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Evraim
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Founded: Dec 29, 2011
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Postby Evraim » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:09 pm

Free South Califas wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
Not so. What an individual does as a result of believing to be acting on behalf of Holy Mother Church is not the fault of Holy Mother Church but of the individual in question. Of course, there are many more circumstances that come into play.

Like their whole lives being structured by the Church?

Like being told by the Church that they would go to heaven if they killed heathens?

Like being told their migraines were visions of God?

I would recommend taking this discussion to the coffee shop. This isn't the place for a debate on religion.

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Byzantium Imperial
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Founded: Jul 22, 2011
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:10 pm

Evraim wrote:
Free South Califas wrote:Like their whole lives being structured by the Church?

Like being told by the Church that they would go to heaven if they killed heathens?

Like being told their migraines were visions of God?

I would recommend taking this discussion to the coffee shop. This isn't the place for a debate on religion.

actually the coffee shop would be the wrong place as well. Lobby is the place for it
New Pyrrhius wrote:Byzantium, eat a Snickers. You become an imperialistic psychopathic dictatorship when you're hungry.

The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Evraim
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Postby Evraim » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:19 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:actually the coffee shop would be the wrong place as well. Lobby is the place for it


We still have the Lobby? Cool.

Castille de Italia wrote:Senator Hunter is still open for questions.

Eugene Katzarow, Bishop wrote:Senator,

I would ask how you developed your theodemocratic political philosophy. Furtherme, how would such a governmental system look and operate in practice?
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CTALNH
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Founded: Jul 18, 2010
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Postby CTALNH » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:47 pm

Mediciano wrote:
CTALNH wrote:
Hmm didn't hear you I was reminiscing the good old days.

Image

That crumbling statue in a decimated building is the good old days? I'm glad to see Soviet quality standards improving.

You should have seen it when it was not crumbling.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
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Mediciano
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Founded: Mar 13, 2013
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Postby Mediciano » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:15 am

CTALNH wrote:
Mediciano wrote:That crumbling statue in a decimated building is the good old days? I'm glad to see Soviet quality standards improving.

You should have seen it when it was not crumbling.

I'm sure it was a very impressive 7 foot tall bronze statue :roll: . Unfortunately, the capitalists may have you beat.
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Kamchastkia
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Postby Kamchastkia » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:15 am

Mediciano wrote:
CTALNH wrote:You should have seen it when it was not crumbling.

I'm sure it was a very impressive 7 foot tall bronze statue :roll: . Unfortunately, the capitalists may have you beat.

Because Statues=bettar country.

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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:24 am

Mediciano wrote:
CTALNH wrote:You should have seen it when it was not crumbling.

I'm sure it was a very impressive 7 foot tall bronze statue :roll: . Unfortunately, the capitalists may have you beat.

6.2 feet actually.
Image
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
"Epicus Doomicus Metallicus"
Radical Anti-Radical Feminist Feminist
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T.I.F: Trans Inclusionary Feminist

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Mediciano
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Postby Mediciano » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:32 am

CTALNH wrote:
Mediciano wrote:I'm sure it was a very impressive 7 foot tall bronze statue :roll: . Unfortunately, the capitalists may have you beat.

6.2 feet actually.
Image

First off, please spoiler your images. Secondly, it doesn't matter what height it is. The point was that, even in it's heyday, this is an incredibly underwhelming statue, hardly worth "reminiscing."

Finally: Why are the "Confidential" stamps and all the writing in English (when it is clearly marked as a Soviet Union document)? Or Nikolai Demichev's name on the original statue (where the rest of the text is in Cyrillic)?
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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:36 am

Mediciano wrote:
CTALNH wrote:6.2 feet actually.
Image

First off, please spoiler your images. Secondly, it doesn't matter what height it is. The point was that, even in it's heyday, this is an incredibly underwhelming statue, hardly worth "reminiscing."

Finally: Why are the "Confidential" stamps and all the writing in English (when it is clearly marked as a Soviet Union document)? Or Nikolai Demichev's name on the original statue (where the rest of the text is in Cyrillic)?

Something to do...Actually better not...Don't want the international criminal court trying to find me.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
"Epicus Doomicus Metallicus"
Radical Anti-Radical Feminist Feminist
S.W.I.F: Sex Worker Inclusionary Feminist.
T.I.F: Trans Inclusionary Feminist

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Mediciano
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Postby Mediciano » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:39 am

CTALNH wrote:Something to do...Actually better not...Don't want the international criminal court trying to find me.

Why would the ICC be interested? I was asking about the reasons for English text rather than the Cyrillic that would be expected.

