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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:43 pm

((The irony of using one of America's most leftist politicians as your rightist face. XD))
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:46 pm

Unicario wrote:((The irony of using one of America's most leftist politicians as your rightist face. XD))

:p

I like FDR though, I'm not a super rightist.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:47 pm

Unicario wrote:((The irony of using one of America's most leftist politicians as your rightist face. XD))


Given he he was a "left" american I can see know Irony from your point of view, rather the irony is all from his.
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Postby New Zepuha » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:47 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Unicario wrote:((The irony of using one of America's most leftist politicians as your rightist face. XD))

:p

I like FDR though, I'm not a super rightist.

My senator is Prince Phillip in his slightly younger days. He isn't a rightist at all. :unsure:
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:49 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
New Sapienta wrote: :p

I like FDR though, I'm not a super rightist.

My senator is Prince Phillip in his slightly younger days. He isn't a rightist at all. :unsure:

Neither is Ford. But I don't like the several inroads to socialism the Progress Coalition has tried to make.

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Postby Oneracon » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:54 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:My senator is Prince Phillip in his slightly younger days. He isn't a rightist at all. :unsure:

Neither is Ford. But I don't like the several inroads to socialism the Progress Coalition has tried to make.


God forbid workers are allowed to have rights, the environment is protected, and equality for all citizens is guaranteed. :roll:
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:55 pm

Oneracon wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Neither is Ford. But I don't like the several inroads to socialism the Progress Coalition has tried to make.


God forbid workers are allowed to have rights, the environment is protected, and equality for all citizens is guaranteed. :roll:

I'm sorry the worker empowerment act, which was blatantly socialism, dissuaded me from the Coalition entirely.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:56 pm

Oneracon wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Neither is Ford. But I don't like the several inroads to socialism the Progress Coalition has tried to make.


God forbid workers are allowed to have rights, the environment is protected, and equality for all citizens is guaranteed. :roll:


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Postby Yanalia » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:58 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:My senator is Prince Phillip in his slightly younger days. He isn't a rightist at all. :unsure:

Neither is Ford. But I don't like the several inroads to socialism the Progress Coalition has tried to make.


Could you give an example?
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:59 pm

Yanalia wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Neither is Ford. But I don't like the several inroads to socialism the Progress Coalition has tried to make.


Could you give an example?

The Worker Empowerment Act.

To be honest, way to many of the candidates are socialist for my liking as well.

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Postby Oneracon » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:00 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
Could you give an example?

The Worker Empowerment Act.

To be honest, way to many of the candidates are socialist for my liking as well.


Well hope that the PCs don't completely hate democracy
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Postby Yanalia » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:01 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
Could you give an example?

The Worker Empowerment Act.

To be honest, way to many of the candidates are socialist for my liking as well.


Not sponsored by the coalition, and opposed by half the member parties.

Well, did you expect the socialist half of the coalition to not take any government positions?
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:02 pm

Yanalia wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:The Worker Empowerment Act.

To be honest, way to many of the candidates are socialist for my liking as well.


Not sponsored by the coalition, and opposed by half the member parties.

Well, did you expect the socialist half of the coalition to not take any government positions?

It wasn't, but when %50 of them support it, I still don't like it.

No I didn't expect them not to, which is why I didn't even try to join before the ministries were announced.

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Postby Yanalia » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:03 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
Not sponsored by the coalition, and opposed by half the member parties.

Well, did you expect the socialist half of the coalition to not take any government positions?

It wasn't, but when %50 of them support it, I still don't like it.

No I didn't expect them not to, which is why I didn't even try to join before the ministries were announced.


So it's not that the Progress Coalition has taken a turn to socialism, since it's always contained socialist parties.
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:06 pm

Yanalia wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:It wasn't, but when 50% of them support it, I still don't like it.

No I didn't expect them not to, which is why I didn't even try to join before the ministries were announced.


So it's not that the Progress Coalition has taken a turn to socialism, since it's always contained socialist parties.

I'll take back what I said about the Progress Coalition, but I won't join one where the ratio of people inside are predominantly socialist or even half-way socialist.

