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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:33 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
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I'm more of a social capitalist. I believe in worker enfranchisement (aka unions) and stuff like that, but I don't like the idea of people being able to oust the owners of the business they're employed for.

So why are you a member of a socialist party?


Because there's more to socialism than just the economic aspect of it.
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:34 pm

Unicario wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:So why are you a member of a socialist party?


Because there's more to socialism than just the economic aspect of it.

No, socialism is almost entirely based around its economic ideas. It has other things, like gender equality or LGBT rights, but those are held by many other parties as well.

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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:36 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Because there's more to socialism than just the economic aspect of it.

No, socialism is almost entirely based around its economic ideas. It has other things, like gender equality or LGBT rights, but those are held by many other parties as well.


I don't know. Why was I part of the National Imperialists for a few months? Search me. The Red-Greens seemed like the... best party to me.
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:37 pm

Unicario wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:No, socialism is almost entirely based around its economic ideas. It has other things, like gender equality or LGBT rights, but those are held by many other parties as well.


I don't know. Why was I part of the National Imperialists for a few months? Search me.

I have no idea. I don't agree with the NIFP on everything, but I bet they have snazzy uniforms.

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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:39 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Unicario wrote:
I don't know. Why was I part of the National Imperialists for a few months? Search me.

I have no idea. I don't agree with the NIFP on everything, but I bet they have snazzy uniforms.


But in all honesty? I just chose the RG's because they seemed like they fit my social standards sufficiently. The Conservatives are conservative socially, which doesn't fly by me. :P
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New Sapienta
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:40 pm

Unicario wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:I have no idea. I don't agree with the NIFP on everything, but I bet they have snazzy uniforms.


But in all honesty? I just chose the RG's because they seemed like they fit my social standards sufficiently. The Conservatives are conservative socially, which doesn't fly by me. :P

Not really. I'm social-libertarian and part of the PC. They are just somewhat rightist economically.

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Evraim
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Postby Evraim » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:58 pm

Unicario wrote:But in all honesty? I just chose the RG's because they seemed like they fit my social standards sufficiently. The Conservatives are conservative socially, which doesn't fly by me. :P


Not at all. A significant number of us were in favor of a more liberal amendment to the Marriage Freedom Act. We generally support the right of a woman to abort her unborn offspring. In many cases, we're just as liberal socially as the left-leaning parties.

New Sapienta wrote:Not really. I'm social-libertarian and part of the PC. They are just somewhat rightist economically.


Arguably, the PCP could be seen as economically to the Left of the Democratic Party (US). The one thing providing a moderating influence and distinguishing us from the Liberal Democrats is the libertarian wing of the organization, and, honestly, I'm glad they're around.
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Zokoria
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Postby Zokoria » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:53 am

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Pyreneesia
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Postby Pyreneesia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:38 am

Member of the Progressive-Conservative Party in the NSG senate.

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Bleckonia
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Postby Bleckonia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:37 pm

Alexander Blec - Coalition for Freedom and Enterprise
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Account Name: Bleckonia
Occupation: Senator
Party Position(s):
Chairman/Whip

Positions in Government:
- Member of the Aurentine Constitutional Convention
- Member of the Committee on the Creation of a Civil Code

Constituency: Ascheborg
Political Ideology: Neoliberalism, liberal conservatism, liberalism, classical liberalism, monetarism, fiscal conservatism
Family: None
Background: Mr. Blec was born in Indianapolis in the United States but moved to Aurentina with his family at age 6. He was raised in an upper-middle class family. His father was a doctor and his mother was a nurse. He attended Greene High School in Mülenhaim and graduated as valedictorian of his class in 1970. He graduated from Harvard University in 1974 with a degree in engineering and went to MIT, where he got his masters in 1977. He was elected mayor of Ascheborg in 1989 and served as mayor there until 2001. He was elected to the Senate in 2003 on the Civic Party ticket and has served in the Senate since then.
Faith: None (atheist)
Likes: A good beer, talking with friends, playing golf, classic rock
Dislikes: Modern pop music, gin, soda
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Postby Slazliyka » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:13 am

