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[Byzantium Imperial]

Municipalities determined to be in high risk areas (ie in the middle of a forest, or on the edge of one) should be required to maintain their own special brush fire units, and in case of emergency the military should be prepared to use their transportation aircraft to drop coolant or whatever crap they drop to put our fires.

Now if we go through with that, an interesting question would be: Do we let the department of the interior make the distinction between high risk areas, or do we copy off insurance companies? Going with the latter would save us bureaucratic expenses, and to be honest the Insurance companies know exactly what areas are at risk to what.

The first part can be addressed in a later drafting of a fire code, if this passes. The Military part would have to be addressed in an amendment to whatever armed forces bill organizes the branches and such. It'd probably be a mix of both for the final part, as the Ministry of Interior would consult the insurance companies.

Well for the military part, there is no law that says the President or senate cant order them to do so. We have no laws against deploying the military on our own home soil, let alone emergencies, so there should be no legal problem there.
Also if we are drafting a law to create a fire department, which is hardly controversial (sure, people like private enterprises but come on: Fire departments are cheap compared to most utilities. Surely this is a bill the state can foot), we might as well go all the way and create a fire code with it. Or we can just put a line into the bill saying the ministry of the interior, or whatever ministry involved, has to come up with a fire code soon. Then we can just magically assume it will happen.

[New Zepuha]

The first part can be addressed in a later drafting of a fire code, if this passes. The Military part would have to be addressed in an amendment to whatever armed forces bill organizes the branches and such. It'd probably be a mix of both for the final part, as the Ministry of Interior would consult the insurance companies.

Well for the military part, there is no law that says the President or senate cant order them to do so. We have no laws against deploying the military on our own home soil, let alone emergencies, so there should be no legal problem there.
Also if we are drafting a law to create a fire department, which is hardly controversial (sure, people like private enterprises but come on: Fire departments are cheap compared to most utilities. Surely this is a bill the state can foot), we might as well go all the way and create a fire code with it. Or we can just put a line into the bill saying the ministry of the interior, or whatever ministry involved, has to come up with a fire code soon. Then we can just magically assume it will happen.

Well if you read in there, I have mandated that the Chief of the Fire Service is to select a group of people upon passing of the bill; that will go and get together to create the fire code. To the military again, take it up with them. I don't like mandating what they should do in a bill not pertaining to them .

[Costa Alegria]

Well Costa, Paramedics are covered by the Universal Healthcare bill. Volunteers are Volunteers for a reason, they have a full-time job and they know they are not going to be paid upon joining. If you not I have listed under a blanket term Fire Vehicles. Referring to any vehicle used by or deemed needed by the Fire Service. There will be no Fire Police as it would be a bureaucratic nightmare, as they would have to go through BOTH academies, and then there is the debate over what they should be carrying or driving. It's a mess, my state tried to do that and it got shot down before it was even written.

Let me ask everyone. Give me a general consensus, do we need special brush fire units?

EDIT: Added brush fire units as an option to municipalities.

You obviously didn't consider the link I posted nor actually bothered to read it. Anyway, paramedics would probably be needed in the Fire Service as they'd respond at exactly the same time or before firefighters and can assess the situation and request equipment if need be.

As for aerial firefighting units, I'd like to go down the French-style route of having them operated by a civil defense type organisation which would assist normal fire fighting forces in bushfires and have small, selected units based in places like national parks for example.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Well for the military part, there is no law that says the President or senate cant order them to do so. We have no laws against deploying the military on our own home soil, let alone emergencies, so there should be no legal problem there.
Also if we are drafting a law to create a fire department, which is hardly controversial (sure, people like private enterprises but come on: Fire departments are cheap compared to most utilities. Surely this is a bill the state can foot), we might as well go all the way and create a fire code with it. Or we can just put a line into the bill saying the ministry of the interior, or whatever ministry involved, has to come up with a fire code soon. Then we can just magically assume it will happen.

