NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate]

[Ghirich]

LLA: NAY
SSA: YAY
ILA: NAY
WEA: YAY

Reminder: All those that vote against the WEA shall eventually fall to the workers' will.

[Ainin]

LLA: NAY
SSA: YAY
ILA: NAY
WEA: YAY

Reminder: All those that vote against the WEA shall eventually fall to the workers' will.

Yeah right.

[Ghirich]

LLA: NAY
SSA: YAY
ILA: NAY
WEA: YAY

Reminder: All those that vote against the WEA shall eventually fall to the workers' will.

Yeah right.

[Republik auf Texas]

Yes to Limited Legislation act,Secular act,International law act

NO to worker empowerment

[Divair]

LLA: NAY
SSA: YAY
ILA: NAY
WEA: YAY

Reminder: All those that vote against the WEA shall eventually fall to the workers' will.

Yeah right.

And now that you responded to him, the next scenario by the admins will be an attempted commie revolution

[Byzantium Imperial]

Yeah right.

We need to stop the commies before its too late

[Jetan]

LLA: NAY
SSA: YAY
ILA: NAY
WEA: YAY

Reminder: All those that vote against the WEA shall eventually fall to the workers' will.

You just had to try to empty the whole payazzo on one go. The idiotic additions about changing the workplaces for example drove me away. Without it, I would have supported WEA. Now I vehemently oppose it.

[Byzantium Imperial]

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VOTE COUNT
Voting ends 2013/06/08 at 04:15 UTC (24 hour time format guys)

Limiting Legislation Act
For: 47
Against: 22
Abstain: 2

Secular State Act
For: 58
Against: 9
Abstain: 4

International Law Act
For: 51
Against: 18
Abstain: 2

Worker Empowerment Act
For: 31
Against: 38
Abstain: 4

I changed my aye to a nay on ILA


As a reminder to the commies among us, you are allowed to cast a ballot on all 4 laws. Not just the Worker Empowerment act (minor scoff)

Edit: i got the vote right after this post

[The Treorai]

Nay on the WEA, and abstain on all others.

[Kamchastkia]

Yeah right.

And now that you responded to him, the next scenario by the admins will be an attempted commie revolution

Hmm, that'd put the USLP/CP in an awkward position if it failed O.O

[Jetan]

And now that you responded to him, the next scenario by the admins will be an attempted commie revolution

Hmm, that'd put the USLP/CP in an awkward position if it failed O.O

And the rest of us in hell if it didn't.

[Potenco]

LLA: Abstain
SSA: Yea
ILA: Yea
WEA: Yea

Need I remind everyone that the right to unionize is something that should never be infringed upon, and that the libertarians should keep in mind that if they beleive only in voluntary human association, they should respect the right of workers to organize for their won interests.

[Kamchastkia]

Hmm, that'd put the USLP/CP in an awkward position if it failed O.O

And the rest of us in hell if it didn't.

Sounds good to me. Oh, I didn't say that over-reaching police force! *Looks the other way and whistles, slowly walking towards the exit*

[Regnum Dominae]

LLA: Abstain
SSA: Yea
ILA: Yea
WEA: Yea

Need I remind everyone that the right to unionize is something that should never be infringed upon, and that the libertarians should keep in mind that if they beleive only in voluntary human association, they should respect the right of workers to organize for their won interests.

It's not voluntary association when the workers are able to overthrow the management without the consent of the management.

[Potenco]

LLA: Abstain
SSA: Yea
ILA: Yea
WEA: Yea

Need I remind everyone that the right to unionize is something that should never be infringed upon, and that the libertarians should keep in mind that if they beleive only in voluntary human association, they should respect the right of workers to organize for their won interests.

It's not voluntary association when the workers are able to overthrow the management without the consent of the management.

I would call it Democracy.

[Jetan]

LLA: Abstain
SSA: Yea
ILA: Yea
WEA: Yea

Need I remind everyone that the right to unionize is something that should never be infringed upon, and that the libertarians should keep in mind that if they beleive only in voluntary human association, they should respect the right of workers to organize for their won interests.

It's not voluntary association when the workers are able to overthrow the management without the consent of the management.

Indeed. If WEA truly was about unions it would be a different case. As it stands though, it only furthers the communist agenda on the pretense of being about unions.

It's not voluntary association when the workers are able to overthrow the management without the consent of the management.

I would call it Democracy.

So if Regnum Dominae and I together vote we should get your car that's okay? Because that's what this bill is about, just in larger scale.

[The Jahistic Unified Republic]

With regards with the WEA, I vote NO. With regards to the International Act: I vote NO. With regards to the Secular State Act, I vote YES

[Regnum Dominae]

It's not voluntary association when the workers are able to overthrow the management without the consent of the management.

