Senatorial Database [NSGSenate]

[Glasgia]

Actually, senator, learn some common sense. While "plebs" may have originated from the plebians of ancient Rome, it has never been used to refer to the Roman lower classes: I think you knew full well that the word is now offensive and you meant it as such.

I meant it as the free Aurentine citizens who are not members of the patrician(aristorcratic) classes. I don't recognize the bastardization of Latin that has give it its urban slang meaning. So yes it has always meant the lower and middle classes of Rome and was frequently used to refer to the Roman lower classes by the writers of the time. Now that's common sense.

I challenge you to find me one reliable historical source, preferably from a Roman writer during Imperial or Republican times, in which "plebs" was used to refer to the plebians of ancient Rome.

[The Nihilistic view]

I meant it as the free Aurentine citizens who are not members of the patrician(aristorcratic) classes. I don't recognize the bastardization of Latin that has give it its urban slang meaning. So yes it has always meant the lower and middle classes of Rome and was frequently used to refer to the Roman lower classes by the writers of the time. Now that's common sense.

I challenge you to find me one reliable historical source, preferably from a Roman writer during Imperial or Republican times, in which "plebs" was used to refer to the plebians of ancient Rome.

Are you really asking me to find a Latin work in Latin text?

[Glasgia]

I challenge you to find me one reliable historical source, preferably from a Roman writer during Imperial or Republican times, in which "plebs" was used to refer to the plebians of ancient Rome.

Are you really asking me to find a Latin work in Latin text?

Plebs means people in Latin, senator. People. It, as I have said, has never been used to refer to the plebeians, the lower classes, of ancient Rome. However, this is not Latin. Unless I am mistaken, both you and me have been conversing in English. Therefore, its meaning in Latin is irrelevant. In the general English language, from London to New York to Leishaagen, "plebs" is a deregatory term used to describe the working and, occassionally, middle classes.

[New Zepuha]

You can find in most military academies the term 'pleb' refers to the under-class men and people below the experienced people.

[The Nihilistic view]

Are you really asking me to find a Latin work in Latin text?

Plebs means people in Latin, senator. People. It, as I have said, has never been used to refer to the plebeians, the lower classes, of ancient Rome. However, this is not Latin. Unless I am mistaken, both you and me have been conversing in English. Therefore, its meaning in Latin is irrelevant. In the general English language, from London to New York to Leishaagen, "plebs" is a deregatory term used to describe the working and, occassionally, middle classes.

The free common people of Rome. In other words all Romans that were neither slaves nor either of the patrician classes of senators and ordo equester.

[Glasgia]

Plebs means people in Latin, senator. People. It, as I have said, has never been used to refer to the plebeians, the lower classes, of ancient Rome. However, this is not Latin. Unless I am mistaken, both you and me have been conversing in English. Therefore, its meaning in Latin is irrelevant. In the general English language, from London to New York to Leishaagen, "plebs" is a deregatory term used to describe the working and, occassionally, middle classes.

The free common people of Rome. In other words all Romans that were neither slaves nor either of the patrician classes of senators and ordo equester.

The free common people of Rome were plebeians. Even the aristocrats were plebs. However, you ignore my latter point, perhaps the most important point. We are not speaking Latin, we are speaking English. Therefore, "pleb" is a deregatory term for a member of the lower classes.

[Grand Longueville]

The free common people of Rome were plebeians. Even the aristocrats were plebs. However, you ignore my latter point, perhaps the most important point. We are not speaking Latin, we are speaking English. Therefore, "pleb" is a deregatory [SIC] term for a member of the lower classes.

You seem to be making an ocean out of a puddle, Senator.

[Glasgia]

The free common people of Rome were plebeians. Even the aristocrats were plebs. However, you ignore my latter point, perhaps the most important point. We are not speaking Latin, we are speaking English. Therefore, "pleb" is a deregatory [SIC] term for a member of the lower classes.

You seem to be making an ocean out of a puddle, Senator.

