NSG Senate Coffee Shop [NSG Senate]

[Ceannairceach]

Do you feel threatened by the senate that you serve in? Do you find yourself afraid that you will be killed or assaulted by the senate you serve in? Are you terrified that the senate you serve in is actively plotting your downfall?

Many have opposed our party since it's creation, Senator. One such party is now the largest party in the Senate. We have every reason to fear them.

However, we have agreed to Realm of God's compromise.

The Totally Rad party may be opposed to the NIFP's ideology, Senator, but we have never sought to limit its ability to participate in the government. As the largest party, and one of those without a paramilitary wing, perhaps you should not lie about our goals or intentions.

[Costa Alegria]

I object to paramilitaries and people with military grade weaponry senator.

So do I, Senator, but you must agree that insults do nothing but inflame the situation, and lower the possibility of compromise and/or discussion.

I don't intend on compromise, senator. I don't wish to comprise with those that threaten the stability of the state, nor threaten it directly.

[Shrillland]

We aren't that overzealous. I don't think my party would support a paramilitary. Nor the Progressive-Conservatives or the Totally Rad Party.

That is unfortunate. As usual the liberals refuse to be pragmatic.

Refuse to be pragmatic? Are we not pragmatic because we know what the dangers of Party paramilitaries are?

[Unicario]

Many have opposed our party since it's creation, Senator. One such party is now the largest party in the Senate. We have every reason to fear them.

However, we have agreed to Realm of God's compromise.

Have they threatened you, or have they opposed your politics? If they have threatened your existence, then I fully support your military, but if they have only opposed you policies, then you are creating a force to use violence for political purposes.

Chairman Hath has agreed to cut his paramilitary down 90%. That's a damn lot more than you would get otherwise.

[Geilinor]

I second this. We cannot afford to have this rip us apart.

Besides, we have other, more important laws to pass first.

Scale it back to 1500 people, and we will cease discussion or the issue, as a show of good faith.

My party will consider that.

[Zweite Alaje]

Compromise has been reached.

There is a God.

No, it hasn't. I don't believe that TROG has been given the authority to negotiate on behalf of the Progress Coalition, nor the PC, nor the anti-paramilitary movement in general.

You'd be willing to risk the compromise for your party's own purposes?

[Ceannairceach]

Agreed.

OOC: You have to await for Arc to get on for our factbook to show it.

I now ask this arguement to cease as Hath has kept his end of the bargain. The first step towards Détente has been achieved and I ask for the cooperation of my fellow senators.

Respectfully, Senator, no. In a comprise between good and evil, only evil stands to gain.

[Unicario]

Senators, if you fear radical politics on my party's behalf, know that I am a moderate within the party, and am fully willing to keep the paramilitary in line to prevent any radical actions by radical people.

[Unicario]

I now ask this arguement to cease as Hath has kept his end of the bargain. The first step towards Détente has been achieved and I ask for the cooperation of my fellow senators.

Respectfully, Senator, no. In a comprise between good and evil, only evil stands to gain.

Even if it means that at a later date, you could win?

[Ceannairceach]

No, it hasn't. I don't believe that TROG has been given the authority to negotiate on behalf of the Progress Coalition, nor the PC, nor the anti-paramilitary movement in general.

You'd be willing to risk the compromise for your party's own purposes?

Would you mind rephrasing the question, Senator? I do not understand it in its current form.

[Unicario]

You'd be willing to risk the compromise for your party's own purposes?

Would you mind rephrasing the question, Senator? I do not understand it in its current form.

Hath has agreed to cut the paramilitary force down 90% of it's current size. This is a great step toward removing paramilitaries in general. Instead of forcing them to be removed, why not try to work your way there? Rome was not built in a day, Senator.

[Ceannairceach]

Respectfully, Senator, no. In a comprise between good and evil, only evil stands to gain.

Even if it means that at a later date, you could win?

Considering that by this later date the nation could be destroyed, perhaps.

[Geilinor]

No, it hasn't. I don't believe that TROG has been given the authority to negotiate on behalf of the Progress Coalition, nor the PC, nor the anti-paramilitary movement in general.

You'd be willing to risk the compromise for your party's own purposes?

You must understand that the Progress Coalition and the anti-paramilitary movement are diverse. The Progress Coalition has not appointed any one senator to make decisions on it's behalf. We will discuss it first and then make a decision.

