardly be called a slur, sorry but no special cases. But try to be cordial about things and it'll be less of a headache for all of us.
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Postby Potenco » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:54 pm

OK people lets end this herpderp controversey! In the end it wont matter at all in the scope of Aurentinias grand history
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:27 am

Does anybody approve of the Bilderberg group?

And is anybody else a member?
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