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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:45 am

Mediciano wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Something to do...Actually better not...Don't want the international criminal court trying to find me.

Why would the ICC be interested? I was asking about the reasons for English text rather than the Cyrillic that would be expected.

Because their translated copies of the originals?
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
"Epicus Doomicus Metallicus"
Radical Anti-Radical Feminist Feminist
S.W.I.F: Sex Worker Inclusionary Feminist.
T.I.F: Trans Inclusionary Feminist

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Mediciano
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Founded: Mar 13, 2013
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Postby Mediciano » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:18 am

CTALNH wrote:
Mediciano wrote:Why would the ICC be interested? I was asking about the reasons for English text rather than the Cyrillic that would be expected.

Because their translated copies of the originals?

*they're
And why would they keep the Soviet stamps and formatting? If the ICC has a document translated (especially for a dossier) they:
a) keep it in better condition than these and
b) retype it into a nice, easy to read format with proper ICC watermarks and identification on 8 1/2 x 11 inch sheets of archival paper.

I call BS. And you still have to Spoiler that image. It's very space consuming. Actually, you know what's space consuming? This argument. Let's end it now.
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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:36 am

Senator von Hohenzollern is now a member of the Red-Greens.
Dai Ginkaigan Teikoku
Head of State: Ranko XIX Tentai
Ruling party is the Zenminjintō (Socialist Coalition)
Ginkaigan is currently at peace.

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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:22 pm

Mediciano wrote:
CTALNH wrote:You should have seen it when it was not crumbling.

I'm sure it was a very impressive 7 foot tall bronze statue :roll: . Unfortunately, the capitalists may have you beat.

You forgot the best ones!

The South loves its freedom fighters. And those are all on one street in Richmond Virginia!
I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. ― William S. Burroughs


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Old Tyrannia
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:27 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Mediciano wrote:I'm sure it was a very impressive 7 foot tall bronze statue :roll: . Unfortunately, the capitalists may have you beat.

You forgot the best ones!

The South loves its freedom fighters. And those are all on one street in Richmond Virginia!

Well, in the Communists' defence...
Anglican monarchist, paternalistic conservative and Christian existentialist.
"It is spiritless to think that you cannot attain to that which you have seen and heard the masters attain. The masters are men. You are also a man. If you think that you will be inferior in doing something, you will be on that road very soon."
- Yamamoto Tsunetomo
⚜ GOD SAVE THE KING

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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:31 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You forgot the best ones!

The South loves its freedom fighters. And those are all on one street in Richmond Virginia!

Well, in the Communists' defence...

i concede that that is one really fucking badass statue. But we have a massive gate... And besides, that's one big concrete thing, compared to thousands across the USA and Europe. The Communists had most of theirs torn down. :p
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The question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. ― William S. Burroughs


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Eliasonia
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Postby Eliasonia » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:00 pm

╬ The Iron Party ╬
Liberals: Promoting Freedom, unless it's guns, hunting, tobacco, food, what you can drive, how much money you can make, what you can say, and where you can pray
Maineiacs wrote:There once was a man from Belfast
Whose balls were constructed of brass.
In stormy weather
They'd clang together
And lightening shot out of his ass. :D

New East Ireland wrote:
East germanias wrote:no"
*continues to cry*

*Gives a stuffed Hath doll*
Here you go.. When you squeeze its weenier, it talks and shoots fire from it's eyes..

Mushet wrote:
Necro-Paroom wrote:*Leaks pus*

*leaks cum*
:blush: I'm just very excited to be here
Economic Left/Right: 3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.31
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Byzantium Imperial
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:02 pm

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=240308&p=14792518#p14792518
The senator has died for his defiance of the mafia. A new senator shall be elected shortly
New Pyrrhius wrote:Byzantium, eat a Snickers. You become an imperialistic psychopathic dictatorship when you're hungry.

The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
Proud member of The Anti Democracy League
Senator Willem de Ruyter of the Civic Reform Party

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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:13 am

Unicario wrote:Senator von Hohenzollern is now a member of the Red-Greens.

