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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:54 pm

Ah my mistake, ignore me!

The EE omnibus is next, your tax is first :)

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Postby German-Spanish Empire » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:55 pm

Battlion wrote:Ah my mistake, ignore me!

The EE omnibus is next, your tax is first :)


I noticed that sorry for my ignorance.

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Postby Wolfmanne » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:55 pm

Just a note, I motioned for the Law and Order Improvement Act to be omnibused with the Legality and Restrictions Act. I require a sixth and a seventhed for it to pass; it already has Presidential approval.
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Postby Welsh Cowboy » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:57 pm

So EE got moved down?
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Postby Battlion » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:58 pm

Welsh Cowboy wrote:So EE got moved down?


No, I was unaware something else was at debate.

Just means we're next up

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Postby Ainin » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:59 pm

I move to begin voting on the NFAA, I guess...?
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Postby Free South Califas » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:02 pm

Welsh Cowboy wrote:I must respectfully disagree with the President's use of his queue jumping powers. Educational reform is obviously important, but so are multiple bills and omnibuses which have continually been pushed down and delayed because of various elections and moves such as this. We need to vote on these things, including a tax collection system. Surely having funds to pay for things such as education is crucial?

I must agree with Senator Pierce here. The Parties, too, have all prepared for the finance omnibus we were debating, and now we have less than a day to figure out how to whip this omnibus. (I'm guessing any suggestion that we should extend the debate to the maximum 36 hours will be met with cries of "Think of the children!" and a lynching.) We have almost no time to examine the technical details of the laws we are asked to impose on generations of Aurentine schoolchildren. It's all a little maddening, frankly, and I wish there were a little more respect for the order of business we had established.

I also think it's vicious and cruel to try to intimidate the Senate into busting our asses working overtime by invoking vulnerable groups of people. Some of us are part of vulnerable groups ourselves, you know. (OOC: This is really unfair. We're doing this for free and it would be nice to have an ounce of fucking consideration for those of us who've just stayed up all night working on the queue that we'd agreed on. I'm here rather than in an actual Senate because I have limited energy and time for this stuff.)
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Postby German-Spanish Empire » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:04 pm

Ainin wrote:I move to begin voting on the NFAA, I guess...?

Seconded.

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Postby Otrenia » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:05 pm

Free South Califas wrote:
Welsh Cowboy wrote:I must respectfully disagree with the President's use of his queue jumping powers. Educational reform is obviously important, but so are multiple bills and omnibuses which have continually been pushed down and delayed because of various elections and moves such as this. We need to vote on these things, including a tax collection system. Surely having funds to pay for things such as education is crucial?

I must agree with Senator Pierce here. The Parties, too, have all prepared for the finance omnibus we were debating, and now we have less than a day to figure out how to whip this omnibus. (I'm guessing any suggestion that we should extend the debate to the maximum 36 hours will be met with cries of "Think of the children!" and a lynching.) We have almost no time to examine the technical details of the laws we are asked to impose on generations of Aurentine schoolchildren. It's all a little maddening, frankly, and I wish there were a little more respect for the order of business we had established.

I also think it's vicious and cruel to try to intimidate the Senate into busting our asses working overtime by invoking vulnerable groups of people. Some of us are part of vulnerable groups ourselves, you know. (OOC: This is really unfair. We're doing this for free and it would be nice to have an ounce of fucking consideration for those of us who've just stayed up all night working on the queue that we'd agreed on. I'm here rather than in an actual Senate because I have limited energy and time for this stuff.)


Senator, I think you misunderstand. The Education omnibus was mistakenly pushed to debate, it was only meant to be next up for debate.

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Postby Bleckonia » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:05 pm

Free South Califas wrote:
Welsh Cowboy wrote:I must respectfully disagree with the President's use of his queue jumping powers. Educational reform is obviously important, but so are multiple bills and omnibuses which have continually been pushed down and delayed because of various elections and moves such as this. We need to vote on these things, including a tax collection system. Surely having funds to pay for things such as education is crucial?

I must agree with Senator Pierce here. The Parties, too, have all prepared for the finance omnibus we were debating, and now we have less than a day to figure out how to whip this omnibus. (I'm guessing any suggestion that we should extend the debate to the maximum 36 hours will be met with cries of "Think of the children!" and a lynching.) We have almost no time to examine the technical details of the laws we are asked to impose on generations of Aurentine schoolchildren. It's all a little maddening, frankly, and I wish there were a little more respect for the order of business we had established.

I also think it's vicious and cruel to try to intimidate the Senate into busting our asses working overtime by invoking vulnerable groups of people. Some of us are part of vulnerable groups ourselves, you know. (OOC: This is really unfair. We're doing this for free and it would be nice to have an ounce of fucking consideration for those of us who've just stayed up all night working on the queue that we'd agreed on.)


I must agree with my colleague here. We have important financial bills in queue, and this education act is useless and a waste of time until we actually are able to get money to pay for it. These laws were moved to the front with little time to examine them.

I motion to veto the president's queue jump.
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Postby Bleckonia » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:06 pm

German-Spanish Empire wrote:
Ainin wrote:I move to begin voting on the NFAA, I guess...?

Seconded.


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Postby Ainin » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:06 pm

Bleckonia wrote:
Free South Califas wrote:I must agree with Senator Pierce here. The Parties, too, have all prepared for the finance omnibus we were debating, and now we have less than a day to figure out how to whip this omnibus. (I'm guessing any suggestion that we should extend the debate to the maximum 36 hours will be met with cries of "Think of the children!" and a lynching.) We have almost no time to examine the technical details of the laws we are asked to impose on generations of Aurentine schoolchildren. It's all a little maddening, frankly, and I wish there were a little more respect for the order of business we had established.