Well if you read in there, I have mandated that the Chief of the Fire Service is to select a group of people upon passing of the bill; that will go and get together to create the fire code. To the military again, take it up with them. I don't like mandating what they should do in a bill not pertaining to them .

Very well, i guess we can leave it up to the president or emergency session senate or the military brass wen to deploy. Guess it doesnt require a mandate here.

And yes, i saw that. Which was why i was sort of confused when you were saying we should leave the fire code for another bill. Surely it will either magically write and implement itself, or we will create it manually and it will magically implement itself via magic? That was just my impression

[New Zepuha]

Well Costa, Paramedics are covered by the Universal Healthcare bill. Volunteers are Volunteers for a reason, they have a full-time job and they know they are not going to be paid upon joining. If you not I have listed under a blanket term Fire Vehicles. Referring to any vehicle used by or deemed needed by the Fire Service. There will be no Fire Police as it would be a bureaucratic nightmare, as they would have to go through BOTH academies, and then there is the debate over what they should be carrying or driving. It's a mess, my state tried to do that and it got shot down before it was even written.

Let me ask everyone. Give me a general consensus, do we need special brush fire units?

EDIT: Added brush fire units as an option to municipalities.

You obviously didn't consider the link I posted nor actually bothered to read it. Anyway, paramedics would probably be needed in the Fire Service as they'd respond at exactly the same time or before firefighters and can assess the situation and request equipment if need be.

As for aerial firefighting units, I'd like to go down the French-style route of having them operated by a civil defense type organisation which would assist normal fire fighting forces in bushfires and have small, selected units based in places like national parks for example.

Oh I considered the link, I still don't like it. Well probably, I'll write up a section on paramedics, but I need to see if it wouldn't conflict with the Universal Healthcare bill, if that passes. I agree, but this is just for a general fire service, I believe we would actually need a designated CDF to perform such duties.

[Mitonesia]

Excusw me, just a quick note on that thing of gun rights. May I ask you what are the two countries in the world which have no measure against gun rights. And then compare the death rates by murder in those countries (hint:US and Mexico) with Canada or Italy if will which also has a mob.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Excusw me, just a quick note on that thing of gun rights. May I ask you what are the two countries in the world which have no measure against gun rights. And then compare the death rates by murder in those countries (hint:US and Mexico) with Canada or Italy if will which also has a mob.

Wrong thread idiot. ANd also in mexico they have a drug war and the US is a far larger more diverse place with far more tension then canada.

[Yanalia]

Excusw me, just a quick note on that thing of gun rights. May I ask you what are the two countries in the world which have no measure against gun rights. And then compare the death rates by murder in those countries (hint:US and Mexico) with Canada or Italy if will which also has a mob.

Wrong thread idiot. ANd also in mexico they have a drug war and the US is a far larger more diverse place with far more tension then canada.

Ethics Act + PPUBA.

[New Zepuha]

Excusw me, just a quick note on that thing of gun rights. May I ask you what are the two countries in the world which have no measure against gun rights. And then compare the death rates by murder in those countries (hint:US and Mexico) with Canada or Italy if will which also has a mob.

This isn't the place to discuss that. Anyway I must be off to bed, as it is midnight now and my writing is suffering. I will return to hopefully see more productivity! [fingers crossed]

[Mitonesia]

Excusw me, just a quick note on that thing of gun rights. May I ask you what are the two countries in the world which have no measure against gun rights. And then compare the death rates by murder in those countries (hint:US and Mexico) with Canada or Italy if will which also has a mob.

Wrong thread idiot. ANd also in mexico they have a drug war and the US is a far larger more diverse place with far more tension then canada.

No need to be like that and I advise you to read the recently passed legislation. What thread should it be in as it is in OOC. But I had that doubt when I posted. It is in the lobby isnt it?

[Mitonesia]

Excusw me, just a quick note on that thing of gun rights. May I ask you what are the two countries in the world which have no measure against gun rights. And then compare the death rates by murder in those countries (hint:US and Mexico) with Canada or Italy if will which also has a mob.

