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The Nihilistic view
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:58 am

Malgrave wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I believe that the violence committed by the mob is immoral, yet not psychopathic. They are but businessmen; close-knit businessmen, bound by a code of honour and working outside the laws of our great nation, but still businessmen. I believe that the growing wave of vigilantism is much more devastating to communities as a whole. Not only is it illegal, but it only provokes the mafia to action and increases possible damage to property and injury to civilians. This is a threat that must be dealt with. Street gangs are, as a whole, much more unorganised and dishonourable than traditional crime syndicates with an investment in their community.


You are calling organised criminal gangs honourable? Those who have burned down establishments, kidnapped and killed politicians, journalists and countless citizens of this nation? You also attack the vigilantes that have been created in response to these criminal gangs and they should be attacked by the police instead of rather going after the root cause of the problem. Community investment as well? You applaud the investment of money made from illegal means in the local community?

So yes. I feel free to call you a supporter of the mafia.


One point I would make clear. From what I have always read those the Mafia have killed or tried to have always been members of the Mafia and in most cases confirmed that this is the case. Why are you so outraged by internal Mafia conflicts? If they want to kill each other then let them, better tactic than using the inept police.
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Malgrave
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Malgrave » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:09 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Malgrave wrote:
You are calling organised criminal gangs honourable? Those who have burned down establishments, kidnapped and killed politicians, journalists and countless citizens of this nation? You also attack the vigilantes that have been created in response to these criminal gangs and they should be attacked by the police instead of rather going after the root cause of the problem. Community investment as well? You applaud the investment of money made from illegal means in the local community?

So yes. I feel free to call you a supporter of the mafia.


One point I would make clear. From what I have always read those the Mafia have killed or tried to have always been members of the Mafia and in most cases confirmed that this is the case. Why are you so outraged by internal Mafia conflicts? If they want to kill each other then let them, better tactic than using the inept police.


These methods tend to kill innocent bystanders and recently the police have been extremely effective and arrested several senior members of these criminal gangs.

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The Nihilistic view
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:13 pm

Malgrave wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
One point I would make clear. From what I have always read those the Mafia have killed or tried to have always been members of the Mafia and in most cases confirmed that this is the case. Why are you so outraged by internal Mafia conflicts? If they want to kill each other then let them, better tactic than using the inept police.


These methods tend to kill innocent bystanders and recently the police have been extremely effective and arrested several senior members of these criminal gangs.

OOC: I'm watching a recorded episode of 8 of 10 cats does countdown. :p


Several? Who are the others to go with Rothschild?
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Postby Britanno » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:18 pm

The President is still open for questions.

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Deutsche Demokratische Republik
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Postby Deutsche Demokratische Republik » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:19 pm

Britanno wrote:The President is still open for questions.

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You can ask my senator questions. ;)
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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:28 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Malgrave wrote:
These methods tend to kill innocent bystanders and recently the police have been extremely effective and arrested several senior members of these criminal gangs.

OOC: I'm watching a recorded episode of 8 of 10 cats does countdown. :p


Several? Who are the others to go with Rothschild?

...yeah. So far as I know, Rothschild is the only mafia member ever captured.
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New Corenea
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Postby New Corenea » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:07 pm

This thread must not die! Senator Scott Whittle is open for question!
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:15 pm

New Corenea wrote:This thread must not die! Senator Scott Whittle is open for question!

Please link to his profile from now on. Or at least put it in your sig.

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Kouralia
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Postby Kouralia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:18 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Please link to his profile from now on. Or at least put it in your sig.

I was on fucking holiday, give me a break and stop going on about how I can't be bothered to update it.
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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:19 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Please link to his profile from now on. Or at least put it in your sig.

I was on fucking holiday, give me a break and stop going on about how I can't be bothered to update it.

...I was talking to New Corenea.
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Mediciano
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Founded: Mar 13, 2013
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Postby Mediciano » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:20 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Kouralia wrote:I was on fucking holiday, give me a break and stop going on about how I can't be bothered to update it.

...I was talking to New Corenea.

That escalated quickly...

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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:22 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...I was talking to New Corenea.