Robert Thompson Communist Party
Account Name: Greater Pokarnia
Occupation: Senator
Party Position(s):
*Secretary-General

Positions in Government:
Senator

Constituency: N/A
Political Ideology: Communist
Family: N/A
Background: Robert Thompson was born into a poor family in Mëssenland in 1978. At the age of 21, he founded the GHAF (Global Humanitarian Aid Foundation), currently one of the largest non-profit charitable organizations in the world. It exists in most of the countries in the world today, including Aurentina, and helps feed, house, educate, and provide healthcare to those in need all around the world, as well as supporting movements to end all forms of discrimination. Recently, he was elected to the Aurentine Senate, where he fights to help all the people of Aurentina. Notably, he donates almost all of his salary to the GHAF, and lives off of the average Aurentinian's wages as a show of solidarity.
Faith: None.
Likes: Communism, Socialism, Syndicalism, welfare, secularism, gender equality, workers' rights, libertarianism.
Dislikes: Capitalism, Fascism, all forms of discrimination.
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Arkolon
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:27 pm

I'm Arkolon, and get me out of here! No, seriously, I never did anything in the NSG Senate, and I don't want to be on the TG list anymore. Thanks. I still will be in #nsg_senate, though :3
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Byzantium Imperial
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:29 pm

Alexander "Palaiologos" von Flëessalm - National Imperialist Freedom Party
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Account Name: Byzantium Imperial
Occupation: Senator, former Militia leader, former British Army captain.
Party Position(s):Vice Chairmen, 2nd party whip
Positions in Government: Minister of Veteran Affairs
Constituency: Flëessalm (439)
Political Ideology: Nationalist
Family: One of only a few current living members of the old Palaiologos dynasty of the Byzantine Empire. No kids, or spouse. Family has been in Aurentina since mid 15th century

Background: As one of the last surviving members of one of the old Byzantine dynasties, Alexander had been born into a life of privlage much like his brother Marcus. Instead of becoming the head of the family buisnesses though, Alexander applied for a commision in the British army, and after officer training school rose to the rank of Captain. However, after his brother Marcus convinced him of the need for Aurentine independence, Alexander left the British army, and is suspected of having been the muscles behind Marcus' rebel activities, and his lietenant in the Fleesalm militia.
After independence, Alexander, like many warriors, found himself with nothing to do. With the Aurentine military not yet established, the militias disbanding, and his brother away in the senate, Alexander became complacent. He reopened his contacts in the Libyan black market weapons trade, and was contemplating running for Mayor of Fleesalm untill his brother Marcus was shot dead by the mafia in the Hot and Juiciy burgers incident. Several days later, a special election was held, in which Alexander was selected to be Marcus' replacement in the senate. Having inherited the family buisnesses, the Senate seat, and the estate, Alexander now has a more interesting life ahead of him. But first, the Mafia must pay...

Faith: Greek Orthodox
Likes: Nationalism, firearms, capitalism, service
Dislikes: Communists, people with a lack of humor, political correctness
Any Questions from the Public to be answered? Go ahead and ask


There, i finnaly got around to creating another senator to replace the dead one
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Wairstia
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Postby Wairstia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:06 pm

John Wairstia - USLP
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Account Name: Wairstia

Occupation: Senator
Party Position(s): Senator

Positions in Government: Senator
Constituency: N/A
Political Ideology: Stabism

Family: His partner, David Harkness
Background: John Wairstia was born in Aurentina, and joined the Communist paramilitaries against whoever he needed to, fighting and claiming quite the kills against the British scumbags. His favourite weapons became the screwdriver, one of which he kept sharpened for use against eyes in cqc. When Aurentina got all of the freedoms, he joined the USLP and became the senator, but this did not diminish his action-seeking, thrill-seeking lifestyle, and he has often been seen driving fast, shooting guns on the range or generally enjoying things like that.
Faith: Atheism
Likes: Knives, bayonets, guns, rifles, death, killing, the destruction of the bourgeois, drinking, fighting, more drinking, stabbing
Dislikes: Peace, quiet, the bourgeois
Any Questions from the Public to be answered?
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Byzantium Imperial
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:07 pm