This isn't the place to discuss that. Anyway I must be off to bed, as it is midnight now and my writing is suffering. I will return to hopefully see more productivity! [fingers crossed]

I already realized this isnt the right thread. Instead of correcting me just redirect me.

[New Zepuha]

This isn't the place to discuss that. Anyway I must be off to bed, as it is midnight now and my writing is suffering. I will return to hopefully see more productivity! [fingers crossed]

I already realized this isnt the right thread. Instead of correcting me just redirect me.

The thread you seek is hidden amongst a valley of mists and wonder! [The NSG Senate Lobby]

[Byzantium Imperial]

Wrong thread idiot. ANd also in mexico they have a drug war and the US is a far larger more diverse place with far more tension then canada.

No need to be like that and I advise you to read the recently passed legislation. What thread should it be in as it is in OOC. But I had that doubt when I posted. It is in the lobby isnt it?

The chamber thread would be the correct thread for this. Feel free to quote my post and copy paste into the chamber if you wish.

Also sorry for the hostility. Its late and i get spiteful when im tired and pissed

[Ainin]

First Amendment to the Ministry Foundation Act | Author: Ainin [TR] | Sponsors: Maklohi Vai [LD], Mishmahig, Yanalia [RG], Wolfmanne [PC] | Urgency: Low

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Lauding the intentions of the Ministry Foundation Act,

However noticing several odd names for the ministries,

Enacting the following clauses:

The Ministry of Interiors shall henceforth be known as the Ministry of the Interior.

The Ministry of Defense shall henceforth be known as the Ministry of Defence.

The Ministry of Environment shall henceforth be known as the Ministry of the Environment.

The Ministry of Work shall henceforth be known as the Ministry of Labour.

The Ministry of Treasury and Finance shall henceforth be known as the Ministry of Finance and the Treasury.

All laws and statutes mentioning the previous names remain valid.

Hereby passes this amendment to the Ministry Foundation Act.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Im proud to unveil the first version of one of the most important bills we shall vote on

Second Amendment to the Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: Byzantium Imperial
Sponsor(s):

BELIEVING that the right to bear arms, and to defend oneself is a human right, and should be protected by law

HORRIFIED that the senate removed the clause protecting gun rights from the LLA, thereby harming the nation

SEEKING to remedy this problem with a refined version of the gun rights protection clause initially passed in the original LLA which caused many senators to vote to remove it

HEARBY proposes to restore an edited gun rights clause to our bill of rights

(7) The right to own, trade, and produce firearms and ammunition, as well as use them in self defense when life is endangered, shall not be infringed apon.

this is merely the first version. I welcome any wording changes to it, as it is better to have the best possible writing for this very important bill

[Mishmahig]

Im proud to unveil the first version of one of the most important bills we shall vote on

Second Amendment to the Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: Byzantium Imperial
Sponsor(s):

BELIEVING that the right to bear arms, and to defend oneself is an undeniable human right, which is not granted by government and therefore can not be infringed on by government

HORRIFIED that the senate removed the clause protecting gun rights from the LLA, thereby betraying the nation

SEEKING to remedy this problem with a refined version of the gun rights protection clause initially passed in the original LLA which caused many senators to vote to remove it

HEARBY proposes to restore an edited gun rights clause to our bill of rights

(7) The right to own, trade, and produce firearms and ammunition, as well as use them in self defense when ones life is endangered, shall not be infringed apon

this is merely the first version. I welcome any wording changes to it, as it is better to have the best possible writing for this very important bill

I'd rather we not use such inflammatory language. All Senators care for, in their own way, the nation. We may disagree on their methods and means, but we can agree that they are equally patriotic.