Ok, fair enough for pointing out my typo. Derogatory it is senator. However, I am not "making an ocean out of a puddle". If Senator de Pfeffel feels the need to insult the large majority of our nation, I am justified to debate his use of such an offensive term.

EDIT: ((I also find it funny that Nihl spent ten minutes not replying to this thread and then logged off, in comparision to his usual quick replies))

[The Nihilistic view]

The free common people of Rome. In other words all Romans that were neither slaves nor either of the patrician classes of senators and ordo equester.

The free common people of Rome were plebeians. Even the aristocrats were plebs. However, you ignore my latter point, perhaps the most important point. We are not speaking Latin, we are speaking English. Therefore, "pleb" is a deregatory term for a member of the lower classes.

That is where you are wrong, the patricians were never called plebs. As you know plebs means the Common people not just people and roman patricians are not common. Latin for People is populo not plebs.

EDIT: Bet you feel like a Muppet now. The same minute I "supposedly log off" I reply!

[Glasgia]

The free common people of Rome were plebeians. Even the aristocrats were plebs. However, you ignore my latter point, perhaps the most important point. We are not speaking Latin, we are speaking English. Therefore, "pleb" is a deregatory term for a member of the lower classes.

That is where you are wrong, the patricians were never called plebs. As you know plebs means the Common people not just people and roman patricians are not common. Latin for People is populo not plebs.

Synonyms. However, senator, you again ignore the point I most constantly make. We are not speaking Latin. In Britain, the United States and to almost all of Aurentina, "plebs" is an offensive term.

EDIT: Bet you feel like a Muppet now. The same minute I "supposedly log off" I reply!

((No, because you then pretty much ignore my whole point. I still find it funny, because as soon as I ask you to actually consider the point you are lost for words. And you did log off, as your "online" tag dissapeared from your flag for a minute.))

[The Nihilistic view]

That is where you are wrong, the patricians were never called plebs. As you know plebs means the Common people not just people and roman patricians are not common. Latin for People is populo not plebs.

Synonyms. However, senator, you again ignore the point I most constantly make. We are not speaking Latin. In Britain, the United States and to almost all of Aurentina, "plebs" is an offensive term.

EDIT: Bet you feel like a Muppet now. The same minute I "supposedly log off" I reply!

((No, because you then pretty much ignore my whole point. I still find it funny, because as soon as I ask you to actually consider the point you are lost for words. And you did log off, as your "online" tag dissapeared from your flag for a minute.))

Well i had not logged off, anyway....

[Glasgia]

Synonyms. However, senator, you again ignore the point I most constantly make. We are not speaking Latin. In Britain, the United States and to almost all of Aurentina, "plebs" is an offensive term.



((No, because you then pretty much ignore my whole point. I still find it funny, because as soon as I ask you to actually consider the point you are lost for words. And you did log off, as your "online" tag dissapeared from your flag for a minute.))

Well i had not logged off, anyway....

((Back to IC, neither of us have any proof either way. Maybe it was an error by my internet then. Answer my senator's question))

[The Nihilistic view]

So? There are many words in common english usage that are used for their meaning in the native language they are from. I am using Plebs/plebe with its native meaning as one may use the words au naturel or je ne sais quoi.

[Glasgia]

So? There are many words in common english usage that are used for their meaning in the native language they are from. I am using Plebs/plebe with its native meaning as one my use the words au naturel or je ne sais quoi.

I would like you to undertake a simple excercise. Search for "pleb" in an English dictionary, online or in paper. Preferably use Oxford, as they are a reliable source and tend to be the official marker for the English language. Please return with your results.

[The Nihilistic view]

So? There are many words in common english usage that are used for their meaning in the native language they are from. I am using Plebs/plebe with its native meaning as one my use the words au naturel or je ne sais quoi.

I would like you to undertake a simple excercise. Search for "pleb" in an English dictionary, online or in paper. Preferably use Oxford, as they are a reliable source and tend to be the official marker for the English language. Please return with your results.

