NSG Senate Coffee Shop [NSG Senate]

[Seelelander]

So do you senator believe that the government should be denied the right to use artillery then?

My view is perfectly consistent.

I am against the government using nukes.

[Costa Alegria]

That is the idea, yes.

So you want to go around and kill people with artillery?

Now, why should a corporate entity be allowed artillery and not an individual?

They're not. Now law passed allows anyone outside of the government.

So many people seem to believe that only cops should have guns and only government militias, rather than private ones, should have explosives and so on.

Uh, yeah! That's because the military are the only people trained to use these things, not gun crazy lunatics who dislike the state and want to "protect" themselves.

All governments are susceptible to tyranny, including this one, and it is always a good thing that the people are ready to combat that.

Uh, no. I wouldn't trust you people with a box of crayons let alone some howitzers.

Edits. But I refuse to get rid of artillery.

Urgency: Very High

Drafted by: DuThaal Craftworld

Co-Sponsored by: Hathradic States & the party he is Chairman of.

Recognizing the right of the people to bear weaponry,

Noting that this has become a center of controversy within the senate as of late,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Nation,

Hereby puts the following into effect;
1.0:Statement; The right of the people to possess, use and carry firearms shall not be infringed by any state, federal or other governmental authority. And while the right of the people to bear low-power explosives/artillery may be infringed, it shall not be prohibited in most circumstances*. Also not infringed is the right of the people to affix these weapons upon any frame that they wish, so long as they have the consent of the object’s owner.
2.0:Definitions;
2.1:Firearms; Any weapon with a projectile diameter of less than twelve point 7 (12.7) millimeters, a projectile length of less than four (4) centimeters, and utilizes a short combustion cycle to propel said projectile out of the weapon and towards a target. The exception to this is shotgun shells/rounds/calibres, which may be of any size applicable for their purpose. These defined firearms may take the form of pistols, rifles, shotguns and large ‘sniper’ rifles. If the ammunition carries over 1/4 ounce of explosive or 4 ounces of propellant then it is governed as artillery/low power explosives. No harmful (read; toxic/otherwise dangerous) biological or chemical elements are banned, as seen later within this bill.
2.2:Low-power explosives; are any explosive material with an explosive force of less than ten kilograms (22 pounds) when shaped into a regular cube measuring 1cm³ before detonation. Upon and after detonation it may not leave behind any harmful chemical, biological or radiological residue/effects upon the environment.
2.3:Artillery;, for the purpose of this bill, to be any weapon with a projectile diameter above 6.5 centimeters.
2.4:Circumstances under which a member of the populace’s right to bear low power exposives and artillery; as legal charges. Unless otherwise stated, instant confiscation, a ban from owning such weapons again and selling the confiscated materials back onto the free market is the penalty. The legal charges applicable are as such; conspiracy to commit murder (with the weapon(s)), manslaughter (four month suspension, official training upon proper use), murder (with the weapon(s)), armed robbery (with the weapon(s)), rape (wherein the weapon(s) were used to coerce the raped party) or property destruction (with the weapon(s)).
3.0:Bans Any weapons with an explosive within them containing anything other than low power explosive, any kind of radiological, biological or dangerous chemical element that causes any detriment to living beings are banned from private usage and ownership. This explicitly bans chemical weapons, biological weapons, dirty bombs or any other weapon that may leave radiation behind. Also banned is the use of any firearm/artillery piece/low power explosive by minor's (read- under the age of eighteen).

Fuck no. There is no way in hell anyone is going to let you have artillery.

[Costa Alegria]

So do you senator believe that the government should be denied the right to use artillery then?

My view is perfectly consistent.

I am against the government using nukes.

Nuclear weapons, yes.

[CTALNH]

Come on people its just 6.5 centimeters!

RPG and light WW1 and 2 mortars at best

[Mishmahig]

So do you senator believe that the government should be denied the right to use artillery then?

My view is perfectly consistent.

I am against the government using nukes.

The government requires the authorization of the duly elected representatives of the people--in this case, the Senate and/or the Executive branch--to utilize artillery. There are checks and balances upon them, unlike with the citizenry.

When the government does use artillery, it deploys it with highly trained men and women, who are authorized and fully aware/comfortable of the destructive power, acting under orders of their government, and through their government, their countrymen. None of these restrictions or conditions are present in the proposed bill.