Wairstia wrote:
John Wairstia - USLP
Account Name: Wairstia

Occupation: Senator
Party Position(s): Senator

Positions in Government: Senator
Constituency: N/A
Political Ideology: Stabism

Family: His partner, David Harkness
Background: John Wairstia was born in Aurentina, and joined the Communist paramilitaries against whoever he needed to, fighting and claiming quite the kills against whoever he was meant to fight against. His favourite weapons became the screwdriver, one of which he kept sharpened for use against eyes in cqc. When Aurentina got all of the freedoms, he joined the USLP and became the senator, but this did not diminish his action-seeking, thrill-seeking lifestyle, and he has often been seen driving fast, shooting guns on the range or generally enjoying things like that.
Faith: Atheism
Likes: Knives, bayonets, guns, rifles, death, killing, the destruction of the bourgeois, drinking, fighting, more drinking, stabbing
Dislikes: Peace, quiet, the bourgeois
Any Questions from the Public to be answered?

Just to help you out, a part of our history included a nearly century long independence movement against the British, which at times included violent actions. So you know, you can use that instead of saying random kills :)
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The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Wairstia
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Postby Wairstia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:09 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Wairstia wrote:
John Wairstia - USLP
Account Name: Wairstia

Occupation: Senator
Party Position(s): Senator

Positions in Government: Senator
Constituency: N/A
Political Ideology: Stabism

Family: His partner, David Harkness
Background: John Wairstia was born in Aurentina, and joined the Communist paramilitaries against whoever he needed to, fighting and claiming quite the kills against whoever he was meant to fight against. His favourite weapons became the screwdriver, one of which he kept sharpened for use against eyes in cqc. When Aurentina got all of the freedoms, he joined the USLP and became the senator, but this did not diminish his action-seeking, thrill-seeking lifestyle, and he has often been seen driving fast, shooting guns on the range or generally enjoying things like that.
Faith: Atheism
Likes: Knives, bayonets, guns, rifles, death, killing, the destruction of the bourgeois, drinking, fighting, more drinking, stabbing
Dislikes: Peace, quiet, the bourgeois
Any Questions from the Public to be answered?

Just to help you out, a part of our history included a nearly century long independence movement against the British, which at times included violent actions. So you know, you can use that instead of saying random kills :)

Thank'ee!
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The Zeonic States
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Postby The Zeonic States » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:41 pm

Rutherford Blaine – National Imperialist Freedom Party
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Account Name: The Zeonic States
Occupation: Senator/Senatorial Staff/Other (say what it is) Senator
Party Position(s): Sergeant at Arms

Positions in Government:
Senator

Constituency: N/A
Political Ideology: Nationalistic Totalitarian
Family: None
Background: An Upper Class Older Gentleman and Former Private Industrialist turned Politician who came to Aurentina to support the Nation in it's Formation in Independence to the British. Educated and Experienced in leading men due to his time in the both Taltos Security of which he is a founding executive and it's Original Security Director and the American Security Concern Blackwater International he is as comfortable leading men into battle as he is discussing Politics.
Faith: Taoist
Likes: Fine Bourbon, Firearms, Politics , Logical Arguments, Strong Nationalistic Sentiment,
Dislikes: Cheese, Bad Historical Novels, Stupidity, Communism, Libertarianism
Any Questions from the Public to be answered? No
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Wolfmanne
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Postby Wolfmanne » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:43 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:Rutherford Blaine – National Imperialist Freedom Party
Account Name: The Zeonic States
Occupation: Senator/Senatorial Staff/Other (say what it is) Senator
Party Position(s): Sergeant at Arms

