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Postby Free South Califas » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:27 pm

ETA: kind of an ideal-world discussion below i guess...still have to draft my amendments later
That's all somewhat comforting if it's uniformly as you say. Still, we've had deregulation for a while now, and I haven't seen a lot of private-school proposals with strict monitoring of services and equality for students with different needs and abilities. Nor have I seen any requirement proposed in legislation to have the private schools run by charities or even by non-profit organizations generally.

If you want charities to operate schools with some freedom from government administration, which as a libertarian I'm sympathetic to, my thinking is this:

Have a minimum national curriculum which prepares all students more-or-less equally to be successful in their own ways later; have all pre/primary/secondary schools connected in a national federation where the state only has the power to monitor/enforce equality and conduct meetings as necessary;

Many/most of these schools may be public schools, which then will have their own state/district control, and free schools may be established as well, which may be operated by councils of charity organizers, education professionals with relevant experience, and/or elected parents, teachers, and/or students.

They have to provide the minimum standards, equality of opportunity as described above (including equally qualified teachers, a big problem in US public schools), and a safe nonviolent learning environment with free speech (since students are to be cooped up over their ability to consent, and they must be allowed to develop politically and culturally as they choose). Students may freely attend any school that they choose and may transfer whenever they choose, as long as they're not generating so much work that it disturbs the general learning environment.

Within those guidelines, the charity of your choice can also offer classes about theater lighting, religion, cosmology, practical anarchy, veterinary surgery, or whatever.

Thoughts?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:24 pm

Free South Califas wrote:ETA: kind of an ideal-world discussion below i guess...still have to draft my amendments later
That's all somewhat comforting if it's uniformly as you say. Still, we've had deregulation for a while now, and I haven't seen a lot of private-school proposals with strict monitoring of services and equality for students with different needs and abilities. Nor have I seen any requirement proposed in legislation to have the private schools run by charities or even by non-profit organizations generally.

If you want charities to operate schools with some freedom from government administration, which as a libertarian I'm sympathetic to, my thinking is this:

Have a minimum national curriculum which prepares all students more-or-less equally to be successful in their own ways later; have all pre/primary/secondary schools connected in a national federation where the state only has the power to monitor/enforce equality and conduct meetings as necessary;

Many/most of these schools may be public schools, which then will have their own state/district control, and free schools may be established as well, which may be operated by councils of charity organizers, education professionals with relevant experience, and/or elected parents, teachers, and/or students.

They have to provide the minimum standards, equality of opportunity as described above (including equally qualified teachers, a big problem in US public schools), and a safe nonviolent learning environment with free speech (since students are to be cooped up over their ability to consent, and they must be allowed to develop politically and culturally as they choose). Students may freely attend any school that they choose and may transfer whenever they choose, as long as they're not generating so much work that it disturbs the general learning environment.

Within those guidelines, the charity of your choice can also offer classes about theater lighting, religion, cosmology, practical anarchy, veterinary surgery, or whatever.

Thoughts?


Sounds quite good, I have just got off the phone with Barnaby Lenon the chairman of the independent schools council of the UK, They say that as long as the schools pay their membership fee they will continue to inspect the schools in Aurentina to the same standards as before until the private schools in Aurentina set up their own body (They are in the middle of doing this). They also say they will only provide this accreditation service to schools that continue to satisfy the UK charity laws governing education charities.

EDIT: With this assurance I hope your worries are satisfied and whilst it does not stop private schools that do not conform to the above from being created for now I can assure you that the chances of parents sending a child to one are minimal as these schools will have no accreditation or reports on the excellence of the school. Thus almost no demand. I am also one of the people helping to form the aurentine version of the independent schools council and our standards will be the same as in the UK organisation.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:51 pm

I hereby present Senator John Geil (Geilinor) to the Senate as my candidate for Premiership.
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Postby Slazliyka » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:51 pm

I vote NAY on John Geil's appoint as the Prime Minister.

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Postby Yanalia » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:52 pm

Wait, don't we need a motion to move this to the top of the Senate agenda first? That's how we did it last time.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:53 pm

Yanalia wrote:Wait, don't we need a motion to move this to the top of the Senate agenda first? That's how we did it last time.