With all due respect, Senator, your views are just as inconsistent as mine.

[Britcan]

Edits. But I refuse to get rid of artillery.

Urgency: Very High

Drafted by: DuThaal Craftworld

Co-Sponsored by: Hathradic States & the party he is Chairman of.

Recognizing the right of the people to bear weaponry,

Noting that this has become a center of controversy within the senate as of late,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Nation,

Hereby puts the following into effect;
1.0:Statement; The right of the people to possess, use and carry firearms shall not be infringed by any state, federal or other governmental authority. And while the right of the people to bear low-power explosives/artillery may be infringed, it shall not be prohibited in most circumstances*. Also not infringed is the right of the people to affix these weapons upon any frame that they wish, so long as they have the consent of the object’s owner.
2.0:Definitions;
2.1:Firearms; Any weapon with a projectile diameter of less than twelve point 7 (12.7) millimeters, a projectile length of less than four (4) centimeters, and utilizes a short combustion cycle to propel said projectile out of the weapon and towards a target. The exception to this is shotgun shells/rounds/calibres, which may be of any size applicable for their purpose. These defined firearms may take the form of pistols, rifles, shotguns and large ‘sniper’ rifles. If the ammunition carries over 1/4 ounce of explosive or 4 ounces of propellant then it is governed as artillery/low power explosives. No harmful (read; toxic/otherwise dangerous) biological or chemical elements are banned, as seen later within this bill.
2.2:Low-power explosives; are any explosive material with an explosive force of less than ten kilograms (22 pounds) when shaped into a regular cube measuring 1cm³ before detonation. Upon and after detonation it may not leave behind any harmful chemical, biological or radiological residue/effects upon the environment.
2.3:Artillery;, for the purpose of this bill, to be any weapon with a projectile diameter above 6.5 centimeters.
2.4:Circumstances under which a member of the populace’s right to bear low power exposives and artillery; as legal charges. Unless otherwise stated, instant confiscation, a ban from owning such weapons again and selling the confiscated materials back onto the free market is the penalty. The legal charges applicable are as such; conspiracy to commit murder (with the weapon(s)), manslaughter (four month suspension, official training upon proper use), murder (with the weapon(s)), armed robbery (with the weapon(s)), rape (wherein the weapon(s) were used to coerce the raped party) or property destruction (with the weapon(s)).
3.0:Bans Any weapons with an explosive within them containing anything other than low power explosive, any kind of radiological, biological or dangerous chemical element that causes any detriment to living beings are banned from private usage and ownership. This explicitly bans chemical weapons, biological weapons, dirty bombs or any other weapon that may leave radiation behind. Also banned is the use of any firearm/artillery piece/low power explosive by minor's (read- under the age of eighteen).

I completely oppose this.

[Seelelander]

However if the government has nukes, I am in favor of presenting them to the populace to point out that mutually assured destruction goes both ways.

It is also what guarantees peace in a grand scale.

Armed Citizenry allows this to succeed in a small scale. An armed populace is a polite one, and it also is one with reduced violent crimes.

Also as I said it is used to ensure that monopoly of force DOES NOT HAPPEN.

[Costa Alegria]

Come on people its just 6.5 centimeters!

RPG and light WW1 and 2 mortars at best

No. Anyone that cannot be trusted with crayons can not be trusted with high-explosive ordinance.

[Mishmahig]

However if the government has nukes, I am in favor of presenting them to the populace to point out that mutually assured destruction goes both ways.

It is also what guarantees peace in a grand scale.

Armed Citizenry allows this to succeed in a small scale. An armed populace is a polite one, and it also is one with reduced violent crimes.

Also as I said it is used to ensure that monopoly of force DOES NOT HAPPEN.

Source beyond reasonable doubt, please.

Also, while I'm offline, please answer my previous question:

Why is this a bad thing? Why should a corporation be able to use such weapons if not an individual?

Because the average citizen has no need for artillery. Organizations for mercenaries and whatnot do, as that's part of their business. I have no beef with that. Individuals, however, don't exactly need howitzers in their 9-5 jobs.

Secondly, please point me to a stable government in history that has ever allowed citizens to own artillery. I'll wait.