If you do the same with Negro.

[The Nihilistic view]

I find Member of the common people/ordinary people.

[Glasgia]

I would like you to undertake a simple excercise. Search for "pleb" in an English dictionary, online or in paper. Preferably use Oxford, as they are a reliable source and tend to be the official marker for the English language. Please return with your results.

If you do the same with Negro.

Yes, the phrases you mentioned are translated literally from their language into English: "plebs", meanwhile, is not. I have never argued otherwise. Would you like to post your results?

[The Nihilistic view]

If you do the same with Negro.

Yes, the phrases you mentioned are translated literally from their language into English: "plebs", meanwhile, is not. I have never argued otherwise. Would you like to post your results?

It only turns derogatory when i look it up in the urban dictionary.

[Glasgia]

Yes, the phrases you mentioned are translated literally from their language into English: "plebs", meanwhile, is not. I have never argued otherwise. Would you like to post your results?

It only turns derogatory when i look it up in the urban dictionary.

Wait two seconds and I will arrive with evidence from Oxford Online Dictionary, the most reliable dictionary for the English language.

pleb

Pronunciation: /plɛb/

Definition of pleb

noun
informal, derogatory
an ordinary person, especially one from the lower social classes.

[The Nihilistic view]

It only turns derogatory when i look it up in the urban dictionary.

Wait two seconds and I will arrive with evidence from Oxford Online Dictionary, the most reliable dictionary for the English language.

pleb

Pronunciation: /plɛb/

Definition of pleb

noun
informal, derogatory
an ordinary person, especially one from the lower social classes.

So you object to being called an ordinary person when used in the context of differentiating between aristocrats and everyone else?

[Britcan]

Wait two seconds and I will arrive with evidence from Oxford Online Dictionary, the most reliable dictionary for the English language.

pleb

Pronunciation: /plɛb/

Definition of pleb

noun
informal, derogatory
an ordinary person, especially one from the lower social classes.

So you object to being called an ordinary person when used in the context of differentiating between aristocrats and everyone else?

Did you miss the part where it said "derogatory" or are you just ignoring it?

[Glasgia]

Wait two seconds and I will arrive with evidence from Oxford Online Dictionary, the most reliable dictionary for the English language.

pleb

Pronunciation: /plɛb/

Definition of pleb

noun
informal, derogatory
an ordinary person, especially one from the lower social classes.

So you object to being called an ordinary person when used in the context of differentiating between aristocrats and everyone else?

It clearly states that the term is derogatory.

[Unified states of North China]

Wait, where's the old one?

[The Nihilistic view]

So you object to being called an ordinary person when used in the context of differentiating between aristocrats and everyone else?

It clearly states that the term is derogatory.

It does not say it is, It says it could be informal or derogatory. That is why i asked you to look up negro and is given as "dated, often offensive." but it is described as "a member of a dark-skinned group of peoples originally native to Africa south of the Sahara." Used in the right way its fine, used in the wrong way negro is offensive. With both the words it depends on how the orator intends them to be used.

[Glasgia]

It clearly states that the term is derogatory.

It does not say it is, It says it could be informal or derogatory. That is why i asked you to look up negro and is given as "dated, often offensive." but it is described as "a member of a dark-skinned group of peoples originally native to Africa south of the Sahara." Used in the right way its fine, used in the wrong way negro is offensive. With both the words it depends on how the orator intends them to be used.

Under negro, it says "often offensive". Under pleb, it says "derogatory". You're correct: the term Negro is not always offensive. The term pleb is either derogatory or derogatory. No "often" or "sometimes". Also, there is no "or". Pleb is always used in an informal and derogatory context.

If you truly wish to resolve this matter, I want you to ask that question again. I want you to apologise to those offended and accept that you are prejudiced and bourgeoisie. I want you to acknowledge that your basic English skills are substandard and dated. I want you to enroll yourself in a beginnners English course, at a college or school of your choice. Then I will end this argument.