NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate]

[Maklohi Vai]

According to an admin ruling, the first government's term is already over:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=239510&p=14967622&hilit=term+ends#p14967622

I made that ruling, and it was under the presumption that a new PM would be appointed on the same day. As one wasn't, FreeSoc's government actually continued, and is still in charge until a new PM is voted in.

[The Realm of God]

We need to call a general election then.

No, President remains for two month, Ministers for one.

Then a cabinet election. Which I would imagine be like a general election without voting on the head of state.

[Ainin]

According to an admin ruling, the first government's term is already over:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=239510&p=14967622&hilit=term+ends#p14967622

I made that ruling, and it was under the presumption that a new PM would be appointed on the same day. As one wasn't, FreeSoc's government actually continued, and is still in charge until a new PM is voted in.

So he's currently caretaker PM?

[The Realm of God]

I made that ruling, and it was under the presumption that a new PM would be appointed on the same day. As one wasn't, FreeSoc's government actually continued, and is still in charge until a new PM is voted in.

So he's currently caretaker PM?

Well he's inactive for a start.

[The Nihilistic view]

I too oppose the motion to bring to vote the appointment or not of John as PM.

Oh and what do you think about my post at the top of the page?

Oh right. I appreciate your attention to the issue, Senator. I am glad to hear that parents still have the option of choosing a school accredited with these issues in mind. While the current bills being debated don't put much of a limit on private schools, I'm interested in pursuing a workable system with future legislation specific to those issues (beyond the amendments I've already proposed).

Yes currently private education has more requirements on it than public schools. Bet you never thought you would ever see that in this nation .

Private schools need to be seen as better than the state sector for there to be demand for them so they have an interest in going above and beyond as it were. This will be the role of the AISC (Autentine independent schools council) and hope that the government will recognize the body as that representing the private sector and take on board our advice based on the way private schools do things in the UK as we plan to continue along the same line.

[Great Nepal]

Sixth.

Seventh.

Just reposting this here to ensure the motion doesn't get drowned. Oh and RoG we could do with a eight here..

[Yanalia]

Seventh.

Just reposting this here to ensure the motion doesn't get drowned. Oh and RoG we could do with a eight here..

I was hoping it would, actually.

[The Nihilistic view]

We need to call a general election then.

No, President remains for two month, Ministers for one.

Which bill says ministers only last for 1 month?

[Yanalia]

No, President remains for two month, Ministers for one.

Which bill says ministers only last for 1 month?

REA.

[Free South Califas]

I'm new to this, so forgive me if I've misunderstood, but isn't there typically an election and/or a confidence vote before a PM is replaced?

Yes, for a PM appointment to carry a vote of confidence must carry. That vote must be motioned to the top of the senate's priorities before it can be held.

Ah right, wouldn't we need a vote of no confidence in the current PM and such? I must say, rushing to do all this before the other coalitions can assemble a ballot leaves a rather undemocratic taste.

[Yanalia]

Yes, for a PM appointment to carry a vote of confidence must carry. That vote must be motioned to the top of the senate's priorities before it can be held.

Ah right, wouldn't we need a vote of no confidence in the current PM and such? I must say, rushing to do all this before the other coalitions can assemble a ballot leaves a rather undemocratic taste.

No. The current PM's term ended.

[The Nihilistic view]

Which bill says ministers only last for 1 month?

REA.

That seems to say all positions are appointed for the first month whilst for the second month all ministers are elected. How does that make sense? The two parts below contradict each other, our constitution does not work!I told you all monarchy was better! Its simple and easy to get right and so god dam glorious!

B. The Prime Minister shall appoint all other Ministers with the confidence of parliament, and shall have the power to dismiss them.

III. Any person serving as a Senator shall be eligible to hold executive office.
- A. Ministers shall old office for a term not exceeding one month. One month after the previous election, the Senate shall hold elections for the members of the Council of Ministers, but neither sitting Ministers nor previous Ministers shall be barred from election.

This implies that elections should be held for PM and not motion of confidence in the usurpers choice (wolf) . Candidates from all parties should be able to stand. It also implies the usurper can appoint a PM, same goes for the other ministers of the council.

[The Realm of God]

REA.

That seems to say all positions are appointed for the first month whilst for the second month all ministers are elected. How does that make sense? The two parts below contradict each other, our constitution does not work!I told you all monarchy was better! Its simple and easy to get right and so god dam glorious!

B. The Prime Minister shall appoint all other Ministers with the confidence of parliament, and shall have the power to dismiss them.

III. Any person serving as a Senator shall be eligible to hold executive office.
- A. Ministers shall old office for a term not exceeding one month. One month after the previous election, the Senate shall hold elections for the members of the Council of Ministers, but neither sitting Ministers nor previous Ministers shall be barred from election.

