NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate]

[Pyreneesia]

No district will ban privet schools, it's an arbbatrary think to do in the first place.

Districts under control of communists or USLP will certainly do so.

From Senator Nepal's perspective, it seems to.

Its not from my perspective, its the letter that says effective banning it is allowed since it simply says "restrictions".

Didn't the people vote in the communist and USLP? And if they don't like what they communist/USLP have done they can elect them out. But that's such a small presentage of actual area to worry about. Not many would risk an election on such ether with few exertions. That's like me saying EFP controlled area will ban public schools if they are given the chance. Would they risk their Statuseus on such a thing?

[Great Nepal]

From Senator Nepal's perspective, it seems to.

It doesn't say "private schools must be legal", but is that necessary for us to include?

Yes, or say "fair and reasonable restrictions". Or even better prevent school districts from regulating schools and leave that job to central government.

[Geilinor]

No district will ban privet schools, it's an arbbatrary think to do in the first place.

Districts under control of communists or USLP will certainly do so.

From Senator Nepal's perspective, it seems to.

Its not from my perspective, its the letter that says effective banning it is allowed since it simply says "restrictions".

"Restrictions" just mean that there could be certain accreditation standards or such. "Restrictions" and "banning" are not the same.

[Great Nepal]

Didn't the people vote in the communist and USLP? And if they don't like what they communist/USLP have done they can elect them out. But that's such a small presentage of actual area to worry about. Not many would risk an election on such ether with few exertions. That's like me saying EFP controlled area will ban public schools if they are given the chance. Would they risk their Statuseus on such a thing?

If people elected USLP or CP, they will support move to ban private schools. If they elected EFP, they will support move to ban public schools. Therefore, they are not risking their position by taking such move.

Districts under control of communists or USLP will certainly do so.


Its not from my perspective, its the letter that says effective banning it is allowed since it simply says "restrictions".

"Restrictions" just mean that there could be certain accreditation standards or such. "Restrictions" and "banning" are not the same.

A district enacts policy saying "to ensure stability, private schools must provide deposit of £100,000,000 before starting a private school". That is a restriction however effectively bans private schools.

[Geilinor]

Public Education Act

Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsored by: Costa Algeria (PC), The Realm of God (PC), Geilinor (LD), Zweite Alaje (NI)

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18 studying in Primary Education and Secondary Education. (currently, the clause means if someone fails multiple times he wont get to study after age of 18 if they are still in primary education.)
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 10,500 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for each 1,500 hours of school missed and 3 months of jail for each 1,500 hours of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education or senate for public school, private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts or school governors may expand upon this minimum curriculum. (curriculum must apply to public schools too. School governors themselves must also be allowed to expand on minimum curriclum.)
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.
9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school.
10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.
11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.
12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 10 grade levels comprised of at least 1,050 instructional hours.
13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.
13. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.
15. There shall be 5 days in the school week, each comprising of 7 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess don't count towards this number of hours. Schools must have at least 30 school weeks per year. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and recognised religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools. (just to ensure I dont invent some random religion and declare every day religious holiday )
17. Hereby places a total of 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools. (it needs to be total holiday in school years who can be distributed as school governors see fit).
18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.
19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools. (private schools is regulated enough by this act)

I would like to suggest above listed amendment with reasoning.

I agree with the above amendments, except for the amendment concerning school holidays. The original bill allows 22 weeks of holidays (52 weeks in a year minus 30 school weeks) which makes more than three months of holidays. A better amendment would instead allow school governors to decide when the school weeks are, and reconsider how many school weeks we have (above I have suggested 35 or 42, so 17 or 10 weeks of school holidays, depending on how long we want the school day).

3 months of holidays makes sense to me in the US. For me, the school year is 9 months, with 2 months of summer vacation and 1 month spread out in between.

[Pyreneesia]

Didn't the people vote in the communist and USLP? And if they don't like what they communist/USLP have done they can elect them out. But that's such a small presentage of actual area to worry about. Not many would risk an election on such ether with few exertions. That's like me saying EFP controlled area will ban public schools if they are given the chance. Would they risk their Statuseus on such a thing?

If people elected USLP or CP, they will support move to ban private schools. If they elected EFP, they will support move to ban public schools. Therefore, they are not risking their position by taking such move.

"Restrictions" just mean that there could be certain accreditation standards or such. "Restrictions" and "banning" are not the same.

A district enacts policy saying "to ensure stability, private schools must provide deposit of £100,000,000 before starting a private school". That is a restriction however effectively bans private schools.

Exactly they have the people support so no issue. Really nothing bad happenes when their isn't provide schools in the area but it's bad without public schools. But I think such should be handled by the central government and not the districts. But then again in just a dirty statist.

[CTALNH]

Oh no, the right-wing elites will be force to mix with the regulars.

The horror, Senator! The sheer horror!

> Implying only the elite attends private schools

Really and who does lower class proletariats?

[Geilinor]

Didn't the people vote in the communist and USLP? And if they don't like what they communist/USLP have done they can elect them out. But that's such a small presentage of actual area to worry about. Not many would risk an election on such ether with few exertions. That's like me saying EFP controlled area will ban public schools if they are given the chance. Would they risk their Statuseus on such a thing?