*chokes*
I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. ― William S. Burroughs


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Forster Keys
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Postby Forster Keys » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:26 am

Francisco "Paco" Alvarez - Communist Party
Account Name: Forster Keys
Occupation: Senator
Party Position(s): MP
Positions in Government: Senator
Constituency: Gravenrood
Political Ideology: Anarcho-Communist
Family: Anna Koralyeva
Background: Emigre from the civil wars of Europe, Francisco grew up the son of a dock-worker. Laid off in a financial recession, Francisco joined a radical union movement, and soon began to study anarchist and socialist literature. He participated in the abortive April Uprising, which forced him into hiding and then exile. After participating in class struggle across the world, Francisco moved to Aurentina with long time partner Anna Koralyeva, the perfect crucible of a new world revolution.
Faith: Agnostic
Likes: Alcoholic spirits, card games, reading, soccer, socialising.
Dislikes: Wines, soft music, greed, cruelty.
Any Questions from the Public to be answered?
  • *crickets* -
The blue sky above beckons us to take our freedom, to paint our path across its vastness. Across a million blades of grass, through the roars of our elation and a thousand thundering hooves, we begin our reply.

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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:28 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Unicario wrote:Senator von Hohenzollern is now a member of the Red-Greens.

*chokes*

OH wait what?
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
"Epicus Doomicus Metallicus"
Radical Anti-Radical Feminist Feminist
S.W.I.F: Sex Worker Inclusionary Feminist.
T.I.F: Trans Inclusionary Feminist

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Byzantium Imperial
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:29 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Unicario wrote:Senator von Hohenzollern is now a member of the Red-Greens.

*chokes*

When did that happen...

and more importantly, even if you were at the left end of the party, how can you flip from NIFP to Red Greens?
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New Pyrrhius wrote:Byzantium, eat a Snickers. You become an imperialistic psychopathic dictatorship when you're hungry.

The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
Proud member of The Anti Democracy League
Senator Willem de Ruyter of the Civic Reform Party

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Forster Keys
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Postby Forster Keys » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:31 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You forgot the best ones!

The South loves its freedom fighters. And those are all on one street in Richmond Virginia!

Well, in the Communists' defence...


It's a little cold out on the steppe, evidently.
The blue sky above beckons us to take our freedom, to paint our path across its vastness. Across a million blades of grass, through the roars of our elation and a thousand thundering hooves, we begin our reply.

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Afalia
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Founded: Jul 21, 2009
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Postby Afalia » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:54 pm

Mark Wilshaw -Progressive-Conservative Party*
Account Name: Afalia
Occupation: Senator
Party Position(s): None presently.
Positions in Government: None presently.
Constituency: 464-Stagëlze
Political Ideology: Progressive Conservatism, Socially liberal, fiscally moderate to conservative,
Family: Wife-Mona/Child-James-12
Background: Mark Wilshaw was born in Britain in the 1960s, the only child of a prosperous middle class family. Whilst he did not have the same privileges as many of his upper class friends, Mark-motivated by his hardworking and generous parents, grew to believe that his decent position in life meant he had to give something back to the world. He began work as a civil servant in Britain and married his wife Mona in the early 90s. However Mark still felt his work was not having the desired effect he wanted, nor was he fulfilling his promise to himself to give back something to the world. Because of this, he packed up shop and came to Aurentina.
Faith: Christianity-(Anglican)
Likes: Cinema, Football, Cricket
Dislikes: Too much patriotism, corruption, macaroni cheese,
Any Questions from the Public to be answered? N/A

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New Sapienta
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Founded: Sep 28, 2011
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Postby New Sapienta » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:23 pm

John Ford - The Progressive Conservative Party(PC)
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Account Name: New Sapienta
Occupation: Senator
Party Position(s): Member
Positions in Government:
Senator

Constituency: N/A
Political Ideology: Centrist Capitalism and Social Libertarianism
Family: Rosaline Ford- Wife
George Ford- Son
Background: After serving for years as a historian and lawyer, and after serving a tour in the military after college, John Ford has since focused on his political career. Now, he focuses on the administration of the country, and focuses on multiple subjects, including Defense, Foreign Affair, and Internal Affairs. A staunch enemy of Radicalism, the power of the Leftist-groups within the Senate greatly disturbs him, and therefore John Ford is a loud proponent of the Progressive-Conservative Party and the Alliance for Aurentina.

However, John Ford is not a complete rightist, he is much more of a centrist. Favoring some measure like universal healthcare and a progressive tax system, Ford would not be entirely against the Progress-Coalition were it not for their attempts at socialism in the past and the refusal of compromise by their candidates.
Faith: Atheist
Likes: Civility, peace, and prosperity
Dislikes: Radicalism, Communism, and Fascism
Any Questions from the Public to be answered?
  • You loudly proclaim about the evils of radicalism, why? -That is a good question, for one, this radicalism displayed by the far-left and far-right has proven throughout history that it leads to violence. Extreme leftism radicalizes people as well as extreme rightism, and that the best way to mediate these extreme sis compromising in the middle. The calm and neutral middle rarely leads to violence.
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