Looks like we need to go back to the coffee shop.

[Geilinor]

That seems to say all positions are appointed for the first month whilst for the second month all ministers are elected. How does that make sense? The two parts below contradict each other, our constitution does not work!I told you all monarchy was better! Its simple and easy to get right and so god dam glorious!

Looks like we need to go back to the coffee shop.

We've made some oversights.

[The Realm of God]

Looks like we need to go back to the coffee shop.

We've made some oversights.

Well we need a Constitution, I say we assemble a convention.

[Geilinor]

So he's currently caretaker PM?

Well he's inactive for a start.

I don't think we can remove him though. It's pointless to hold a vote of no confidence now, because the term ends very soon.

[Great Nepal]

Well he's inactive for a start.

I don't think we can remove him though. It's pointless to hold a vote of no confidence now, because the term ends very soon.

His term already ended, he is now serving in caretaker position. When current appointment motion goes through vote, he will be replaced.

[Maklohi Vai]

Essentially, FreeSoc is caretaker PM and will remain so until another one is voted in. It's fairly simple, people. He stays until someone else comes.

[Gothmogs]

Sixth.

Seventh.

Eighth

[Uiiop]

Seventh.

Eighth

Ninth

[Free South Califas]

Friendly Amendments to Public Education Act for Students with Disabilities and Different Needs
...

These have been added to the following draft, which I move to replace the current Public Education Act in the omnibus immediately, please fifth this if you agree with the Friendly Amendments for disabled students, as the author does:

Public Education Act

Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Original co-sponsors: Costa Algeria (PC), The Realm of God (PC), Geilinor (LD), Zweite Alaje (NI)

Author and current sponsor: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Current co-sponsors: Saul Califas (C), Wulukuno Maklohi Porunalakai (LD), Pesda (RG)

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.

2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 10,500 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for each 1,500 hours of school missed, and either 3,000 hours of community service to begin as soon as feasible or 3 months of jail to begin as soon as the parent's obligation to directly care for, support the care of, or raise funds for the child has ended or as soon as it becomes impossible for the parent to reasonably provide same for each 1,500 hours of school missed.

2a. The minimum number of hours required for each particular student may be reduced by consensus of at least two professionals, currently licensed in fields relevant to evaluating that student's individual medical or ability-related needs, who have a substantial history of working directly with the student, as necessary to prevent the student's needless suffering. To the greatest legally and medically possible extent, the same minimum standards of academic achievement must be retained in any case.

3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.

4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.

5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.

6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.

7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.

8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.

9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school described as such in this Act.

10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.

11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.

12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 10 grade levels comprised of at least 1,050 instructional hours.

13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.

14. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.

15. There shall be 5 days in the school week, each comprising of 7 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess don't count towards this number of hours. Schools must have at least 30 school weeks per year. This shall only be enforced at public schools.

15a. The following exceptions shall be provided on an individual basis as necessary to prevent that student's needless suffering, by consensus of at least two professionals currently licensed in fields relevant to evaluating that student's individual medical- or ability-related needs who have a significant history of working directly with the student. To the greatest legally and medically possible extent, the same minimum standards of academic achievement must be retained in any case.

15a1. The minimum number of days attended in each week may be reduced to no fewer than three (3).

15a2. The minimum number of instruction hours attended in each week may be reduced as little as required to achieve this goal.

15a3. More frequent breaks may be allowed which might not be subtracted from the number of instruction hours reported, although it is recommended that this only be used in cases of autism, developmental disorders, attentional or post-traumatic stress conditions being treated, chronic pain conditions, emotional dysfunctions which could otherwise disrupt the learning environment, etc.

16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.

17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.

18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.

19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.

[The Nihilistic view]

Friendly Amendments to Public Education Act for Students with Disabilities and Different Needs
...

These have been added to the following draft, which I move to replace the current Public Education Act in the omnibus immediately, please third this if you agree with the Friendly Amendments as the author does:

Public Education Act

Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Original co-sponsors: Costa Algeria (PC), The Realm of God (PC), Geilinor (LD), Zweite Alaje (NI)

Author and current sponsor: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsors: Saul Califas (C)

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.

2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 10,500 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for each 1,500 hours of school missed, and either 3,000 hours of community service to begin as soon as feasible or 3 months of jail to begin as soon as the parent's obligation to directly care for, support the care of, or raise funds for the child has ended or as soon as it becomes impossible for the parent to reasonably provide same for each 1,500 hours of school missed.

