NSG Senate Coffee Shop [NSG Senate]

[New Zepuha]

Can I get some sponsors for this act? I want to move it up to the currently debated omnibus.

Second Amendment to the Republican

Executive Act
Drafted by: Yanalia [RG]
Sponsors: Maklohi Vai [LD], Oneracon [RG], The Nihilistic View [LD]

1. The Deputy Prime Minister shall be appointed by the Prime Minister and may perform the duties of the Prime Minister in case of resignation or a physical inability to complete duties on the part of the Prime Minister.

2. Clause 1-A of the REA is hereby struck out and rendered null and void. It shall be replaced with the following clause. "The President shall be the Head of State, elected by the Senate in a two-round system, in which the top two candidates from the first round shall be voted on, unless one candidate attains a majority of 50%+1 of the total votes in the first round, upon which that candidate assumes the Presidency without a second round of voting."

I will sponsor this. *generic smile*

[Yanalia]

I've got it in the queue already guys, thanks. This was more of an addition to Wolf's amendment in an expedited form.

[Geilinor]

Considering I currently live in the UK and can see the effect of these austerity measures and I provided actual sources compared to people who provided none? Sounds legit.

I do as well and outside of the debate I can voice my own views, some of your sources are not truthful and I expect better of you.

British economic growth is still poor. Austerity is reducing the deficit, but it isn't helping the economy grow much.

[Geilinor]

Can I get some sponsors for this act? I want to move it up to the currently debated omnibus.

Second Amendment to the Republican

Executive Act
Drafted by: Yanalia [RG]
Sponsors: Maklohi Vai [LD], Oneracon [RG], The Nihilistic View [LD]

1. The Deputy Prime Minister shall be appointed by the Prime Minister and may perform the duties of the Prime Minister in case of resignation or a physical inability to complete duties on the part of the Prime Minister.

2. Clause 1-A of the REA is hereby struck out and rendered null and void. It shall be replaced with the following clause. "The President shall be the Head of State, elected by the Senate in a two-round system, in which the top two candidates from the first round shall be voted on, unless one candidate attains a majority of 50%+1 of the total votes in the first round, upon which that candidate assumes the Presidency without a second round of voting."

What you need to do is add a clause in which allows the Prime Minister and their ministers to be in office for the same time as the President. To avoid all the unnecessary shit that's going on currently.

Yes, that would have avoided the earlier gridlock by having fresh presidential elections.

[Rumostan]

I do as well and outside of the debate I can voice my own views, some of your sources are not truthful and I expect better of you.

British economic growth is still poor. Austerity is reducing the deficit, but it isn't helping the economy grow much.

Yes but quite frankly, do you expect that we would be jumping for joy and on our way to becoming a nation with a good economic record quickly?

EDIT: That graph does not show the improvement in the economy this year.

[NSG Senate Administrators]

Guardian-reading-left-wing-insane-people

Not necessary. Stop.

[Priory Academy USSR]

British economic growth is still poor. Austerity is reducing the deficit, but it isn't helping the economy grow much.

Yes but quite frankly, do you expect that we would be jumping for joy and on our way to becoming a nation with a good economic record quickly?

EDIT: That graph does not show the improvement in the economy this year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10613201

Basically no. In fact, the economy was doing better under Labour post-recession than it is under the Conservatives currently. And that's including the fact that the Conservatives were in power during the temporary Olympic boom.

[Rumostan]

Guardian-reading-left-wing-insane-people

Not necessary. Stop.

A bit late.

[Rumostan]

Yes but quite frankly, do you expect that we would be jumping for joy and on our way to becoming a nation with a good economic record quickly?

EDIT: That graph does not show the improvement in the economy this year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10613201

Basically no. In fact, the economy was doing better under Labour post-recession than it is under the Conservatives currently. And that's including the fact that the Conservatives were in power during the temporary Olympic boom.

The graph doesn't show that and I don't think anyone would agree with you.

[Priory Academy USSR]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10613201

Basically no. In fact, the economy was doing better under Labour post-recession than it is under the Conservatives currently. And that's including the fact that the Conservatives were in power during the temporary Olympic boom.

