NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate]

[Phing Phong]

The President may:

As the only Constitution we have is that of the Senate, and there is nothing in that document which this particular vote (as flawed as the way it has been conducted may be) has contradicted, I do not think the President has the power to do as he has suggested.

Technically he can if he provides what he finds to be a full explanation. He an only do it once though.

Ah, I see. Due to the lack of separation of powers we currently have, the President does have that legal authority.

[Yanalia]

Executive Reform Act | Authors: Slazliyka, Great Nepal, Owen Tarniff

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Council: 21
Executive: 31
Nay/Status Quo Ante: 12
Abstain: 7

[Free South Califas]

Is it just me or is it sort of implied that administrators would interpret the constitutionality after hearing Wolfmanne's case?

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Is it just me or is it sort of implied that administrators would interpret the constitutionality after hearing Wolfmanne's case?

Even though in most countries they have a court for that, I believe yes.

[Rumostan]

Well this has been a complete waste of Senate time...

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Well this has been a complete waste of Senate time...

Why?

[Rumostan]

Well this has been a complete waste of Senate time...

Why?

Nothing is going to change and it was practically impossible that anything would anyway.

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Why?

Nothing is going to change and it was practically impossible that anything would anyway.

I don't think it was a waste. Things could have changed but the Senate voted against it.

[Maklohi Vai]

Is it just me or is it sort of implied that administrators would interpret the constitutionality after hearing Wolfmanne's case?

I suppose it was implied previously, but if indeed he issued a veto, the other admins would review it.

[Rumostan]

Nothing is going to change and it was practically impossible that anything would anyway.

I don't think it was a waste. Things could have changed but the Senate voted against it.

Yes but we must look at this realistically, was there any chance that the Senators would vote for a change? I think not, instead we have wasted 72 hours which could have been used to say yay or nay to other bills that had a chance of succeeding.

[Beta Test]

I don't think it was a waste. Things could have changed but the Senate voted against it.

Yes but we must look at this realistically, was there any chance that the Senators would vote for a change? I think not, instead we have wasted 72 hours which could have been used to say yay or nay to other bills that had a chance of succeeding.

It came within 10 votes, I think there was always the possibility of change.

[Rumostan]

Yes but we must look at this realistically, was there any chance that the Senators would vote for a change? I think not, instead we have wasted 72 hours which could have been used to say yay or nay to other bills that had a chance of succeeding.

It came within 10 votes, I think there was always the possibility of change.

It won't happen though, we need something to sort out the state of our Government which will not impede in our law making and Governance. Fr the moment though, we will occasionally waste a few days on trying to change how we rule Aurentia.

[Free South Califas]

Is it just me or is it sort of implied that administrators would interpret the constitutionality after hearing Wolfmanne's case?

Even though in most countries they have a court for that, I believe yes.

OOC: Wolfmanne's Judicial Act, which we passed, provides a Supreme Court. However, I';m not sure whether it has jurisdiction over this. If it does, the only way for it to be meaningful is for Administration decisions to be interpreted as SC decisions as necessary. JMHO.

Is it just me or is it sort of implied that administrators would interpret the constitutionality after hearing Wolfmanne's case?

I suppose it was implied previously, but if indeed he issued a veto, the other admins would review it.

That's good to hear. After all, he does have to justify it. THanks for the clarification.

[The Nihilistic view]

Time has just passed. Both bills fail.

[Rumostan]

Time has just passed. Both bills fail.

Can we now get on with debating legislation?

[The Nihilistic view]

Time has just passed. Both bills fail.

Can we now get on with debating legislation?

Yep, I have a speech to make in a few minutes. But feel free to carry on, I need to format it.

[Rumostan]

Can we now get on with debating legislation?

Yep, I have a speech to make in a few minutes. But feel free to carry on, I need to format it.

Oh no, I was going to go to sleep irl but since its the summer holidays and I'm not doing anything tomorrow, I can wait.

[The Nihilistic view]

The Lord Alexander Boris De Pheffel William Johnson of the Classical monarchist party (CMP), senator for Bishoveen-öm-Wüldersee will now take to the floor.