2a. The minimum number of hours required for each particular student may be reduced by consensus of at least two professionals, currently licensed in fields relevant to evaluating that student's individual medical or ability-related needs, who have a substantial history of working directly with the student, as necessary to prevent the student's needless suffering. To the greatest legally and medically possible extent, the same minimum standards of academic achievement must be retained in any case.

3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.

4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.

5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.

6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.

7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.

8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.

9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school described as such in this Act.

10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.

11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.

12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 10 grade levels comprised of at least 1,050 instructional hours.

13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.

14. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.

15. There shall be 5 days in the school week, each comprising of 7 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess don't count towards this number of hours. Schools must have at least 30 school weeks per year. This shall only be enforced at public schools.

15a. The following exceptions shall be provided on an individual basis as necessary to prevent that student's needless suffering, by consensus of at least two professionals currently licensed in fields relevant to evaluating that student's individual medical- or ability-related needs who have a significant history of working directly with the student. To the greatest legally and medically possible extent, the same minimum standards of academic achievement must be retained in any case.

15a1. The minimum number of days attended in each week may be reduced to no fewer than three (3).

15a2. The minimum number of instruction hours attended in each week may be reduced as little as required to achieve this goal.

15a3. More frequent breaks may be allowed which might not be subtracted from the number of instruction hours reported, although it is recommended that this only be used in cases of autism, developmental disorders, attentional or post-traumatic stress conditions being treated, chronic pain conditions, emotional dysfunctions which could otherwise disrupt the learning environment, etc.

16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.

17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.

18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.

19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.

It may have escaped your notice but a year does not have 10,500 hours in it!

And fuck the grade system right up the arse!

[Free South Califas]

These have been added to the following draft, which I move to replace the current Public Education Act in the omnibus immediately, please third this if you agree with the Friendly Amendments as the author does:

Public Education Act

Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Original co-sponsors: Costa Algeria (PC), The Realm of God (PC), Geilinor (LD), Zweite Alaje (NI)

Author and current sponsor: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsors: Saul Califas (C)

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.

2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 10,500 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for each 1,500 hours of school missed, and either 3,000 hours of community service to begin as soon as feasible or 3 months of jail to begin as soon as the parent's obligation to directly care for, support the care of, or raise funds for the child has ended or as soon as it becomes impossible for the parent to reasonably provide same for each 1,500 hours of school missed.

2a. The minimum number of hours required for each particular student may be reduced by consensus of at least two professionals, currently licensed in fields relevant to evaluating that student's individual medical or ability-related needs, who have a substantial history of working directly with the student, as necessary to prevent the student's needless suffering. To the greatest legally and medically possible extent, the same minimum standards of academic achievement must be retained in any case.

3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.

4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.

5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.

6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.

7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.

8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.

9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school described as such in this Act.

10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.

11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.

12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 10 grade levels comprised of at least 1,050 instructional hours.

13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.

14. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.

15. There shall be 5 days in the school week, each comprising of 7 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess don't count towards this number of hours. Schools must have at least 30 school weeks per year. This shall only be enforced at public schools.

15a. The following exceptions shall be provided on an individual basis as necessary to prevent that student's needless suffering, by consensus of at least two professionals currently licensed in fields relevant to evaluating that student's individual medical- or ability-related needs who have a significant history of working directly with the student. To the greatest legally and medically possible extent, the same minimum standards of academic achievement must be retained in any case.

15a1. The minimum number of days attended in each week may be reduced to no fewer than three (3).

15a2. The minimum number of instruction hours attended in each week may be reduced as little as required to achieve this goal.

15a3. More frequent breaks may be allowed which might not be subtracted from the number of instruction hours reported, although it is recommended that this only be used in cases of autism, developmental disorders, attentional or post-traumatic stress conditions being treated, chronic pain conditions, emotional dysfunctions which could otherwise disrupt the learning environment, etc.

16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.

17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.

18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.

19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.

It may have escaped your notice but a year does not have 10,500 hours in it!

I noticed, but it may have escaped the Senator's notice that only in his imagination does that part specify "in a year".

[The Nihilistic view]

It may have escaped your notice but a year does not have 10,500 hours in it!

It seems to have escaped your notice that only in your imagination does that part specify "in a year".

That is only 2 hours of school a day, taking account for holiday that's just 3 hours. Still a joke.

EDIT: I don't support this either, children have enough pressure in later years without this and I do not support holding pupils back years, Our system should be like that of the UK where there are no tests until GCSE Equverlent age that have a bearing on your school year retakes etc. No child should have to go through the ignominy of being held back and separated from his/her friends, It is cruel, heartless and lacks any understanding on how fragile and perceptive a young child can be!

12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 10 grade levels comprised of at least 1,050 instructional hours.

13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.

[Blassland]

Eighth

Ninth

Tenth