The graph doesn't show that and I don't think anyone would agree with you.

Of course it does. We see a short, but sustained period of growth during 2010 (while labour was in power and before Conservative policies would have any impact), and after that (when the Conservatives are in power) it dips below 0% on a multitude of occasions with sporadic and often weak growth.

[Rumostan]

The graph doesn't show that and I don't think anyone would agree with you.

Of course it does. We see a short, but sustained period of growth during 2010 (while labour was in power and before Conservative policies would have any impact), and after that (when the Conservatives are in power) it dips below 0% on a multitude of occasions with sporadic and often weak growth.

Take out the outside influences from the Eurozone and other countries and you would see growth since 2010. Anyway, the Chancellor never said that we would leave recession quickly and we have resigned ourselves to wait.

[Bleckonia]

New presidential survey now that Wolfmanne dropped out:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rafhqoa2Bf08ILqKCSvKBApTYjBEkhZ-1YVSvgfgsZ4/viewform

[Potenco]

I dreaded the day this place started talking in more depth about economics. This Senate is much more cohesive regarding views with social policy and we take forever to get stuff moved with that. A macroeconomic debate is going to take sooooo long, but I suppose its necessary

[Rumostan]

I dreaded the day this place started talking in more depth about economics. This Senate is much more cohesive regarding views with social policy and we take forever to get stuff moved with that. A macroeconomic debate is going to take sooooo long, but I suppose its necessary

It is, we will need to determine when we go into recession. No country has ever, never been in recession.

[Fulflood]

A film called Children of Men, where humanity basically suddenly can't have kids - so it gets real oppressive, real dangerous, real fast. I know it's not real, but imagine if that was your friendly policeman. Imagine if every Policeman looked like that, would you feel like an extra for 1984?

Well according to some Guardian-reading-left-wing-insane-people

Hey, don't knock us.

[Rumostan]

Well according to some Guardian-reading-left-wing-insane-people

Hey, don't knock us.

Sorry but if some of you call Telegraph or Torygraph as some of you say then you can't expect us to back down.

[Malgrave]

Hey, don't knock us.

Sorry but if some of you call Telegraph or Torygraph as some of you say then you can't expect us to back down.

I don't think calling the telegraph the torygraph is the same as calling all guardian readings "left-wing insane people".

[Rumostan]

Sorry but if some of you call Telegraph or Torygraph as some of you say then you can't expect us to back down.

I don't think calling the telegraph the torygraph is the same as calling all guardian readings "left-wing insane people".

Lets just say that I have been called certain things by Guardian readers and I know other people who have as well. Any who, I believe that this is what some call 'banter' which I think is a disgusting word and should not be used, but still, I don't decide how people speak.

[Fulflood]

Hey, don't knock us.

Sorry but if some of you call Telegraph or Torygraph as some of you say then you can't expect us to back down.

There's a reasonably noticeable difference between 'Torygraph' (provably true) and 'Guardian-reading-left-wing-insane-people' (insult/slur).

Also my political beliefs probably marry better with the Independent, but I read the Guardian because I do/can.

[Rumostan]

Sorry but if some of you call Telegraph or Torygraph as some of you say then you can't expect us to back down.

There's a reasonably noticeable difference between 'Torygraph' (provably true) and 'Guardian-reading-left-wing-insane-people' (insult/slur).

Also my political beliefs probably marry better with the Independent, but I read the Guardian because I do/can.

If you want I will repeat the names that Guardian readers have called telegraph readers.

Also, we are the Senate of Aurentia, not British people arguing about newspapers.

[Fulflood]

I don't think calling the telegraph the torygraph is the same as calling all guardian readings "left-wing insane people".

Lets just say that I have been called certain things by Guardian readers and I know other people who have as well. Any who, I believe that this is what some call 'banter' which I think is a disgusting word and should not be used, but still, I don't decide how people speak.

Yeah you can't really tarnish all Guardian-readers with the same brush on that particular issue.