Thank you mister speaker,

Dear senators,

Now I have spent the last few day's soul searching. For you see the little incident with Otto Karl Ludwig the party president the other day struck a cord with me. In my heart I am a monarchist but a monarchist who believes in British parliamentary constitutional democracy and as such I cannot remain in the classical monarchist party any longer. My loyalty to the Queen will never die but I must with a heavy heart respectfully resign my party membership at this time. I must leave as I disagree with the authoritarian way in which Otto Karl Ludwig tries to run the party, as well as his policy of knee-jerk reactions to incidents and issues before being in possession of the full facts. These are both totally at odds with my political beliefs and my moral belief's, as well as being very irresponsible for a man in such a position as he. Let it be known that nobody else in the party should feel their actions bear any responsibility for my resignation.

It was a hard decision to take as I have many friends in the alliance and I must ask you to understand my position and accept my humblest apologies at leaving you at this moment in time. Especially those of you in the NIFP, you will always have my respect and friendship.

Thus I now turn to my second political love, that of secularism with regards to the state and the church and of the equal treatment of all people within our nation. It is a measure of how high a regard that I hold the monarchy that I have until this point happily put my other beliefs to oneside in pursuit of this goal. Thus whilst I have quite often found I have been voting against my conscience I have not found it difficult to bear. Whilst I did not have problem with it whilst striving for the goal of monarchy I find I can no reason to vote in favor of the whims of one man. Especially if he does not respect the fine caucus of senators that make up the classical monarchist party and who I have been lucky to find myself among these last few months. I thank you all for your work and friendship.

For this reason I feel it is no longer worth the personal sacrifice and it will remain so until such time as Otto Karl Ludwig is no longer president of the party. I will in respect of this, from this moment on, be a Senator representing the Liberal Democrat party. Finally I must thank Wulukuno for his guidance as a good friend over the last week in this matter. I highly regard his judgment in all things.

Nam monarchia daturum me vitae meae, Salve Regina!

That is all, thank you Mr speaker.

[Blassland]

I applaud your speech and your resolve to fight for the good of Aurentina, all senators share your resolve to do good for our great nation. When party views are disregarded, at heart, all we want is for Aurentina to prosper, you have made a truly courageous decision. I hope your choice was the right one.

[Rumostan]

The Lord Alexander Boris De Pheffel William Johnson of the Classical monarchist party (CMP), senator for Bishoveen-öm-Wüldersee will now take to the floor.

Thank you mister speaker,

Dear senators,

Now I have spent the last few day's soul searching. For you see the little incident with Otto Karl Ludwig the party president the other day struck a cord with me. In my heart I am a monarchist but a monarchist who believes in British parliamentary constitutional democracy and as such I cannot remain in the classical monarchist party any longer. My loyalty to the Queen will never die but I must with a heavy heart respectfully resign my party membership at this time. I must leave as I disagree with the authoritarian way in which Otto Karl Ludwig tries to run the party, as well as his policy of knee-jerk reactions to incidents and issues before being in possession of the full facts. These are both totally at odds with my political beliefs and my moral belief's, as well as being very irresponsible for a man in such a position as he. Let it be known that nobody else in the party should feel their actions bear any responsibility for my resignation.

It was a hard decision to take as I have many friends in the alliance and I must ask you to understand my position and accept my humblest apologies at leaving you at this moment in time. Especially those of you in the NIFP, you will always have my respect and friendship.

Thus I now turn to my second political love, that of secularism with regards to the state and the church and of the equal treatment of all people within our nation. It is a measure of how high a regard that I hold the monarchy that I have until this point happily put my other beliefs to oneside in pursuit of this goal. Thus whilst I have quite often found I have been voting against my conscience I have not found it difficult to bear. Whilst I did not have problem with it whilst striving for the goal of monarchy I find I can no reason to vote in favor of the whims of one man. Especially if he does not respect the fine caucus of senators that make up the classical monarchist party and who I have been lucky to find myself among these last few months. I thank you all for your work and friendship.

For this reason I feel it is no longer worth the personal sacrifice and it will remain so until such time as Otto Karl Ludwig is no longer president of the party. I will in respect of this, from this moment on, be a Senator representing the Liberal Democrat party. Finally I must thank Wulukuno for his guidance as a good friend over the last week in this matter. I highly regard his judgment in all things.

Nam monarchia daturum me vitae meae, Salve Regina!

That is all, thank you Mr speaker.

Senator Johnson stood up as the gasps died down.