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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:15 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
So it's not that the Progress Coalition has taken a turn to socialism, since it's always contained socialist parties.

I'll take back what I said about the Progress Coalition, but I won't join one where the ratio of people inside are predominantly socialist or even half-way socialist.

Even when joining it might reduce that ratio? :eyebrow:
Speaking as a deputy of one of the non-socialist parties there.
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:16 pm

Uiiop wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:I'll take back what I said about the Progress Coalition, but I won't join one where the ratio of people inside are predominantly socialist or even half-way socialist.

Even when joining it might reduce that ratio? :eyebrow:

Me joining wouldn't greatly upset it.

And besides, many of the prominent members either through skill, dedication or party support are socialists.(with obvious exceptions)

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Postby Unicario » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:21 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Even when joining it might reduce that ratio? :eyebrow:

Me joining wouldn't greatly upset it.

And besides, many of the prominent members either through skill, dedication or party support are socialists.(with obvious exceptions)


..You act like us socialists are diseased?
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Postby Ainin » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:24 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Even when joining it might reduce that ratio? :eyebrow:

Me joining wouldn't greatly upset it.

And besides, many of the prominent members either through skill, dedication or party support are socialists.(with obvious exceptions)

Socialists: CP, RG, MSP
Not Socialists: TR, LD, NSP
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:25 pm

Unicario wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Me joining wouldn't greatly upset it.

And besides, many of the prominent members either through skill, dedication or party support are socialists.(with obvious exceptions)


..You act like us socialists are diseased?

No, I do respect some of its tenants, but I oppose socialism on the issue of workplace democracy by force.

An more importantly the socialists are pretty powerful as parties go, thus I must band with the others to prevent socialism from ebing established.

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Postby Unicario » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:27 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Unicario wrote:
..You act like us socialists are diseased?

No, I do respect some of its tenants, but I oppose socialism on the issue of workplace democracy by force.

An more importantly the socialists are pretty powerful as parties go, thus I must band with the others to prevent socialism from ebing established.


"Workplace democracy"? Eh, even I'm kind of shifty on allowing workers to kick the owners around. Yes, there should be fairness, but to the extent where a worker if they don't like the pay they knew they were getting, they can demand their boss be removed? That's a bit harsh.
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:28 pm

Unicario wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:No, I do respect some of its tenants, but I oppose socialism on the issue of workplace democracy by force.

An more importantly the socialists are pretty powerful as parties go, thus I must band with the others to prevent socialism from ebing established.


"Workplace democracy"? Eh, even I'm kind of shifty on allowing workers to kick the owners around. Yes, there should be fairness, but to the extent where a worker if they don't like the pay they knew they were getting, they can demand their boss be removed? That's a bit harsh.

That's the whole idea of socialism. If you don't support it, you aren't really socialist.

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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:28 pm

Ainin wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:Me joining wouldn't greatly upset it.

And besides, many of the prominent members either through skill, dedication or party support are socialists.(with obvious exceptions)

Socialists: CP, RG, MSP
Not Socialists: TR, LD, NSP

I examined the member amounts, I say again, I would not have changed much in numbers.

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Postby Unicario » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:31 pm

New Sapienta wrote:
Unicario wrote:
"Workplace democracy"? Eh, even I'm kind of shifty on allowing workers to kick the owners around. Yes, there should be fairness, but to the extent where a worker if they don't like the pay they knew they were getting, they can demand their boss be removed? That's a bit harsh.

That's the whole idea of socialism. If you don't support it, you aren't really socialist.


I'm more of a social capitalist. I believe in worker enfranchisement (aka unions) and stuff like that, but I don't like the idea of people being able to oust the owners of the business they're employed for.
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:32 pm

Unicario wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:That's the whole idea of socialism. If you don't support it, you aren't really socialist.


I'm more of a social capitalist. I believe in worker enfranchisement (aka unions) and stuff like that, but I don't like the idea of people being able to oust the owners of the business they're employed for.

So why are you a member of a socialist party?

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