[Seelelander]

The government requires the authorization of the duly elected representatives of the people--in this case, the Senate and/or the Executive branch--to utilize artillery. There are checks and balances upon them, unlike with the citizenry.

Don't be daft, we haven't even decided if we will have a republic or a monarchy. We DO NOT HAVE an electoral branch.

When the government does use artillery, it deploys it with highly trained men and women, who are authorized and fully aware/comfortable of the destructive power, acting under orders of their government, and through their government, their countrymen. None of these restrictions or conditions are present in the proposed bill.

We do not have an organized military. We have a police force made up of Kouries.

With all due respect, Senator, your views are just as inconsistent as mine.

With all due respect. You are operating off assumptions that don't exist.

Secondly, please point me to a stable government in history that has ever allowed citizens to own artillery. I'll wait.

^This ASSUMPTION.

We do not HAVE a stable government. We are in transition. We hardly HAVE a government.

[CTALNH]

Come on people its just 6.5 centimeters!

RPG and light WW1 and 2 mortars at best

No. Anyone that cannot be trusted with crayons can not be trusted with high-explosive ordinance.

Well good thing we have stocked our equipment then...

[Costa Alegria]

Well good thing we have stocked our equipment then...

You're not going to have artillery. End. Of. Story.

[Seelelander]

You're not going to have artillery. End. Of. Story.

VOTE. ON. IT.

Do not throw commands. You are no tyrant who I have to answer to. You are my equal, and you will accept that you are my equal, or I will assert that all free men vote against you. Tyrant.

[Costa Alegria]

VOTE. ON. IT.

Do not throw commands. You are no tyrant who I have to answer to. You are my equal, and you will accept that you are my equal, or I will assert that all free men vote against you. Tyrant.

It will be defeated. No one is retarded enough to allow people to own artillery, least of all you people.

And I'm not a tyrant.

[CTALNH]

Well good thing we have stocked our equipment then...

You're not going to have artillery. End. Of. Story.

And what are we gonna do with all the equipment we already have?

[Costa Alegria]

And what are we gonna do with all the equipment we already have?

Hand it over to the government, as per legislation which will likely be put into queue in the chamber.

[Imperiatom]

Arty will be confiscated. I think we should say that if one is found in possession of it one should be strapped across its muzzle and blown to smithereens!

[Costa Alegria]

Arty will be confiscated. I think we should say that if one is found in possession of it one should be strapped across its muzzle and blown to smithereens!

Little bit too much.

[Imperiatom]

Arty will be confiscated. I think we should say that if one is found in possession of it one should be strapped across its muzzle and blown to smithereens!

Little bit too much.

That was a favorite punishment of the colonial Spanish in the Americas.

[CTALNH]

And what are we gonna do with all the equipment we already have?

Hand it over to the government, as per legislation which will likely be put into queue in the chamber.

You want me to hand it to the government?


Okay where should I launch them?

[Mishmahig]

The government requires the authorization of the duly elected representatives of the people--in this case, the Senate and/or the Executive branch--to utilize artillery. There are checks and balances upon them, unlike with the citizenry.

Don't be daft, we haven't even decided if we will have a republic or a monarchy. We DO NOT HAVE an electoral branch.

Then, pray tell, what exactly are we voting on in the Presidential election thread? Clearly not candidates to run the electoral branch, since "we DO NOT HAVE" an electoral branch.

When the government does use artillery, it deploys it with highly trained men and women, who are authorized and fully aware/comfortable of the destructive power, acting under orders of their government, and through their government, their countrymen. None of these restrictions or conditions are present in the proposed bill.

We do not have an organized military. We have a police force made up of Kouries.

And when the National Security Act passes, we will have a military, after which my words apply. This bill will only come to vote after the military is created.

With all due respect, Senator, your views are just as inconsistent as mine.

With all due respect. You are operating off assumptions that don't exist.

As are you, Senator.

Secondly, please point me to a stable government in history that has ever allowed citizens to own artillery. I'll wait.

^This ASSUMPTION.

We do not HAVE a stable government. We are in transition. We hardly HAVE a government.

We are trying to form a stable government.

So tell me, what stable governments allow their citizens to own artillery?