[Hathradic States]

I now ask this arguement to cease as Hath has kept his end of the bargain. The first step towards Détente has been achieved and I ask for the cooperation of my fellow senators.

Respectfully, Senator, no. In a comprise between good and evil, only evil stands to gain.

Yes, but we have to compromise now, otherwise evil starts attacking us.

[Unicario]

Even if it means that at a later date, you could win?

Considering that by this later date the nation could be destroyed, perhaps.

You think the NIFP is so radical right and anti-everything that they'd go into open rebellion if a compromise was made?

[Finium]

Senators, if you fear radical politics on my party's behalf, know that I am a moderate within the party, and am fully willing to keep the paramilitary in line to prevent any radical actions by radical people.

No one fears radical parties, but radical parties seem to fear us, which makes us afraid for what they might do in that stupor of fear.

[The Realm of God]

I now ask this arguement to cease as Hath has kept his end of the bargain. The first step towards Détente has been achieved and I ask for the cooperation of my fellow senators.

Respectfully, Senator, no. In a comprise between good and evil, only evil stands to gain.

Consider it as a role play copy of the SALT talks from the 70's

[Zweite Alaje]

I now ask this arguement to cease as Hath has kept his end of the bargain. The first step towards Détente has been achieved and I ask for the cooperation of my fellow senators.

Respectfully, Senator, no. In a comprise between good and evil, only evil stands to gain.

The would depend on who is the evil side of the issue, I'd say it certainly isn't us.

[Costa Alegria]

I would ask that you do the same, senator.

I'm not being melodramatic. I'm not the one running around bitching about non-existent party disciplinary actions or being called a terrorist.

Chairman Hath has agreed to cut his paramilitary down 90%. That's a damn lot more than you would get otherwise.

Remove the remaining 10% and the Internal Security Act might not apply to your party.

[Unicario]

Senators, if you fear radical politics on my party's behalf, know that I am a moderate within the party, and am fully willing to keep the paramilitary in line to prevent any radical actions by radical people.

No one fears radical parties, but radical parties seem to fear us, which makes us afraid for what they might do in that stupor of fear.

And yet it seems they're not afraid, they don't want a rebellion as much as you don't, but they want to continue using their paramilitaries as ceremonial pieces, and to guard their compounds, etcetera and so forth.

What's the big deal if there is a compromise on the table? It's not as if we're going to go back on that.

[Hathradic States]

Even if it means that at a later date, you could win?

Considering that by this later date the nation could be destroyed, perhaps.

We are nationalist. Do you think we want our nation destroyed? We love our nation, and only wish its strength. (and freedom from leftist tyrants, but you can't have everything[/joke])

[Ceannairceach]

Would you mind rephrasing the question, Senator? I do not understand it in its current form.

Hath has agreed to cut the paramilitary force down 90% of it's current size. This is a great step toward removing paramilitaries in general. Instead of forcing them to be removed, why not try to work your way there? Rome was not built in a day, Senator.

We are not building Rome, Senator. We are attempting to have a civil government free from the threats of partisan violence. This shouldn't be a topic of debate; Every senator here, from every party, should invest their trust in the democratic system, not in the force of arms.

[Geilinor]

Respectfully, Senator, no. In a comprise between good and evil, only evil stands to gain.

The would depend on who is the evil side of the issue, I'd say it certainly isn't us.

So we're the evil side?

[Ceannairceach]

Considering that by this later date the nation could be destroyed, perhaps.

We are nationalist. Do you think we want our nation destroyed? We love our nation, and only wish its strength. (and freedom from leftist tyrants, but you can't have everything[/joke])

Then you will disband your paramilitary and throw your support behind the government. It is only logical.

[Unicario]

Hath has agreed to cut the paramilitary force down 90% of it's current size. This is a great step toward removing paramilitaries in general. Instead of forcing them to be removed, why not try to work your way there? Rome was not built in a day, Senator.

We are not building Rome, Senator. We are attempting to have a civil government free from the threats of partisan violence. This shouldn't be a topic of debate; Every senator here, from every party, should invest their trust in the democratic system, not in the force of arms.

Senator Cean, work with me here. We're trying to find a compromise to step towards what you and your comrades are pushing for. Give faith in the NIFP's morality. This debate does nothing for my effort to convince the party to abandon paramilitaries soon.

Come on, I'm trying.