NSG Senate Coffee Shop [NSG Senate]

[Geilinor]

Let's end the debate now so the 1500 limit can be discussed by individual parties.

[Hathradic States]

Remove the remaining 10% and the Internal Security Act might not apply to your party.

Step down from the Senate and I might consider it.

[Finium]

No one fears radical parties, but radical parties seem to fear us, which makes us afraid for what they might do in that stupor of fear.

And yet it seems they're not afraid, they don't want a rebellion as much as you don't, but they want to continue using their paramilitaries as ceremonial pieces, and to guard their compounds, etcetera and so forth.

What's the big deal if there is a compromise on the table? It's not as if we're going to go back on that.

If they weren't afraid then why have I been told that the only reason that these paramilitaries exist in is preparation for some future incident?

[Greater Pokarnia]

I'd request that we refrain from calling each other "evil". I'm confident each member of this senate has the country's best interests at heart, even if you believe their policies are wrong.

[Unicario]

And yet it seems they're not afraid, they don't want a rebellion as much as you don't, but they want to continue using their paramilitaries as ceremonial pieces, and to guard their compounds, etcetera and so forth.

What's the big deal if there is a compromise on the table? It's not as if we're going to go back on that.

If they weren't afraid then why have I been told that the only reason that these paramilitaries exist in is preparation for some future incident?

'Tis better to be safe than sorry.

[Zweite Alaje]

The would depend on who is the evil side of the issue, I'd say it certainly isn't us.

So we're the evil side?

It should be obvious how I feel about liberalism, many here have debated with me before.

[Ceannairceach]

We are not building Rome, Senator. We are attempting to have a civil government free from the threats of partisan violence. This shouldn't be a topic of debate; Every senator here, from every party, should invest their trust in the democratic system, not in the force of arms.

Senator Cean, work with me here. We're trying to find a compromise to step towards what you and your comrades are pushing for. Give faith in the NIFP's morality. This debate does nothing for my effort to convince the party to abandon paramilitaries soon.

Come on, I'm trying.

No. The NIFP lost its credibility as a faction for the benefit of the nation when it established a paramilitary force. Democracy rules, not guns.

[Hathradic States]

We are nationalist. Do you think we want our nation destroyed? We love our nation, and only wish its strength. (and freedom from leftist tyrants, but you can't have everything[/joke])

Then you will disband your paramilitary and throw your support behind the government. It is only logical.

Not until we know the government will support us, and not turn its jackals on our constituents.

[Unicario]

Senator Cean, work with me here. We're trying to find a compromise to step towards what you and your comrades are pushing for. Give faith in the NIFP's morality. This debate does nothing for my effort to convince the party to abandon paramilitaries soon.

Come on, I'm trying.

No. The NIFP lost its credibility as a faction for the benefit of the nation when it established a paramilitary force. Democracy rules, not guns.

You do understand that I'm in active discussion with my Chairman to convince him to disband the paramilitaries? Why risk upsetting my diplomatic campaign just to get immediate gratification.

I'm trying, god damnit.

[Finium]

If they weren't afraid then why have I been told that the only reason that these paramilitaries exist in is preparation for some future incident?

'Tis better to be safe than sorry.

I suppose I struggle to see the threat to safety, but I regress, hopefully diplomacy can prevail.

[The Realm of God]

I would ask that you do the same, senator.

I'm not being melodramatic. I'm not the one running around bitching about non-existent party disciplinary actions or being called a terrorist.

Chairman Hath has agreed to cut his paramilitary down 90%. That's a damn lot more than you would get otherwise.

Remove the remaining 10% and the Internal Security Act might not apply to your party.

Cool off the rhetoric and see if we can agree to the 90% reduction.

[Costa Alegria]

Step down from the Senate and I might consider it.

You and I both know hell will freeze over before that will happen. But don't worry. I'm sure we can find a nice replacement for your seat.

[Ceannairceach]

Then you will disband your paramilitary and throw your support behind the government. It is only logical.

Not until we know the government will support us, and not turn its jackals on our constituents.

You expect favoritism in exchange for peace? You do not seem to be a nationalist, sir, but rather a opportunist who seeks to weaken the government to serve his own interests.