[Agritum]

Here is Lanos' and my completed compromise bill on weapons/firearms and paramilitaries.

Weapon and Paramilitary Regulation Act

Urgency: Very High

Drafted by: Othelos (PC) and Lanos (PC)

Co-Sponsored by:

Recognizing the need to regulate paramailitaries and weapons,

Noting that the Senate is very divided on whether and/or how to perform regulation,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Senate,

Hereby adopts this bill as a compromise.


Section A: General Weapons Restrictions

1a. No person, business, or any other organization, excluding the military and agencies that require destructive devices, may purchase or sell weapons that are not firearms (this excludes weapons in the exclusion section of section D1). Consequences for violating this section can be a fine of 10,000 NSC to 30,000 NSC and/or 10 years and six months and 5,000 NSC for each weapon illegally sold, depending on the severity and frequency of offense.

1b. Weapons excluded from section 1a and may be legally purchased or sold include manual-action guns, pistols, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. Purchasers or sellers must be at least 18 years of age. Sellers under age 18 will have to pay a fine of 2,500 NSC for each weapon sold.

1bi. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1bii. Weapons purchased before the existence of the Senate shall be excluded from section 1a, but only if the weapon(s) identification code and owners' name and address(es) are registered in the national database. The penalty for failing to do so can be anywhere from 2,500 NSC to 15,000 NSC, depending on the severity of the infraction of the number of weapons per owner.

2a. Businesses, organizations, or persons that sell any weapons that comply with section 1b must perform stringent background check on all persons purchasing weapons, and then add the purchaser's name, address(es), and purchased weapon(s) identification code to a national database, in order to ensure better security for the nation. Failure to comply with this section will result in a fine of anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 NSC, with 5,000 NSC added for each weapon improperly sold.

2b. Any prospective purchaser of automatic weapons must also obtain a permit from the government before purchasing one of these weapons. In order to obtain a licence, the prospective purchaser may not have a) committed a serious criminal offense or b) have a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Prospective purchasers of manual-action guns, pistols, or semi-automatic weapons may obtain a permit if they wish, but are not obligated to.

3. Each citizen shall have the right to bear arms, as long as he or she complies with section 1bii, 2a, and 2b of this act. However, a citizen may not carry any arms in public areas (excluding gun ranges and specially designated hunting areas). If a citizen violates this section, he or she can face anything from a 5,000 to 50,000 NSC fine, depending on the type and number of weapons. If a weapon is discharged or used in a public area other than gun ranges and specially designated hunting areas, a fine of the same range on top of 10 years imprisonment may be sentenced.

Section B: Body Armor and Other Personal Protective Equipment

1a. The purchase, possession, and sale of body armor in the country shall be legal with the same general restrictions as regulating the purchase, possession, and sale of weapons that do not require a government permit. Body armor may be legally sold or purchased by individuals that are at least 18 years of age and must not have committed a serious criminal offense. Persons that have been convicted of a serious criminal offense are forbidden to purchase such armor.

1b. Using body armor for defense during violent crime shall be illegal, and will warrant anything from a fine of 30,000 NSC to lifetime imprisonment, depending on the degree and frequency of use.

1c. Certain types of body armor that are to be restricted to civilians are types that feature a special feature that enables protection from rifle rounds in contrast to normal body armor that protects against pistol rounds. Such a purchase must require a government permit before its purchase. It is an offense to possess such body armor without a permit and punishable by a 10,000 NSC fine.

2. The possession of other types of protective equipment, such as gas masks, shall be legal for possession regardless of criminal history or mental history.

Section C: Restrictions on Paramilitaries

1. Paramilitaries are permitted to contain up to 1500 people and possess weapons that comply with sections A1 and D1.

2a. Paramilitaries that contain over 1500 people, after the passage of this act, have a ten day grace period before they must give their weapons up to the government. They may voluntarily give up weapons before the grace period ends. The government must store these firearms in a secure, secret location, if they comply with section A1 and D1. Weapons that do not comply with section A1 and D1 will be destroyed.

2b. If a weapon that has been confiscated and complies with sections A1 and D1 is damaged or destroyed, the government must fully compensate the value of the damages, according to the degree of damage or destruction.