Although I'm guessing you read the Telegraph, which is at least better than the Daily Mail, which represents everything which is wrong in Britain today.

[Fulflood]

There's a reasonably noticeable difference between 'Torygraph' (provably true) and 'Guardian-reading-left-wing-insane-people' (insult/slur).

Also my political beliefs probably marry better with the Independent, but I read the Guardian because I do/can.

If you want I will repeat the names that Guardian readers have called telegraph readers.

Cool. You do that. It in no way affects me.

Also, we are the Senate of Aurentia, not British people arguing about newspapers.

Nah, but we are. There's a reason this is F7.

Also Aurentina.

[Rumostan]

If you want I will repeat the names that Guardian readers have called telegraph readers.

Cool. You do that. It in no way affects me.

Also, we are the Senate of Aurentia, not British people arguing about newspapers.

Nah, but we are. There's a reason this is F7.

Also Aurentina.

I apologise, my iPad automatically corrects it to Aurentia and I have stopped noticing.

[Bleckonia]

This is my alternative to the APA, which is much easier to understand and enforce in that it criminalizes "purposeless" acts of violence against animals and therefor allows us to continue slaughterer for food and all other practical uses, but still outlaws random and condemnable abuses.

ANIMAL RESPECT ACT

NOTES That Aurentina has no form of Animal Protection currently in place.

RECOGNIZES that while animals have no inherent “rights” they ought to be treated with respect and dignity whenever possible.

DEFINES Animal Abuse as one or more humans inflicting harm or suffering upon any other animal species for reasons other than self-defense.

HEREBY Declares the various degrees of animal abuse an offense that may result in prosecution or a fine.

Section 1: Degrees of Animal Abuse

1st Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the purposeless death of an Animal.
2nd Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the purposeless death of an Animal.
3rd Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the purposeless harm and suffering of an Animal.
4th Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the purposeless harm and suffering suffering of an Animal.
5th Degree Animal Abuse: Attempting to cause the purposeless harm, death or suffering of an Animal.

Section 2: Consequential prosecutions

2a) Once a person is caught or proven to be committing any of these offences, they are not to be taken straight into custody unless they commit a separate offence which is punishable by arrest. Instead the offender is to be given a court date which will be organized between police and court. If deemed guilty by the appropriate court, a person will be given the following sentence depending on the degree of animal abuse committed.

2b) The following Sentences, depending on the degree committed, are:

1st Degree: 6-9 Month Prison Sentence
2nd Degree: £290-310 monetary fine and/or 1-2 Month community service. (if eligible)
3rd Degree: £270-290 monetary fine and/or 1-4 Month community service. (if eligible)
4th Degree: £250-270 monetary fine.
5th Degree: £200-250 monetary fine.


Section 3: Rescue

3a) If an animal is deemed by local authorities to be in danger, or already hurt, police will be responsible for the rescue of that animal. In the event that an animal is on private property, the owner maintains the right to deny police entry; however, police may be given the right to obtain an entry warrant from local judiciary or animal-related authorities at their discretion, enabling police and workers with police-generated passes to perform specific animal-related tasks on such property regardless of consent, as necessary to prevent abuse, end abuse, provide needed care, for sanitary purposes, or to corral or remove the animal for those listed purposes, or in order to determine if such action is needed. During the rescue operation, police must operate with restraint, causing as little damage to property, persons or other animals as possible.

3b) Police authorities are strongly encouraged to train a proportional number of their staff to be aware of these responsibilities in general and/or as regards particular animals of interest, and also to cultivate active relationships with diverse animal experts who can be reached on an emergency basis.

3c) Once an animal has been recovered, they are to be taken to the local veterinary clinic if necessary for their health, then delivered to local animal shelters to care for and the animal at their own discretion.

Section 4: Medicinary

A qualified Veterinarian is not considered to have committed abuse in cases where they preform procedures on an animal in the best interest of the animal's well-being, so long as anesthetic has been properly applied as regards procedures which may cause severe suffering. Owners without veterinary qualifications are also not to be considered as having committed abuse toward an animal for whom they are the primary caretaker if they are applying prescribed treatments or medicines, or performing procedures thought by medical consensus to be safe for the animal, and particular breed and size especially as regards dosage, at the time of the event.