If people elected USLP or CP, they will support move to ban private schools. If they elected EFP, they will support move to ban public schools. Therefore, they are not risking their position by taking such move.

"Restrictions" just mean that there could be certain accreditation standards or such. "Restrictions" and "banning" are not the same.

A district enacts policy saying "to ensure stability, private schools must provide deposit of £100,000,000 before starting a private school". That is a restriction however effectively bans private schools.

I suppose you have a point there, but why would our school districts be controlled by Communists or the USLP? School districts should be apolitical bodies of educational professionals with one goal only. To deliver high-quality education to children.

[CTALNH]

If people elected USLP or CP, they will support move to ban private schools. If they elected EFP, they will support move to ban public schools. Therefore, they are not risking their position by taking such move.


A district enacts policy saying "to ensure stability, private schools must provide deposit of £100,000,000 before starting a private school". That is a restriction however effectively bans private schools.

I suppose you have a point there, but why would our school districts be controlled by Communists or the USLP? School districts should be apolitical bodies of educational professionals with one goal only. To deliver high-quality education to children.

Oh so sorry the school was destroyed.....

[Geilinor]

I suppose you have a point there, but why would our school districts be controlled by Communists or the USLP? School districts should be apolitical bodies of educational professionals with one goal only. To deliver high-quality education to children.

Oh so sorry the school was destroyed.....

What?

[CTALNH]

Oh so sorry the school was destroyed.....

What?

Ruse the people to destroy the private schools.

[Great Nepal]

Exactly they have the people support so no issue. Really nothing bad happenes when their isn't provide schools in the area but it's bad without public schools. But I think such should be handled by the central government and not the districts. But then again in just a dirty statist.

Why should districts be allowed to effectively outlaw private schools?

I suppose you have a point there, but why would our school districts be controlled by Communists or the USLP? School districts should be apolitical bodies of educational professionals with one goal only. To deliver high-quality education to children.

I thought they were going to be elected? I mean, act provides nothing in regards to composition or appointment of districts. Simply leaving it to central government will do the job much better. Or alternatively, add "fair and reasonable restrictions". Even if districts dont take that step, law shouldn't allow them to do so in first place. We can not rely on good faith of districts to do so.

[Ainin]

What?

Ruse the people to destroy the private schools.

Which is an act tantamount to treason against the state.

[Kouralia]

Ruse the people to destroy the private schools.

Which is an act tantamount to treason against the state.

Fortunately we haven't been blowing things up.

[Geilinor]

What?

Ruse the people to destroy the private schools.

Ruses aren't completely democratic. Ruses are just deception.

[CTALNH]

Ruse the people to destroy the private schools.

Which is an act tantamount to treason against the state.

And?

Some prison time?Who cares?

[CTALNH]

Ruse the people to destroy the private schools.

Ruses aren't completely democratic.

Indeed my friend!The thing is we don't care about "your" version of democracy!We care about our version!

[Geilinor]

Ruses aren't completely democratic.

Indeed my friend!The thing is we don't care about "your" version of democracy!We care about our version!

You mean your twisted Stalinist version?

[CTALNH]

Which is an act tantamount to treason against the state.

Fortunately we haven't been blowing things up.

That too but its not like they can execute us.

[Pesda]

I agree with the above amendments, except for the amendment concerning school holidays. The original bill allows 22 weeks of holidays (52 weeks in a year minus 30 school weeks) which makes more than three months of holidays. A better amendment would instead allow school governors to decide when the school weeks are, and reconsider how many school weeks we have (above I have suggested 35 or 42, so 17 or 10 weeks of school holidays, depending on how long we want the school day).

3 months of holidays makes sense to me in the US. For me, the school year is 9 months, with 2 months of summer vacation and 1 month spread out in between.

Why do you think that 3 months of holidays is right (and "the US does it" is not a reason)? Also, the original bill says that there are three months of holidays in the summer, with the rest spread out during the rest of the year. Great Nepal suggested that the 22 weeks be spread during the whole year as the governors see fit- I think this is better because it spreads out the holidays. What I'm suggesting is shorter school days and shorter holidays, so that the children won't be tired by the end of the day. So, why do we need such long holidays?

[Geilinor]

Fortunately we haven't been blowing things up.

That too but its not like they can execute us.

We could put you in prison for life.

[Ainin]

Ruses aren't completely democratic.

Indeed my friend!The thing is we don't care about "your" version of democracy!We care about our version!

Your version isn't democracy, it isn't even tyranny by majority, it's just tyranny.

[CTALNH]

Indeed my friend!The thing is we don't care about "your" version of democracy!We care about our version!

You mean your twisted Stalinist version?

I have a party and the goal is the same with the pinkos anyway.So its not only me....

[CTALNH]

That too but its not like they can execute us.

We could put you in prison for life.

Then just execute us....

[CTALNH]

Indeed my friend!The thing is we don't care about "your" version of democracy!We care about our version!

Your version isn't democracy, it isn't even tyranny by majority, it's just tyranny.

Lenin would be so proud!