NSG Senate Coffee Shop [NSG Senate]

[Costa Alegria]

I will oppose your bill and I shall have enormous fun while doing it, Senator.

It would be like your party to oppose allowing the people liberties.

The freedom from being shot up by monster raving lunatics with assault rifles is a civil liberty, senator.

[Finium]

Do you, or do you not plan on using these paramilitaries to carry out an act of violence in any way?

At the current time, we do not.

Is there a foreseeable future in which such organizations would be necessary?

[The Republic of Lanos]

Oh I see. The rhetoric is that everyone that supports or opposes x is a criminal and a terrorist against the state and must be eliminated by force. There is no compromise but only the iron fist of force.

What the fuck.

[Unicario]

All democracy is fragile if it has no safeguards in place to keep it afloat. Any paramilitary force is a threat to Aurentina's Democracy, so all Paramilitary forces must be eliminated.

All paramilitaries are a threat? What if, theoretically, a paramilitary existed to act in cooperation with the police? Paramiltaries are private citizens with guns. What if these paramilitaries could be used by the police to help stop crime?

NIFP paramilitaries in NIFP-majority districts helping stop arsons, vandals, robbers, murderers.

And the central police can regulate what these citizen militias (paramilitaries) do in terms of police force.

And before you rant that the police can handle it, but can they? Why not? The police could probably use the help of citizens willing to lay down their lives to defend the country.

[Hathradic States]

We do not plan on using them, but we have them just incase we need them. Just like a condom you carry in your wallet.

In what situations would you use them? Mild disagreements are not enough reason. Reasonable cause to use a paramilitary would be if the government got completely taken over.

Open attacks on our constituents, assisting the military and police against threats, foreign and domestic, and to be used in the event we have a dictator who wishes to oppress the people.

[Finium]

All democracy is fragile if it has no safeguards in place to keep it afloat. Any paramilitary force is a threat to Aurentina's Democracy, so all Paramilitary forces must be eliminated.

All paramilitaries are a threat? What if, theoretically, a paramilitary existed to act in cooperation with the police? Paramiltaries are private citizens with guns. What if these paramilitaries could be used by the police to help stop crime?

NIFP paramilitaries in NIFP-majority districts helping stop arsons, vandals, robbers, murderers.

And the central police can regulate what these citizen militias (paramilitaries) do in terms of police force.

Or such high-minded men and women could join the official police force instead of taking the law into their own hands

[Geilinor]

All democracy is fragile if it has no safeguards in place to keep it afloat. Any paramilitary force is a threat to Aurentina's Democracy, so all Paramilitary forces must be eliminated.

All paramilitaries are a threat? What if, theoretically, a paramilitary existed to act in cooperation with the police? Paramiltaries are private citizens with guns. What if these paramilitaries could be used by the police to help stop crime?

NIFP paramilitaries in NIFP-majority districts helping stop arsons, vandals, robbers, murderers.

And the central police can regulate what these citizen militias (paramilitaries) do in terms of police force.

Then the paramilitaries should be nonpartisan. Being a wing of a political party makes a paramilitary partisan.

[Mishmahig]

All democracy is fragile if it has no safeguards in place to keep it afloat. Any paramilitary force is a threat to Aurentina's Democracy, so all Paramilitary forces must be eliminated.

All paramilitaries are a threat? What if, theoretically, a paramilitary existed to act in cooperation with the police? Paramiltaries are private citizens with guns. What if these paramilitaries could be used by the police to help stop crime?

NIFP paramilitaries in NIFP-majority districts helping stop arsons, vandals, robbers, murderers.

And the central police can regulate what these citizen militias (paramilitaries) do in terms of police force.

Why not simply merge them into the constabularies, then, Senator?

It would be like your party to oppose allowing the people liberties.

The freedom from being shot up by monster raving lunatics with assault rifles is a civil liberty, senator.

I object to your tone, Senator.