2c. Members of paramilitary organizations that are or were in a state of belligerence against the government and were captured by government forces may not retain their privately-owned weapons and must give their weapons up for secret and secure storage to the government. They shall retain the right to bear arms again unless proven guilty of a crime in a court of law for a) a serious criminal offense or b) crimes related to to paramilitary organization, and the government must destroy all weapons of owners found guilty.

3. Once a paramilitary containing over 1500 people has been reduced to 1500 people, the government must return confiscated weapons to members and ex-members.

Section D: Definitions

1. Destructive devices are defined as weapons including, but not limited to, chemical/biological/incindiary/magnetic/energy/explosive weapons, rockets, bombs, tanks, experimental weapons, and weapons in development. Weapons excluded, and that are legal to purchase, are swords (or similar), knives, and bow and arrows.

2. A mental illness is defined as a psychological pattern or anomaly that is generally associated with distress or disability, and which is not considered part of normal development in our culture. For the purposes of this bill, this only includes mental disorders that do not cause the person to become violent or lose touch with reality.

3. A background check is defined as a comprehensive investigation in the history of a person for serious criminal offenses or mental illness. Any persons found to have one or both is not permitted to purchase any weapons.

4. A national database is defined as a secure storage site for data. For the purposes of this bill, the database will only hold the name, weapon(s) identification code, and address(es) of a weapon owner.

5. A serious criminal offense is defined as violent crime, such as sexual offenses, murder, manslaughter, abduction, robbery, extortion, and assault.

6. A paramilitary is defined as an organization of people that functions as a military, but is not part of the state.

7. A weapon identification code is defined as a unique code between six and ten digits, which all weapons are required to possess. This, however, excludes antique weapons which are only for the purpose of collection or display. Failure to comply with this section will warrant a fine of between 5000 NSC and 25000 NSC, depending on whether the weapon whether the weapon was used in a crime.

Can I second my own bill? Then seconded.

Thirded.

[Mishmahig]

Can I second my own bill? Then seconded.

Thirded.

Fourthed.

[DuThaal Craftworld]

Okay, I'll budge. Arty ban. Will that calm everyone the fuck down?

[Unicario]

Internal Security Force Bill (2013)
Co-drafted by: Costa Alegria and Wolfmanne || Urgency: High
Co-sponsors: Progressive-Conservative Party(?), Britcan (TR, possible)

Preamble
The security of our nation is a top priority for the government and the Senate. Election to the Senate gives you the responsibility to ensure that you can hold the government to account in ensuring the safety and security of our people. However, it is not the responsibility of individual political parties to act as the judge, jury and executioner, for only multiple political parties and not just one can hold the government to account. Furthermore, we recognise that whether you support or oppose the Right to Bear Arms, in a time such as this, we need to reach a compromise until specific firearms legislation promoting or restricting the ownership of guns. In order to further the government's ability to ensure the security of this nation, we see the need for the creation of a government organisation to do just that, as evidenced by the 1st Festival of Republic, where armed right-wing paramilitaries are attempting to agitate left-wing paramilitaries into destabilising the nation.

Article 1: Formation
1a: In light of potential civil war and for use in a time of a national or regional emergency the Aurentinian National Guard is to be established under the auspices of the Ministry of the Interior.
1b: A National Guard Training Academy shall also be established with the function of training officers.
1c: Also establishes specially trained sub-forces for special operations and riot control.
1d: The National Guard shall be organised into a series of Brigades consisting of a number of Regiments from different regions.
1e: In times of war, the Nationla Guard or individual Brigades and Regiments may be drafted by the National Defense Force to provide rear security, police the military and for national defense against external threats, based upon the threat to national security this war may have. Gendarmes are to be considered a part of the military and not civilians, however whilst the Aurentinian National Guard is considered to be a military organisation, it does not come under the National Defense Force but the Ministry of the Interior, unless they have been drafted.
1d: All National Guard officers shall be accountable for their actions and subject to review by both the Ministry of the Interior and the Ministry of Justice.
1f: Gendarmes shall have policing powers as established by the Policing and Law Enforcement Act in situations where which require the tempoary deployment of National Guard personnel or within jurisidictions that apply to the National Guard.