That escalated quickly...

Yes... yes it did...
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New Corenea
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Postby New Corenea » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:25 pm

Scott Whittle

Why did you leave the National Liberals to form your own party?


I felt that the National Liberal Party was being more centrist than conservative
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Zannania
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Founded: May 30, 2011
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Zannania » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:56 pm

Marcel Tessier - Reform Party
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Occupation: Senator, Founder and CEO of The Aurentine AIDS Fund, a non-profit dedicated to fighting the spread of HIV, AIDS, and other auto-immune diseases
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Constituency: District 4, Kap-de-Grün
Political Ideology: Fiscal and social conservative, with libertarian leanings
Family: Married to his husband Bastian Apweiler, age 35, with two adopted children, Quentin, age 7, and Marta, age 5
Background: Growing up in Aurentina during its more stressful historical periods had a profound impact on Tessier. The son of a single mother who was a first-generation French immigrant, Marcel lived a poor life in a poor village. His life took a downward spiral when his mother became unable to work. He was coerced into a gay sex-trafficking ring at age 14, and only escaped when the ring was busted five years later. He dusted himself off, finished university, and found a decent job at a wealth management firm at age 26. He often considers his greatest achievement to date the day he married the man of his dreams at age 28 and started a family. However, his itch to change society's attitude toward sexual crime and his concern that the country is taking a fiscally irresponsible turn inspired him to get involved in politics. He currently serves as a senator for his hometown of Kap-de-Grün, in addition to running his own non-profit organization.
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  • Do you think there are more homosexual conservatives in the Senate? - "I have not had the time to familiarize myself with every other member of the Senate. With that in mind, I have no doubt that there are others like myself in the Senate."
  • Mr. Tessier, I hope you realize that it is currently impossible to be a practicing Catholic and a homosexual. How do you manage to reconcile the two? - "We live in an age where modern ideals are clashing with traditional, time-tested principles. The issue for our generation has become, 'Where do we draw the line?' I believe that we can continue to keep Aurentina moving in the right direction, without completely dismissing modern progress. I live as an open homosexual because I believe that my God loves me and created me with a specific sexual orientation. I disagree with the current Catechism of my church in that regard; surely disagreement is not grounds for a complete dismissal of my faith? I was raised a Catholic; my mother was Catholic and I am proud to carry that tradition with me and my children. I simply disagree with the way the Catholic church currently goes about classifying homosexuality."
  • Senator Tessier, how would you compare your "pro-life" views with those who are of the opinion that abortion should be "safe, legal, and rare"? - "Let's dissect that phrase, and see what it really means. 'Safe' implies that abortion is in fact safe to perform, when in fact it is not. There have been a plethora of studies that show how dangerous and harmful to a woman's body it is to have any abortion performed on it, and I certainly don't feel comfortable allowing citizens in this country to be subjected to a dangerous procedure that in 98% of the cases is totally voluntary and is not the result of a medical emergency. 'Legal' implies that government should sanction the ending of a life. Why in the world would we ever sanction murder? It doesn't make sense to me. Let's encourage adoption and family values instead. 'Rare' implies that if we allow abortion to be performed in Aurentina, somehow the number of abortions would decrease or remain at a low number. I have yet to find a single person that can explain that to me in a way that makes sense. So to wrap this up, let me give you a phrase of my own: I believe abortion should be prevented, outlawed, and non-existent. Some may call that unrealistic, but I would remind them that a person's right to life surpasses all others."
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New Corenea
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Postby New Corenea » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:07 pm

To Marcel,
Do you think there are more homosexual conservatives in the Senate?
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Mediciano
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Postby Mediciano » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:08 pm

Zannania wrote:Marcel Tessier
-snip-

Mr. Tessier, I hope you realize that it is currently impossible to be a practicing Catholic and a homosexual. How do you manage to reconcile the two?

For reference, here is the Catechism of the Catholic Church on homosexuality:

Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:14 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Zannania wrote:Marcel Tessier
-snip-

Mr. Tessier, I hope you realize that it is currently impossible to be a practicing Catholic and a homosexual. How do you manage to reconcile the two?