Oh I see. The rhetoric is that everyone that supports or opposes x is a criminal and a terrorist against the state and must be eliminated by force.

What the fuck.

No, Senator. You misunderstand and misrepresent the arguments in question.

[Hathradic States]

At the current time, we do not.

Is there a foreseeable future in which such organizations would be necessary?

You never can tell.

[Shrillland]

All democracy is fragile if it has no safeguards in place to keep it afloat. Any paramilitary force is a threat to Aurentina's Democracy, so all Paramilitary forces must be eliminated.

All paramilitaries are a threat? What if, theoretically, a paramilitary existed to act in cooperation with the police? Paramiltaries are private citizens with guns. What if these paramilitaries could be used by the police to help stop crime?

NIFP paramilitaries in NIFP-majority districts helping stop arsons, vandals, robbers, murderers.

And the central police can regulate what these citizen militias (paramilitaries) do in terms of police force.

Regulations which can be overturned by overzealous partisans. And it is not up to party paramilitaries to dispense law and order just because they have senators in certain ridings.

And before you rant that the police can handle it, but can they? Why not? The police could probably use the help of citizens willing to lay down their lives to defend the country.

Then we shall create a National Guard or let the Military have whatever powers may be needed.

[Costa Alegria]

Why not legalize and heavily regulate and monitor the paramilitaries?

Because political parties have no need for paramilitaries, senator. Otherwise we'd have no effective control over the country and it would make it difficult to enforce law and order.

Is there a foreseeable future in which such organizations would be necessary?

There isn't even a reason at present in which these organisations are necessary.

[Unicario]

All paramilitaries are a threat? What if, theoretically, a paramilitary existed to act in cooperation with the police? Paramiltaries are private citizens with guns. What if these paramilitaries could be used by the police to help stop crime?

NIFP paramilitaries in NIFP-majority districts helping stop arsons, vandals, robbers, murderers.

And the central police can regulate what these citizen militias (paramilitaries) do in terms of police force.

Why not simply merge them into the constabularies, then, Senator?

The freedom from being shot up by monster raving lunatics with assault rifles is a civil liberty, senator.

I object to your tone, Senator.

Oh I see. The rhetoric is that everyone that supports or opposes x is a criminal and a terrorist against the state and must be eliminated by force.

What the fuck.

No, Senator. You misunderstand and misrepresent the arguments in question.

Because the paramiltaries also serve as a parade-piece for the parties, to show off power and splendor -- No violent acts are intended, these party paramilitaries can help the police, not be part of it.

[Hathradic States]

All paramilitaries are a threat? What if, theoretically, a paramilitary existed to act in cooperation with the police? Paramiltaries are private citizens with guns. What if these paramilitaries could be used by the police to help stop crime?

NIFP paramilitaries in NIFP-majority districts helping stop arsons, vandals, robbers, murderers.

And the central police can regulate what these citizen militias (paramilitaries) do in terms of police force.

Then the paramilitaries should be nonpartisan. Being a wing of a political party makes a paramilitary partisan.

Maybe the other parties should raise their own paramilitaries, so we are on equal footing?

[Greater Pokarnia]

I object to using the slur "terrorist" to describe the paramilitaries of the National Imperialist-Party and the Classical Monarchist Party.

The paramilitaries of the left are equally, if not more, to blame for the arms-race going on right now. A terrorist is simply a person that uses violence to achieve political aims, if you don't plan on actually using these paramilitaries, then they are pointless, if you do plan on using them, you can be called a terrorist, just a the leftist ones can.

I'm not sure which leftist parties have paramilitaries other than the Communist and USLP, but I'd like it to be noted that our militia was only formed in response to the far right forming paramilitaries (especially when one of them openly declared that their mission was to "fight communists") before any attempts to imply we are of equal blame to them. I'm not sure what one would expect of us when our political opponents form a paramilitary whose mission statement is to fight us.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Why not legalize and heavily regulate and monitor the paramilitaries?