Positions in Government:
Senator

Constituency: N/A
Political Ideology: Nationalistic Totalitarian Family: None
Background: An Upper Class Older Gentleman and Former Private Industrialist turned Politician who came to Aurentina to support the Nation in it's Formation in Independence to the British. Educated and Experienced in leading men due to his time in the both Taltos Security of which he is a founding executive and it's Original Security Director and the American Security Concern Blackwater International he is as comfortable leading men into battle as he is discussing Politics.
Faith: Taoist
Likes: Fine Bourbon, Firearms, Politics , Logical Arguments, Strong Nationalistic Sentiment,
Dislikes: Cheese, Bad Historical Novels, Stupidity, Communism, Libertarianism
Any Questions from the Public to be answered? No

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The Zeonic States
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Postby The Zeonic States » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:44 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:Rutherford Blaine – National Imperialist Freedom Party
Account Name: The Zeonic States
Occupation: Senator/Senatorial Staff/Other (say what it is) Senator
Party Position(s): Sergeant at Arms

Positions in Government:
Senator

Constituency: N/A
Political Ideology: Nationalistic Totalitarian Family: None
Background: An Upper Class Older Gentleman and Former Private Industrialist turned Politician who came to Aurentina to support the Nation in it's Formation in Independence to the British. Educated and Experienced in leading men due to his time in the both Taltos Security of which he is a founding executive and it's Original Security Director and the American Security Concern Blackwater International he is as comfortable leading men into battle as he is discussing Politics.
Faith: Taoist
Likes: Fine Bourbon, Firearms, Politics , Logical Arguments, Strong Nationalistic Sentiment,
Dislikes: Cheese, Bad Historical Novels, Stupidity, Communism, Libertarianism
Any Questions from the Public to be answered? No

A Taoist in the NIFP? Who woulda guessed!


I myself am personally Taoist/ Daoist. (I always prefered the older title personally)

The Ideology is lovely in how simple its concepts are and yet how they become so utterly complex when you give them any manner of thought.
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Wolfmanne
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Postby Wolfmanne » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:46 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:A Taoist in the NIFP? Who woulda guessed!


I myself am personally Taoist/ Daoist. (I always prefered the older title personally)

The Ideology is lovely in how simple its concepts are and yet how they become so utterly complex when you give them any manner of thought.

I have a lot of respect for Taoism and I'm glad that you've found faith whilst so many are giving it up. I'm just a bit surprised, I never would of guessed.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:53 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:
I myself am personally Taoist/ Daoist. (I always prefered the older title personally)

The Ideology is lovely in how simple its concepts are and yet how they become so utterly complex when you give them any manner of thought.

I have a lot of respect for Taoism and I'm glad that you've found faith whilst so many are giving it up. I'm just a bit surprised, I never would of guessed.




Oh Yes i get that alot; Eastern European using a Far Eastern Concept of Viewing Life.

But the thing of it is Taoism fits nicely within my Political views because it states and i believe this to be true that people can be content if they follow the tenants of Humilty, Happiness and Spirtiual Devotion. It resonates well with my belief of the State being the final Arbiter to ensure Humility, Happiness and Spiritual Devotion.

It goes beyond any sense of Self or Individuality, its a Unification Mindset. A Unity based Mindset, I actually got the NIFP party slogan from a paraphraising of a Tao Scroll chant.

I am a supporter of one world government and other ideologies that many find anywhere from Absolute Evil to Laughable in their aims.

Still i have been a Follower of Tao for Years now but it doesn't come up much on NS; I dont't frequent Religion threads or anything so its no susprise you aren't aware but this is a primary factor in my Political belief and i believe it would a primary factor in my senators political belief given that he shares the Religion and similar views to myself.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:07 am

Unicario wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:No, I do respect some of its tenants, but I oppose socialism on the issue of workplace democracy by force.

An more importantly the socialists are pretty powerful as parties go, thus I must band with the others to prevent socialism from ebing established.


"Workplace democracy"? Eh, even I'm kind of shifty on allowing workers to kick the owners around. Yes, there should be fairness, but to the extent where a worker if they don't like the pay they knew they were getting, they can demand their boss be removed? That's a bit harsh.