I would call it Democracy.

More like tyranny by majority.

And democracy doesn't and shouldn't apply to all associations of people.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Hmm, that'd put the USLP/CP in an awkward position if it failed O.O

And the rest of us in hell if it didn't.

The commies would face a tough time. You know, they dont have a huge numerical advantage and the right is well armed

Message to admin: dont be discouraged, commie revolution/uprising = very fun

[The Jahistic Unified Republic]

And the rest of us in hell if it didn't.

The commies would face a tough time. You know, they dont have a huge numerical advantage and the right is well armed

Message to admin: dont be discouraged, commie revolution/uprising = very fun

The gun toting Righties of Galt's Gulch would have a field day, mind you.

[Potenco]

LLA: Abstain
SSA: Yea
ILA: Yea
WEA: Yea

Need I remind everyone that the right to unionize is something that should never be infringed upon, and that the libertarians should keep in mind that if they beleive only in voluntary human association, they should respect the right of workers to organize for their won interests.

It's not voluntary association when the workers are able to overthrow the management without the consent of the management.

Additionally, there is no cause that states that workers can simply take over a business. Its highly unlikely unions would elect to take over a workplace as that would mean more work. An owner would have to be a truly awful boss to necessitate.

[Byzantium Imperial]

It's not voluntary association when the workers are able to overthrow the management without the consent of the management.

Additionally, there is no cause that states that workers can simply take over a business. Its highly unlikely unions would elect to take over a workplace as that would mean more work. An owner would have to be a truly awful boss to necessitate.

In addition to this, the state will recognize the right of workers to choose to change the nature of their workplace to more democratic forms via fair and democratic elections. In such cases that workers decide to change the nature of their workplace, the state will be obliged to compensate the present owners in accordance with the nature and extent of compensation (as determined by a court of law).

Id say thats pretty dam unfair when the workers you're as the boss, paying are legally protected when they say, "I dont really feel like it". In addition, unpopular bosses can often be more efficient then bosses who coddle the workers. Not always, but sometimes.

[Potenco]

Additionally, there is no cause that states that workers can simply take over a business. Its highly unlikely unions would elect to take over a workplace as that would mean more work. An owner would have to be a truly awful boss to necessitate.

In addition to this, the state will recognize the right of workers to choose to change the nature of their workplace to more democratic forms via fair and democratic elections. In such cases that workers decide to change the nature of their workplace, the state will be obliged to compensate the present owners in accordance with the nature and extent of compensation (as determined by a court of law).

Id say thats pretty dam unfair when the workers you're as the boss, paying are legally protected when they say, "I dont really feel like it". In addition, unpopular bosses can often be more efficient then bosses who coddle the workers. Not always, but sometimes.

Most workers are capable of understanding the difference between fair managerial policy and "mollycoddling" and most the only case in which I can see workers voting out a boss is in situations where A) The boss is being incredibly unfair or B) incompetent

[Byzantium Imperial]

In addition to this, the state will recognize the right of workers to choose to change the nature of their workplace to more democratic forms via fair and democratic elections. In such cases that workers decide to change the nature of their workplace, the state will be obliged to compensate the present owners in accordance with the nature and extent of compensation (as determined by a court of law).

Id say thats pretty dam unfair when the workers you're as the boss, paying are legally protected when they say, "I dont really feel like it". In addition, unpopular bosses can often be more efficient then bosses who coddle the workers. Not always, but sometimes.

Most workers are capable of understanding the difference between fair managerial policy and "mollycoddling" and most the only case in which I can see workers voting out a boss is in situations where A) The boss is being incredibly unfair or B) incompetent

The boss owns the factory. You shouldnt be able to vote the owner out (in the case of a larger parent corporation, complain to the corporation. After all their factory is going to be less productive as a result now. If its inefficiency, im sure the corporation will remove he manegar happily)

[Jetan]

In addition to this, the state will recognize the right of workers to choose to change the nature of their workplace to more democratic forms via fair and democratic elections. In such cases that workers decide to change the nature of their workplace, the state will be obliged to compensate the present owners in accordance with the nature and extent of compensation (as determined by a court of law).

Id say thats pretty dam unfair when the workers you're as the boss, paying are legally protected when they say, "I dont really feel like it". In addition, unpopular bosses can often be more efficient then bosses who coddle the workers. Not always, but sometimes.

Most workers are capable of understanding the difference between fair managerial policy and "mollycoddling" and most the only case in which I can see workers voting out a boss is in situations where A) The boss is being incredibly unfair or B) incompetent

A is what unions are for and B is not the workers business in the first place.