NSG Senate Coffee Shop [NSG Senate]

[Ceannairceach]

The Objectivists seek to receive special treatment by being considered semi-autonomous while still having full say in senate proceedings.

And that happens in real life. Look at the Russian Federation. Look at every state in America.

None have special treatment, ie nullification powers. Again, if you set the percentage required to nullify to 110% of the population, it may start to be passable.

[Ceannairceach]

You disparaged myself and the TR by rhetorically questioning our motives and persons. It was slander.

Like the people in TR have done many times by asking us why we need our paramilitary?

That is not slander. Calling us fascists for daring to speak out against your threats of rebellion is.

[The Republic of Lanos]

(Are we going back the suggestion that attempting to disarm paramilitaries will result in civil war...)

[Ceannairceach]

Alright, if you have no evidence, then kindly, as they say where I am from, shut the fuck up. I will not stand for false accusations.

And this is not slander? This is not against your Ethics Act?

So, it only applies when the Totally Rad party is targeted. Tyranny by majority. The largets party simply attacks it's smaller partners.

You are officially being ignored at this point, Senator. Your lies are falling upon deaf ears.

[The New Sea Territory]

And that happens in real life. Look at the Russian Federation. Look at every state in America.

None have special treatment, ie nullification powers. Again, if you set the percentage required to nullify to 110% of the population, it may start to be passable.

Hmm.....So....

The States disregard federal law all the time.

[Aeken]

(a) Defines Slander as defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing or pictures.

This is the definition of slander under the Ethics Act, everyone.

(Are we going back the suggestion that attempting to disarm paramilitaries will result in civil war...)

I certainly hope not.

[CTALNH]

Like the people in TR have done many times by asking us why we need our paramilitary?

That is not slander. Calling us fascists for daring to speak out against your threats of rebellion is.

I said social fascists.

Here educate yourself to understand what the term means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism

[Ceannairceach]

That is not slander. Calling us fascists for daring to speak out against your threats of rebellion is.

I said social fascists.

Here educate yourself to understand what the term means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism

I know what you said, Senator, and I don't care.

[The Republic of Lanos]

(Are we going back the suggestion that attempting to disarm paramilitaries will result in civil war...)

I certainly hope not.

We better not because I'm getting quite tired of discussing paramilitaries and areas that don't want to be under the law or something like that.

[The New Sea Territory]

And that happens in real life. Look at the Russian Federation. Look at every state in America.

None have special treatment, ie nullification powers. Again, if you set the percentage required to nullify to 110% of the population, it may start to be passable.

I'll edit that part out.

[The New Sea Territory]

Semi-Autonomous Zone Creation Act

Drafted by: The New Sea Territory

Sponsors:

Realizing that the people of the "Galt's Gulch" area, which is about four subdistricts, and the surrounding area, wish to create a semi-autonomous state.

Further Realizing that all of these subdistricts have Objectivist Party representatives and large objectivist movements. These leaders are the forefront of the Semi-Autonomous movement as a peaceful way to govern the way their people seem to want, but can not do so because of lack of support in the Senate. The Gulch area wishes to govern according to a more minarchic agenda without openly defying the entire country. These Senators include:

Galt's Gulch
•The New Sea Territory
•Yootoepia
•Apocrypha24
•North-West Molovsky

Other Neighboring Subdistricts
•Liberosia
•Snabagag
•West Florida


Understanding that this will not exempt the semi-autonomous zone from taxation or representation in the Senate.

Further Understanding that the SA-Zone will be required to recognize laws set forth by the Senate, and obey the Senate's rulings that target it.

Declaring that the seven total subdistricts, four that make up the Gulch and three that wish to be included and have backing for it, will be considered the Semi-Autonomous Zone.

Allowing the semi-autonomous zone to pass legislation independently, so long as it does not openly contradict the Senate.

Further Allowing the SA-Zone to collect it's own taxes on top of Federal taxes, and allowing the zone to select the methods of collecting taxes (income tax, sales tax, consumption tax, etc.) The SA-Zone may also accept gold and silver coins as a legal tender, since much of the population already does so.

Requiring that citizens of the SA-Zone pay 10% extra in taxes (with it's choice of how to collect said taxes). The governing body of the zone will be held accountable if extra taxes are not paid directly to the Senate. These taxes must be paid in the state currency.