The problem with this act is that it could potentially ban animal testing, especially if the animals are infected and are meant to die in order to study its effect on various life forms. Unless you make an exception for animal testing, I'll vehemently OPPOSE this act.

[The Zeonic States]

This is my alternative to the APA, which is much easier to understand and enforce in that it criminalizes "purposeless" acts of violence against animals and therefor allows us to continue slaughterer for food and all other practical uses, but still outlaws random and condemnable abuses.

ANIMAL RESPECT ACT

NOTES That Aurentina has no form of Animal Protection currently in place.

RECOGNIZES that while animals have no inherent “rights” they ought to be treated with respect and dignity whenever possible.

DEFINES Animal Abuse as one or more humans inflicting harm or suffering upon any other animal species for reasons other than self-defense.

HEREBY Declares the various degrees of animal abuse an offense that may result in prosecution or a fine.

Section 1: Degrees of Animal Abuse

1st Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the purposeless death of an Animal.
2nd Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the purposeless death of an Animal.
3rd Degree Animal Abuse: Intentionally causing the purposeless harm and suffering of an Animal.
4th Degree Animal Abuse: Unintentionally causing the purposeless harm and suffering suffering of an Animal.
5th Degree Animal Abuse: Attempting to cause the purposeless harm, death or suffering of an Animal.

Section 2: Consequential prosecutions

2a) Once a person is caught or proven to be committing any of these offences, they are not to be taken straight into custody unless they commit a separate offence which is punishable by arrest. Instead the offender is to be given a court date which will be organized between police and court. If deemed guilty by the appropriate court, a person will be given the following sentence depending on the degree of animal abuse committed.

2b) The following Sentences, depending on the degree committed, are:

1st Degree: 6-9 Month Prison Sentence
2nd Degree: £290-310 monetary fine and/or 1-2 Month community service. (if eligible)
3rd Degree: £270-290 monetary fine and/or 1-4 Month community service. (if eligible)
4th Degree: £250-270 monetary fine.
5th Degree: £200-250 monetary fine.


Section 3: Rescue

3a) If an animal is deemed by local authorities to be in danger, or already hurt, police will be responsible for the rescue of that animal. In the event that an animal is on private property, the owner maintains the right to deny police entry; however, police may be given the right to obtain an entry warrant from local judiciary or animal-related authorities at their discretion, enabling police and workers with police-generated passes to perform specific animal-related tasks on such property regardless of consent, as necessary to prevent abuse, end abuse, provide needed care, for sanitary purposes, or to corral or remove the animal for those listed purposes, or in order to determine if such action is needed. During the rescue operation, police must operate with restraint, causing as little damage to property, persons or other animals as possible.

3b) Police authorities are strongly encouraged to train a proportional number of their staff to be aware of these responsibilities in general and/or as regards particular animals of interest, and also to cultivate active relationships with diverse animal experts who can be reached on an emergency basis.

3c) Once an animal has been recovered, they are to be taken to the local veterinary clinic if necessary for their health, then delivered to local animal shelters to care for and the animal at their own discretion.

Section 4: Medicinary

A qualified Veterinarian is not considered to have committed abuse in cases where they preform procedures on an animal in the best interest of the animal's well-being, so long as anesthetic has been properly applied as regards procedures which may cause severe suffering. Owners without veterinary qualifications are also not to be considered as having committed abuse toward an animal for whom they are the primary caretaker if they are applying prescribed treatments or medicines, or performing procedures thought by medical consensus to be safe for the animal, and particular breed and size especially as regards dosage, at the time of the event.

The problem with this act is that it could potentially ban animal testing, especially if the animals are infected and are meant to die in order to study its effect on various life forms. Unless you make an exception for animal testing, I'll vehemently OPPOSE this act.

I do believe for once we agree.

Animal testing; Should be extempt from the Bill given how much fruit that tree has born over the decades.