For reference, here is the Catechism of the Catholic Church on homosexuality:

Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

As everyone knows, you can be.... Selective with your beliefs :D
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New Corenea
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Postby New Corenea » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:16 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:As everyone knows, you can be.... Selective with your beliefs :D

Nicely said
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Mediciano
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Postby Mediciano » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:17 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Mediciano wrote:

As everyone knows, you can be.... Selective with your beliefs :D

Except that Catholics are not allowed to contradict the Pope, as he is infallible, and the Catechism was promulgated for the Catholic Church by Pope John Paul II. So a Catholic, therefore, cannot contradict the Catechism.

If he wants to be a Christian who is "sorta-kinda Catholic" then he should say so, and not call himself "Catholic". But no, you cannot be selective about your beliefs if you are a follower of the Roman Catholic Church.
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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:20 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:As everyone knows, you can be.... Selective with your beliefs :D

Except that Catholics are not allowed to contradict the Pope, as he is infallible, and the Catechism was promulgated for the Catholic Church by Pope John Paul II. So a Catholic, therefore, cannot contradict the Catechism.

If he wants to be a Christian who is "sorta-kinda Catholic" then he should say so, and not call himself "Catholic". But no, you cannot be selective about your beliefs if you are a follower of the Roman Catholic Church.

I guess I can't read Harry Potter or go to yoga classes then.
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Mediciano
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Postby Mediciano » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:21 pm

Gothmogs wrote:I guess I can't read Harry Potter or go to yoga classes then.

I don't remember a pope, or any holy text, or any text deemed infallible by the church, ever mentioning either of those subjects, so you certainly can.

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Byzantium Imperial
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:21 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:As everyone knows, you can be.... Selective with your beliefs :D

Except that Catholics are not allowed to contradict the Pope, as he is infallible, and the Catechism was promulgated for the Catholic Church by Pope John Paul II. So a Catholic, therefore, cannot contradict the Catechism.

If he wants to be a Christian who is "sorta-kinda Catholic" then he should say so, and not call himself "Catholic". But no, you cannot be selective about your beliefs if you are a follower of the Roman Catholic Church.

To be fair, the current pope has yet to declare a full doctrine and policy on homosexuality to follow, and anyway he is certainly more tolerant of homosexuals then previous popes
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Mediciano
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Postby Mediciano » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:23 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:To be fair, the current pope has yet to declare a full doctrine and policy on homosexuality to follow, and anyway he is certainly more tolerant of homosexuals then previous popes

That is certainly true. But until he says otherwise, the Church retains its position asserting that homosexuality is detestable. Meaning Mr. Marcel Marceau, or whatever, can't be a Catholic and a homosexual.
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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:26 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Gothmogs wrote:I guess I can't read Harry Potter or go to yoga classes then.

I don't remember a pope, or any holy text, or any text deemed infallible by the church, ever mentioning either of those subjects, so you certainly can.

Harry Potter:
http://www.tldm.org/News8/Pope%20BenedictAgainstHarryPotter.htm
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2005/jun/05062709
http://www.hollywood.com/news/brief/2439745/new-pope-hits-out-at-harry-potter-books?page=all
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I was wrong about this, the chief exorcist of the Vatican condemned it, not the pope.
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Mediciano
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Postby Mediciano » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:29 pm

Gothmogs wrote:
Mediciano wrote:I don't remember a pope, or any holy text, or any text deemed infallible by the church, ever mentioning either of those subjects, so you certainly can.

Harry Potter:
http://www.tldm.org/News8/Pope%20BenedictAgainstHarryPotter.htm
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2005/jun/05062709
http://www.hollywood.com/news/brief/2439745/new-pope-hits-out-at-harry-potter-books?page=all
Yoga:
I was wrong about this, the chief exorcist of the Vatican condemned it, not the pope.

Pope Benedict condemned Harry Potter when he was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, not when he was pope.

Edit: Actually, I'm not sure on that one. Regardless, he did not openly decree that Christians shouldn't read it. Homosexuality is denounced by every pope so far, and the Bible.
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