I also think it's vicious and cruel to try to intimidate the Senate into busting our asses working overtime by invoking vulnerable groups of people. Some of us are part of vulnerable groups ourselves, you know. (OOC: This is really unfair. We're doing this for free and it would be nice to have an ounce of fucking consideration for those of us who've just stayed up all night working on the queue that we'd agreed on.)


I must agree with my colleague here. We have important financial bills in queue, and this education act is useless and a waste of time until we actually are able to get money to pay for it. These laws were moved to the front with little time to examine them.

I motion to veto the president's queue jump.

...can you do that?
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Postby Bleckonia » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:08 pm

Ainin wrote:
Bleckonia wrote:
I must agree with my colleague here. We have important financial bills in queue, and this education act is useless and a waste of time until we actually are able to get money to pay for it. These laws were moved to the front with little time to examine them.

I motion to veto the president's queue jump.

...can you do that?


I think we can motion just about anything within the bounds of law.
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Postby Battlion » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:09 pm

Ainin wrote:
Bleckonia wrote:
I must agree with my colleague here. We have important financial bills in queue, and this education act is useless and a waste of time until we actually are able to get money to pay for it. These laws were moved to the front with little time to examine them.

I motion to veto the president's queue jump.

...can you do that?


No, he can't.

I have no problem waiting, but respect the constitutional powers granted to the President etc.

The NFAA goes first, then EE.

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Postby Rumostan » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:10 pm

Free South Califas wrote:
Welsh Cowboy wrote:I must respectfully disagree with the President's use of his queue jumping powers. Educational reform is obviously important, but so are multiple bills and omnibuses which have continually been pushed down and delayed because of various elections and moves such as this. We need to vote on these things, including a tax collection system. Surely having funds to pay for things such as education is crucial?

I must agree with Senator Pierce here. The Parties, too, have all prepared for the finance omnibus we were debating, and now we have less than a day to figure out how to whip this omnibus. (I'm guessing any suggestion that we should extend the debate to the maximum 36 hours will be met with cries of "Think of the children!" and a lynching.) We have almost no time to examine the technical details of the laws we are asked to impose on generations of Aurentine schoolchildren. It's all a little maddening, frankly, and I wish there were a little more respect for the order of business we had established.

I also think it's vicious and cruel to try to intimidate the Senate into busting our asses working overtime by invoking vulnerable groups of people. Some of us are part of vulnerable groups ourselves, you know. (OOC: This is really unfair. We're doing this for free and it would be nice to have an ounce of fucking consideration for those of us who've just stayed up all night working on the queue that we'd agreed on. I'm here rather than in an actual Senate because I have limited energy and time for this stuff.)


I'm just not going to say anything about that....
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Postby Free South Califas » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:12 pm

Battlion wrote:EE was moved to #1

1. Check it again, it was fixed.

2. Have some patience, I"m busting my ass here. I posted it as soon as I could and then caught up with the thread and fixed it.

3. When you quote long posts, it's polite to put the bill/queue in a spoiler or delete it, so there's less confusion and less scrolling.
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Postby Battlion » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:14 pm

Free South Califas wrote:
Battlion wrote:EE was moved to #1

1. Check it again, it was fixed.

2. Have some patience, I"m busting my ass here. I posted it as soon as I could and then caught up with the thread and fixed it.

3. When you quote long posts, it's polite to put the bill/queue in a spoiler or delete it, so there's less confusion and less scrolling.


1) I saw, don't worry dude
2) I'm patient don't worry about it, I fully appreciate it
3) I apologise, the bills are fully spoilered must have been the queue.

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Postby Free South Califas » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:18 pm

Fourth.

Aaaalrighty then. I don't see how NFAA was pushed back on top, but let's just assume it is. I support the motion to vote on it (see "fourth"). We should probably all support this motion IMO, because it's pretty unclear when the debate window started and how long we have left.
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Senate Legislative Queue

Currently at debate: National Financing and Accounting Act
1. Educational Excellence Omnibus
2. Legality and Restrictions Act
3. Anti Corruption Omnibus
4. International Treaties Ratification Act
5. Economic Oversight Act
6. Civil Liberties Omnibus
7. Internet Omnibus Act
8. Voting out business management without holding shares is stupid idea and illegal
9. Standards of Daily Measurement Act
10. Government Boundaries Omnibus
11. Environment Act
12. Transportation Amendments, Standards, and Safety Omnibus
13. Armed Forces Reform Act
14. Blakewell Law and Order Omnibus
15. Social Welfare Act
16. Order of Aurentina Establishment Act
17. Reasonable Wage Act
18. Electoral Standards Omnibus
19. Protection from Religious Fraud Act
20. Act Against Unemployment and Waste
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Postby German-Spanish Empire » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:20 pm

I move to begin voting on NFAA.

OOC:I know someone said it but just bringing it to light.

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Postby Battlion » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:24 pm

I assumed that when the PM vote ended the debate begun :)

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Postby Bleckonia » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:27 pm

German-Spanish Empire wrote:I move to begin voting on NFAA.

OOC:I know someone said it but just bringing it to light.


That's a fifth.
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Postby Otrenia » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:27 pm

German-Spanish Empire wrote:I move to begin voting on NFAA.

OOC:I know someone said it but just bringing it to light.


By my count that makes five. So I sixth the motion.

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