I think you're forgetting that workplaces don't necessarily have a single owner, but can be owned by the workers themselves.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:08 am

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The Zeonic States wrote:Rutherford Blaine – National Imperialist Freedom Party
Account Name: The Zeonic States
Occupation: Senator/Senatorial Staff/Other (say what it is) Senator
Party Position(s): Sergeant at Arms

Positions in Government:
Senator

Constituency: N/A
Political Ideology: Nationalistic Totalitarian Family: None
Background: An Upper Class Older Gentleman and Former Private Industrialist turned Politician who came to Aurentina to support the Nation in it's Formation in Independence to the British. Educated and Experienced in leading men due to his time in the both Taltos Security of which he is a founding executive and it's Original Security Director and the American Security Concern Blackwater International he is as comfortable leading men into battle as he is discussing Politics.
Faith: Taoist
Likes: Fine Bourbon, Firearms, Politics , Logical Arguments, Strong Nationalistic Sentiment,
Dislikes: Cheese, Bad Historical Novels, Stupidity, Communism, Libertarianism
Any Questions from the Public to be answered? No

A Taoist in the NIFP? Who woulda guessed!

I found it more surprising that a Taoist would even want to be in politics. :p
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Postby Free South Califas » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:19 am

Unicario wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:No, I do respect some of its tenants, but I oppose socialism on the issue of workplace democracy by force.

An more importantly the socialists are pretty powerful as parties go, thus I must band with the others to prevent socialism from ebing established.


"Workplace democracy"? Eh, even I'm kind of shifty on allowing workers to kick the owners around. Yes, there should be fairness, but to the extent where a worker if they don't like the pay they knew they were getting, they can demand their boss be removed? That's a bit harsh.

Who says the bosses weren't all going to be hired back on as consultants? Even the Anarcho-Communist Kropotkin suggested this in 19th century Russia.
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Postby Free South Califas » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:19 am

New Sapienta wrote:Extreme leftism radicalizes people as well as extreme rightism, and that the best way to mediate these extreme sis compromising in the middle. The calm and neutral middle rarely leads to violence.
No centrist has ever started a war, I guess :lol:

New Sapienta wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:My senator is Prince Phillip in his slightly younger days. He isn't a rightist at all. :unsure:

Neither is Ford. But I don't like the several inroads to socialism the Progress Coalition has tried to make.

And in what sense have "candidates failed to compromise" as it seems to claim on your profile? :blink:

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Oneracon wrote:
God forbid workers are allowed to have rights, the environment is protected, and equality for all citizens is guaranteed. :roll:

I'm sorry the worker empowerment act, which was blatantly socialism, dissuaded me from the Coalition entirely.

Did you even ask one single Communist if we were willing to compromise? Did you have any idea that we already have a compromise bill ready? It was in our HQ weeks ago for everyone to see.

Also, "blatantly socialism" :lol: as if someone was trying to hide that it expressed the basic ideology that nearly the left half of the Senate agrees on? Don't worry, I'll shout it from the rooftops!

I don't think anyone pretended WEA was about something other than workers controlling more of the means of production, did they?

I mean, it also instituted any worker protections at all, but hey, no need to fight for those, right? People can just slave away and sell themselves until they're all used up, while you can sit pretty at your little table and continue to sign things.

Oh, sure, radicalism, yeah, extreme socialism, terrible stuff. (ETA, OOC: We have a minimum wage now through the Commerce Ministry Act, but nothing else, which is somewhere between shameful and horrifying, especially since the minimum wage is low and was extracted as a political concession for an awful bill that needs repealed six ways from Sunday.)

New Sapienta wrote:
Unicario wrote:
..You act like us socialists are diseased?

No, I do respect some of its tenants,

Then lower the damn rents already! :lol: Sorry, but it's only fair to have a bit of a laugh when you talk about us like we're lice.

but I oppose socialism on the issue of workplace democracy by force.
Mhm. And the state licensing private businesses to take the product of their workers' labor for weeks on end without payment and without accruing interest, despite their involuntary delayed consumption, is........virtuous? Can you walk me through that one?
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