'This is sad news, especially when it comes from one of the CMP's core members. But, I for one applaud the Senator for sticking to his beliefs and not warping the, for other people. Yes we may mourn his loss but we must remember that he is still a Monarchist at heart. The little incident which the Senator speaks of did seem a bit rash from our Lord President but it seems has had further reaching consequences that one might have expected. You would therefore not need to apologise because even though some may be disheartened and even angry with you, we know that you are doing what you think is right for you, our Senate and Aurentia which means that we should not disregard this man.

I do ask though for one answer, why did you not say anything sooner? Why did you wait until now to voice your opinion?

[Ainin]

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[Beta Test]

The Lord Alexander Boris De Pheffel William Johnson of the Classical monarchist party (CMP), senator for Bishoveen-öm-Wüldersee will now take to the floor.

Thank you mister speaker,

Dear senators,

Now I have spent the last few day's soul searching. For you see the little incident with Otto Karl Ludwig the party president the other day struck a cord with me. In my heart I am a monarchist but a monarchist who believes in British parliamentary constitutional democracy and as such I cannot remain in the classical monarchist party any longer. My loyalty to the Queen will never die but I must with a heavy heart respectfully resign my party membership at this time. I must leave as I disagree with the authoritarian way in which Otto Karl Ludwig tries to run the party, as well as his policy of knee-jerk reactions to incidents and issues before being in possession of the full facts. These are both totally at odds with my political beliefs and my moral belief's, as well as being very irresponsible for a man in such a position as he. Let it be known that nobody else in the party should feel their actions bear any responsibility for my resignation.

It was a hard decision to take as I have many friends in the alliance and I must ask you to understand my position and accept my humblest apologies at leaving you at this moment in time. Especially those of you in the NIFP, you will always have my respect and friendship.

Thus I now turn to my second political love, that of secularism with regards to the state and the church and of the equal treatment of all people within our nation. It is a measure of how high a regard that I hold the monarchy that I have until this point happily put my other beliefs to oneside in pursuit of this goal. Thus whilst I have quite often found I have been voting against my conscience I have not found it difficult to bear. Whilst I did not have problem with it whilst striving for the goal of monarchy I find I can no reason to vote in favor of the whims of one man. Especially if he does not respect the fine caucus of senators that make up the classical monarchist party and who I have been lucky to find myself among these last few months. I thank you all for your work and friendship.

For this reason I feel it is no longer worth the personal sacrifice and it will remain so until such time as Otto Karl Ludwig is no longer president of the party. I will in respect of this, from this moment on, be a Senator representing the Liberal Democrat party. Finally I must thank Wulukuno for his guidance as a good friend over the last week in this matter. I highly regard his judgment in all things.

Nam monarchia daturum me vitae meae, Salve Regina!

That is all, thank you Mr speaker.

Welcome to the party, Boris!

[Rumostan]

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tags. It screws with the forum display.

So it has, I will change it now.

[The Nihilistic view]

The Lord Alexander Boris De Pheffel William Johnson of the Classical monarchist party (CMP), senator for Bishoveen-öm-Wüldersee will now take to the floor.

Senator Johnson stood up as the gasps died down.

'This is sad news, especially when it comes from one of the CMP's core members. But, I for one applaud the Senator for sticking to his beliefs and not warping the, for other people. Yes we may mourn his loss but we must remember that he is still a Monarchist at heart. The little incident which the Senator speaks of did seem a bit rash from our Lord President but it seems has had further reaching consequences that one might have expected. You would therefore not need to apologise because even though some may be disheartened and even angry with you, we know that you are doing what you think is right for you, our Senate and Aurentia which means that we should not disregard this man.

I do ask though for one answer, why did you not say anything sooner? Why did you wait until now to voice your opinion?

It was not a decision I took lightly, It took around four days to make up my mind about, by then this current vote had only just started so I preferred to wait until the vote was over to make the speech. I do feel a great affinity with the party members and it was tough to have to leave you. I am not saying it is the end of my journey with the party in the future, but the end of my journey with the current president.

[Rumostan]

Senator Johnson stood up as the gasps died down./quote]




It was not a decision I took lightly, It took around four days to make up my mind about, by then this current vote had only just started so I preferred to wait until the vote was over to make the speech. I do feel a great affinity with the party members and it was tough to have to leave you. I am not saying it is the end of my journey with the party in the future, but the end of my journey with the current president.

I see well we shall have to wait for our Lord President's comment on this. I wish you luck on your new journey once again and hope that you do one day return to our party.