Article 2: Jurisdiction and Deployment
2a: The Aurentinian National Guard shall provide security of public institutions, ministries and courts, embassies and consulates international airports, national museums, nuclear power plants, riots & crowds control, publicly crowded events and our national borders.
2b: The Aurentinian National Guard shall conduct high risk arrests, disaster response, SWAT operations, the suppression of internal armed conflicts and riots, the policing of areas without a sufficient amount of civilian police, to support local constabularies and counter-terrorism operations.
2c: Herein also decrees that the National Guard shall assist the Police, Emergency Medical Services and the Fire Service in times of natural or man-made disaster.

Article 3: Uniforms and Equipment
3a: All members of the National Guard shall have three primary uniforms: Dress, Operational and Ceremonial.
3b: Operational uniforms shall consist of a standard red beret, black bulletproof vest and belt kit (both of which should not intrude into how the officer moves), a khaki green polo shirt and light khaki button shirt along with accompanying jersey and cargo pants as well as black combat boots.
3c: Mandating that all National Guard officers on duty may carry the following equipment:
[*]One pair of handcuffs.
[*]One telescopic baton.
[*]One can of CS spray.
[*]One personal radio set.
[*]The badge of the National Guard.
Additionally, it shall be mandated that all National Guard officers shall have the minimum of one firearm per officer with spare ammunition as the officer sees fit.
3d: Mandating that all National Guard officers use firearms that use the same calibre of ammunition as both the National Defense Force and the National Police Force. Officers may also use firearms seized from criminals and paramilitaries as long as they comply with safety regulations and are military grade or the equivalent.
3e: Herein forbids officers to use firearms which are temporarily seized from their owners or garishly decorated.
3f: Recommending that the National Guard adopt a standardised vehicle for their respective tasks.
3g: Mandating that all non-combat vehicles carry a green and white livery with blue lights. Mandating that all combat vehicles carry a dark green livery with white letters and orange hazard lights.
3h: Allowing National Guard officers to use non-combat and combat ground vehicles in operations.
3i: Allowing National Guard officers the use of seized or captured non-combat and combat vehicles.

Repost.

Urgency: Very High

Drafted by: DuThaal Craftworld

Co-Sponsored by: Hathradic States & the party he is Chairman of.

Recognizing the right of the people to bear weaponry,

Noting that this has become a center of controversy within the senate as of late,

Recommending the Senate to adopt this bill in order to ensure the integrity of the Nation,

Hereby puts the following into effect;
1.0:Statement; The right of the people to possess, use and carry firearms shall not be infringed by any state, federal or other governmental authority. And while the right of the people to bear low-power explosives/artillery may be infringed, it shall not be prohibited in most circumstances*. Also not infringed is the right of the people to affix these weapons upon any frame that they wish, so long as they have the consent of the object’s owner.
2.0:Definitions;
2.1:Firearms; Any weapon with a projectile diameter of less than twelve point 7 (12.7) millimeters, a projectile length of less than four (4) centimeters, and utilizes a short combustion cycle to propel said projectile out of the weapon and towards a target. The exception to this is shotgun shells/rounds/calibres, which may be of any size applicable for their purpose. These defined firearms may take the form of pistols, rifles, shotguns and large ‘sniper’ rifles. If the ammunition carries over 1/4 ounce of explosive or 4 ounces of propellant then it is governed as artillery/low power explosives. No harmful (read; toxic/otherwise dangerous) biological or chemical elements are banned, as seen later within this bill.
2.2:Low-power explosives; are any explosive material with an explosive force of less than ten kilograms (22 pounds) when shaped into a regular cube measuring 1cm³ before detonation. Upon and after detonation it may not leave behind any harmful chemical, biological or radiological residue/effects upon the environment.
2.3:Artillery;, for the purpose of this bill, to be any weapon with a projectile diameter above 6.35 centimeters.
2.4:Circumstances under which a member of the populace’s right to bear low power exposives and artillery; as legal charges. Unless otherwise stated, instant confiscation, a ban from owning such weapons again and selling the confiscated materials back onto the free market is the penalty. The legal charges applicable are as such; conspiracy to commit murder (with the weapon(s)), manslaughter (four month suspension, official training upon proper use), murder (with the weapon(s)), armed robbery (with the weapon(s)), rape (wherein the weapon(s) were used to coerce the raped party) or property destruction (with the weapon(s)).

I back both of these bills.