Because political parties have no need for paramilitaries, senator. Otherwise we'd have no effective control over the country and it would make it difficult to enforce law and order.

Is there a foreseeable future in which such organizations would be necessary?

There isn't even a reason at present in which these organisations are necessary.

You're already saying that we don't have any control. Yet I don't see any clashes with the police and armed forces versus these guys.

[Finium]

Is there a foreseeable future in which such organizations would be necessary?

You never can tell.

So, while you see no need whatsoever in the present day to organize the citizens of this nation into armed combat roles, you maintain that something might happen that would create a need for these paramilitaries.

In what circumstances would the paramilitaries be needed?

[The Realm of God]

I think we need a period of Détente, the authoritarians scale back the power of their organisations and we tone down the rhetoric.

[Mishmahig]

The paramilitaries of the left are equally, if not more, to blame for the arms-race going on right now. A terrorist is simply a person that uses violence to achieve political aims, if you don't plan on actually using these paramilitaries, then they are pointless, if you do plan on using them, you can be called a terrorist, just a the leftist ones can.

I'm not sure which leftist parties have paramilitaries other than the Communist and USLP, but I'd like it to be noted that our militia was only formed in response to the far right forming paramilitaries (especially when one of them openly declared that their mission was to "fight communists") before any attempts to imply we are of equal blame to them. I'm not sure what one would expect of us when our political opponents form a paramilitary whose mission statement is to fight us.

And now that both sides have agreed not to use said paramilitaries on each other, there is little point to that, yes?

[Costa Alegria]

I object to your tone, Senator.

I object to paramilitaries and people with military grade weaponry senator.

[The Republic of Lanos]

I think we need a period of Détente, the authoritarians scale back the power of their organisations and we tone down the rhetoric.

Agreed. Because I'm getting tired of being called a criminal and terrorist indirectly for supporting any number of things by members of my own party.

[Hathradic States]

Oh I see. The rhetoric is that everyone that supports or opposes x is a criminal and a terrorist against the state and must be eliminated by force. There is no compromise but only the iron fist of force.

What the fuck.

We are attempting compromise, Lanos. However, it seems as if a bulk of the anti-paramilitary group will not compromise.

[Unicario]

It's obvious there is a strong impasse and continued discussion on either side will just cause more prolonged problems.

[Mishmahig]

Because political parties have no need for paramilitaries, senator. Otherwise we'd have no effective control over the country and it would make it difficult to enforce law and order.



There isn't even a reason at present in which these organisations are necessary.

You're already saying that we don't have any control. Yet I don't see any clashes with the police and armed forces versus these guys.

Senator, I point to you the controversy over the Internal Security Act and the proposed gun bills. Both of them were met with great opposition from parties with paramilitaries, and threats were made of "resistance", promising that the government would have to "come and get it [referring to guns]".

No clashes have occurred, but they have been threatened.

[Finium]

The paramilitaries of the left are equally, if not more, to blame for the arms-race going on right now. A terrorist is simply a person that uses violence to achieve political aims, if you don't plan on actually using these paramilitaries, then they are pointless, if you do plan on using them, you can be called a terrorist, just a the leftist ones can.

I'm not sure which leftist parties have paramilitaries other than the Communist and USLP, but I'd like it to be noted that our militia was only formed in response to the far right forming paramilitaries (especially when one of them openly declared that their mission was to "fight communists") before any attempts to imply we are of equal blame to them. I'm not sure what one would expect of us when our political opponents form a paramilitary whose mission statement is to fight us.

You would respond to the threat of violence with further violence? Frankly, that disgusts me. You, if truly think that paramilitaries are wrongfully created, should disband yours first as a sign of good faith.

[Hathradic States]

I think we need a period of Détente, the authoritarians scale back the power of their organisations and we tone down the rhetoric.

I second this. We cannot afford to have this rip us apart.

Besides, we have other, more important laws to pass first.