Exactly. I'm waiting for seconds, thirds etc.
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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:56 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:I hereby present Senator John Geil (Geilinor) to the Senate as my candidate for Premiership.

Second.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:57 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:I hereby present Senator John Geil (Geilinor) to the Senate as my candidate for Premiership.

Second.

Third.
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Postby Pyreneesia » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:01 pm

Ainin wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Second.

Third.

Fourth
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Postby Yanalia » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:02 pm

You need 10 to bring it to vote, right? Like any other bill?
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Postby Beta Test » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:03 pm

Pyreneesia wrote:
Ainin wrote:Third.

Fourth


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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:03 pm

Yanalia wrote:You need 10 to bring it to vote, right? Like any other bill?

I think so, yes.
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Postby Free South Califas » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:03 pm

Slazliyka wrote:I vote NAY on John Geil's appoint as the Prime Minister.

Seconded, I oppose the appointment and any related motion(s).

Nothing personal, Sen. Geil, I'm sure you understand 8)

ETA re Ainin: That's fine, my objection to all related proceedings is recorded
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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:04 pm

Free South Califas wrote:
Slazliyka wrote:I vote NAY on John Geil's appoint as the Prime Minister.

Seconded, I oppose the appointment and any related motion(s).

We're not voting yet.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:05 pm

Free South Califas wrote:
Slazliyka wrote:I vote NAY on John Geil's appoint as the Prime Minister.

Seconded, I oppose the appointment and any related motion(s).


I too oppose the motion to bring to vote the appointment or not of John as PM.

Oh and what do you think about my post at the top of the page?
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:07 pm

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Pyreneesia wrote:Fourth


Fifth

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Postby Free South Califas » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:09 pm

I'm new to this, so forgive me if I've misunderstood, but isn't there typically an election and/or a confidence vote before a PM is replaced?
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Postby The Realm of God » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:11 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Free South Califas wrote:Seconded, I oppose the appointment and any related motion(s).


I too oppose the motion to bring to vote the appointment or not of John as PM.

Oh and what do you think about my post at the top of the page?


I don't think a new election is being called yet, the Prime Minister has just decided to abdicate in favour of a chosen successor so I don't believe that it will effect the normal election cycle.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:11 pm

Free South Califas wrote:I'm new to this, so forgive me if I've misunderstood, but isn't there typically an election and/or a confidence vote before a PM is replaced?

Vote of confidence, yes. What will happen:

1. Motion to vote on appointment reaches 10. It reaches the top of the queue once that happens.
2. Voting begins on the appointment.
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Fifth

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Postby Free South Califas » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:12 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Free South Califas wrote:Seconded, I oppose the appointment and any related motion(s).


I too oppose the motion to bring to vote the appointment or not of John as PM.

Oh and what do you think about my post at the top of the page?

Oh right. I appreciate your attention to the issue, Senator. I am glad to hear that parents still have the option of choosing a school accredited with these issues in mind. While the current bills being debated don't put much of a limit on private schools, I'm interested in pursuing a workable system with future legislation specific to those issues (beyond the amendments I've already proposed).
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Postby Slazliyka » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:12 pm

Free South Califas wrote:I'm new to this, so forgive me if I've misunderstood, but isn't there typically an election and/or a confidence vote before a PM is replaced?


Yes, for a PM appointment to carry a vote of confidence must carry. That vote must be motioned to the top of the senate's priorities before it can be held.

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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:13 pm

According to an admin ruling, the first government's term is already over:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=239510&p=14967622&hilit=term+ends#p14967622
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Postby The Realm of God » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:14 pm

Ainin wrote:According to an admin ruling, the first government's term is already over:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=239510&p=14967622&hilit=term+ends#p14967622


We need to call a general election then.
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Postby Yanalia » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:15 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
Ainin wrote:According to an admin ruling, the first government's term is already over:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=239510&p=14967622&hilit=term+ends#p14967622


We need to call a general election then.


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