Recognizing that the SA-Zone as self-governing, and that is is still part of our nation, so open borders will be an absolute requirement.

Permitting the semi-autonomous zone to have it's own state militia as a state guard. This militia will not receive funding from the rest of the nation, and must be entirely funded by the citizens of the SA-Zone.

Hereby Creates the Galt's Gulch SA-Zone. The Zone will include seven subdistricts of neighboring lands that surround the Gulch.

[Ceannairceach]

None have special treatment, ie nullification powers. Again, if you set the percentage required to nullify to 110% of the population, it may start to be passable.

Hmm.....So....

The States disregard federal law all the time.

No, they do not, not without consequences.

[Arglorand]

I would prefer two. Three at the most.

I'll make it 3 then, thanks for your comment.

It would also be best if you, in the bill, pointed out how well the individual had to know the national language before being naturalized - whether the test that checks language knowledge needs you to be fairly fluent or just decent. There are a couple of ratings used to gauge language ability; for example, this. You could put the precise level of language ability needed to pass the citizenship test. Personally, I advise that if you use this one, you should use B2.

[The New Sea Territory]

I certainly hope not.

We better not because I'm getting quite tired of discussing paramilitaries and areas that don't want to be under the law or something like that.

Then please, come up with something to do besides kill liberty. When you target liberty, this happens.

[CTALNH]

I said social fascists.

Here educate yourself to understand what the term means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism

I know what you said, Senator, and I don't care.

Really are we gonna play the I don't care game?

I said I don't care about what Divairs "No" because he wasn't here....Are you trying to frame me with a scandal senator?

[Ceannairceach]

I know what you said, Senator, and I don't care.

Really are we gonna play the I don't care game?

I said I don't care about what Divairs "No" because he wasn't here....Are you trying to frame me with a scandal senator?

Why frame when you set yourself up so nicely?

[Aquitayne]

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I will not support any piece of legislation that fractures the sovereignty of the nation.

[The Republic of Lanos]

*sigh* New Sea says I want to kill liberty because I'm tired of this whole crap and CTALNH is throwing a fit.

Guys, stop this shit. For the sake of everything.

[Tsuken]

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I will not support any piece of legislation that fractures the sovereignty of the nation.

It doesn't fracture the nation's sovereignty. The Senate's laws and taxes will still have effect.

[The New Sea Territory]

*sigh* New Sea says I want to kill liberty because I'm tired of this whole crap and CTALNH is throwing a fit.

Guys, stop this shit. For the sake of everything.

What if I believe liberty IS everything? So stopping would not be for the sake of everything.

You support legislation that takes away our guns and freedom of speech and expect us to just be happy?

[CTALNH]

Really are we gonna play the I don't care game?

I said I don't care about what Divairs "No" because he wasn't here....Are you trying to frame me with a scandal senator?

Why frame when you set yourself up so nicely?

No I didn't actually I expressed a political view by asking a rhetorical question. Thats what free speech means.

I didn't slander nobody.

[CTALNH]

*sigh* New Sea says I want to kill liberty because I'm tired of this whole crap and CTALNH is throwing a fit.

Guys, stop this shit. For the sake of everything.

When AM I not throwing a fit...

Besides this is democracy.

[Aquitayne]

*sigh* New Sea says I want to kill liberty because I'm tired of this whole crap and CTALNH is throwing a fit.

Guys, stop this shit. For the sake of everything.

^this. Really, you all sound like a bunch of little kids trying to tell mommy and daddy the other one did it.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

I'll make it 3 then, thanks for your comment.

It would also be best if you, in the bill, pointed out how well the individual had to know the national language before being naturalized - whether the test that checks language knowledge needs you to be fairly fluent or just decent. There are a couple of ratings used to gauge language ability; for example, this. You could put the precise level of language ability needed to pass the citizenship test. Personally, I advise that if you use this one, you should use B2.

I will also consider your comment, thank you for your feedback.

[The New Sea Territory]

Why frame when you set yourself up so nicely?

No I didn't actually I expressed a political view by asking a rhetorical question. Thats what free speech means.

I didn't slander nobody.

But they believe if they are targeted it is slander. Don't even attempt to argue with him; he'll just say he's ignoring you.