The government supports you so far that it gives you a voice equal to everyone else in the Senate. Asking for anything more than that is immoral and thief-like.

[Mishmahig]

Senator Cean, work with me here. We're trying to find a compromise to step towards what you and your comrades are pushing for. Give faith in the NIFP's morality. This debate does nothing for my effort to convince the party to abandon paramilitaries soon.

Come on, I'm trying.

No. The NIFP lost its credibility as a faction for the benefit of the nation when it established a paramilitary force. Democracy rules, not guns.

Senator, why not a mutual disarmament, phased out over a period of a few months or years? Such efforts would eliminate the threat to our nation, as well as reassure the members of those groups that the government will not act to oppress their views.

[Unicario]

'Tis better to be safe than sorry.

I suppose I struggle to see the threat to safety, but I regress, hopefully diplomacy can prevail.

Quite. The paramilitaries do not immediately mean anti-democracy. But I'm trying to understand both points of view, okay? It's kind of hard to listen to people when they're mad and flipping tables over this shit.

[Unicario]

Not until we know the government will support us, and not turn its jackals on our constituents.

You expect favoritism in exchange for peace? You do not seem to be a nationalist, sir, but rather a opportunist who seeks to weaken the government to serve his own interests.

The government supports you so far that it gives you a voice equal to everyone else in the Senate. Asking for anything more than that is immoral and thief-like.

We're not fucking talking about favoritism. We're talking about guarantees that our party won't be molested by opportunists.

[Zweite Alaje]

Senator Cean, work with me here. We're trying to find a compromise to step towards what you and your comrades are pushing for. Give faith in the NIFP's morality. This debate does nothing for my effort to convince the party to abandon paramilitaries soon.

Come on, I'm trying.

No. The NIFP lost its credibility as a faction for the benefit of the nation when it established a paramilitary force. Democracy rules, not guns.

The NIFP not any of the other parties with paramilitaries have attacked anyone or anything, they are strictly for party defense. If we wanted to violently retaliate, we would've done it already.

[Hathradic States]

Step down from the Senate and I might consider it.

You and I both know hell will freeze over before that will happen. But don't worry. I'm sure we can find a nice replacement for your seat.

Is that a threat, Senator?

[Geilinor]

So we're the evil side?

It should be obvious how I feel about liberalism, many here have debated with me before.

I am familiar with that.

[Costa Alegria]

Cool off the rhetoric and see if we can agree to the 90% reduction.

I'm not going to agree on anything with anyone, including you. I've made my position perfectly clear many times.

[Hathradic States]

Not until we know the government will support us, and not turn its jackals on our constituents.

You expect favoritism in exchange for peace? You do not seem to be a nationalist, sir, but rather a opportunist who seeks to weaken the government to serve his own interests.

The government supports you so far that it gives you a voice equal to everyone else in the Senate. Asking for anything more than that is immoral and thief-like.

We want to know we wont be attacked, which we now have no guarantee of.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Cool off the rhetoric and see if we can agree to the 90% reduction.

I'm not going to agree on anything with anyone, including you. I've made my position perfectly clear many times.

There are times when we must get off our high-horses and compromise for the sake of peace and democracy.

[Shrillland]

I suppose I struggle to see the threat to safety, but I regress, hopefully diplomacy can prevail.

Quite. The paramilitaries do not immediately mean anti-democracy. But I'm trying to understand both points of view, okay? It's kind of hard to listen to people when they're mad and flipping tables over this shit.

I respect the honourable senator is trying to take the moderate position, but her party is not the only one with Paramilitaries. Suppose the other parties try to use theirs.

[Unicario]

Quite. The paramilitaries do not immediately mean anti-democracy. But I'm trying to understand both points of view, okay? It's kind of hard to listen to people when they're mad and flipping tables over this shit.

I respect the honourable senator is trying to take the moderate position, but her party is not the only one with Paramilitaries. Suppose the other parties try to use theirs.

Then crush them like flies. Honestly, I only care about the NIFP and it's position in the Senate.

[Geilinor]

I'm not going to agree on anything with anyone, including you. I've made my position perfectly clear many times.

There are times when we must get off our high-horses and compromise for the sake of peace and democracy.

I can't believe paramilitaries has been the most heated debate in the senate.