[Costa Alegria]

Im proud to unveil the first version of one of the most important bills we shall vote on

Second Amendment to the Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: Byzantium Imperial
Sponsor(s):

BELIEVING that the right to bear arms, and to defend oneself is an undeniable human right, which is not granted by government and therefore can not be infringed on by government

HORRIFIED that the senate removed the clause protecting gun rights from the LLA, thereby harming the nation

SEEKING to remedy this problem with a refined version of the gun rights protection clause initially passed in the original LLA which caused many senators to vote to remove it

HEARBY proposes to restore an edited gun rights clause to our bill of rights

(7) The right to own, trade, and produce firearms and ammunition, as well as use them in self defense when ones life is endangered, shall not be infringed apon

this is merely the first version. I welcome any wording changes to it, as it is better to have the best possible writing for this very important bill

No. And I suggest that you burn this before someone burns your tax-payer funded mansion.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Im proud to unveil the first version of one of the most important bills we shall vote on

Second Amendment to the Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: Byzantium Imperial
Sponsor(s):

BELIEVING that the right to bear arms, and to defend oneself is an undeniable human right, which is not granted by government and therefore can not be infringed on by government

HORRIFIED that the senate removed the clause protecting gun rights from the LLA, thereby betraying the nation

SEEKING to remedy this problem with a refined version of the gun rights protection clause initially passed in the original LLA which caused many senators to vote to remove it

HEARBY proposes to restore an edited gun rights clause to our bill of rights

(7) The right to own, trade, and produce firearms and ammunition, as well as use them in self defense when ones life is endangered, shall not be infringed apon

this is merely the first version. I welcome any wording changes to it, as it is better to have the best possible writing for this very important bill

I'd rather we not use such inflammatory language. All Senators care for, in their own way, the nation. We may disagree on their methods and means, but we can agree that they are equally patriotic.

I disagree, at least the internationalist commies are not nearly as patriotic as the rest of us, and there are plenty in the senate willing to sell the nations soul for their own ideological gratification.
Nonetheless, i have changed the wording to "harmful"



Also costa, my estate has no tax payer money in it thank you very much. I pay way more into the system then i will ever get out of it. Also is that a threat? Thats a crime you know....

[Ainin]

Opposed. The furthest I can support is

(7) The right to defend oneself, one's property and one's loved ones though necessary and reasonable force.

[Costa Alegria]

Also costa, my estate has no tax payer money in it thank you very much. I pay way more into the system then i will ever get out of it. Also is that a threat? Thats a crime you know....

You don't have any rights to own guns in the same way you don't have any rights to own motor vehicles. Firearms are a privilege and should be treated as such.

And I don't like the way your threatening me. Just because I have a magic crystal ball and can see into the future doesn't give you the right to threaten people when the future being predicted isn't peachy enough for your liking.

[Mishmahig]

Also costa, my estate has no tax payer money in it thank you very much. I pay way more into the system then i will ever get out of it. Also is that a threat? Thats a crime you know....

You don't have any rights to own guns in the same way you don't have any rights to own motor vehicles. Firearms are a privilege and should be treated as such.

And I don't like the way your threatening me. Just because I have a magic crystal ball and can see into the future doesn't give you the right to threaten people when the future being predicted isn't peachy enough for your liking.

The prediction is silly, both IC and OOC.

[Costa Alegria]

We should mandate that having a sense of humour is part of the requirements to be in the senate.

[Byzantium Imperial]

We should mandate that having a sense of humour is part of the requirements to be in the senate.

Fine by me. But your jokes have to be funny

[Mishmahig]

We should mandate that having a sense of humour is part of the requirements to be in the senate.

Fine by me. But your jokes have to be funny

Agreed.

I propose that, should a Senator make a joke that most people do not find humorous, they should be smacked lightly with the Newspaper of Shame.

Any Senator who makes a pun will be automatically smacked with the Newspaper of Shame.

[Ainin]

Fine by me. But your jokes have to be funny

Agreed.

I propose that, should a Senator make a joke that most people do not find humorous, they should be smacked lightly with the Newspaper of Shame.

Any Senator who makes a pun will be automatically smacked with the Newspaper of Shame.

I think that's pun-tastic.