NSG Senate Coffee Shop [NSG Senate]

[Free South Califas]

Can I get some sponsors for this act? I want to move it up to the currently debated omnibus.

Second Amendment to the Republican

Executive Act
Drafted by: Yanalia [RG]
Sponsors: Maklohi Vai [LD], Oneracon [RG], The Nihilistic View [LD]

1. The Deputy Prime Minister shall be appointed by the Prime Minister and may perform the duties of the Prime Minister in case of resignation or a physical inability to complete duties on the part of the Prime Minister.

2. Clause 1-A of the REA is hereby struck out and rendered null and void. It shall be replaced with the following clause. "The President shall be the Head of State, elected by the Senate in a two-round system, in which the top two candidates from the first round shall be voted on, unless one candidate attains a majority of 50%+1 of the total votes in the first round, upon which that candidate assumes the Presidency without a second round of voting."

Throw me and Haulenor in there and you're good to go. When you omnibus it, you can quote this as a second, in case I miss it.

[Free South Califas]

How long would it take for me to get approved for citizenship in the UK? :v I've looked at Canada already. But yeah, the FDA has royally fucked up here in the US, 'Oh derp guys, let's approve this pill that stops breast cancer but givers you uterus cancer!! Let's also use pot as a scape goat to distract the people from our terribly biased research.'

If your being serious then not long, you can speak English and probably know alot more about Britain than the usual dribbling idiots that come over here and refuse to learn English.

Sorry I'm late, but: That's racist. (Yes, we all know you don't mean Frisians.)

Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but deal with it: you said people who speak foreign languages are 'dribbling idiots'. Speaking of, did you bother to learn anything about the biological facts of second language acquisition before spouting off about it? (It's a rhetorical question; I know you didn't.)

[Kamchastkia]

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The UK and Japan have the lowest rates of gun ownership per capita among a selection of comparable countries and the lowest rates of gun violence. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/335-156/12554-58-murders-a-year-by-firearms-in-britain-8775-in-us
The UK has 1/5 of the US's population, so if we converted 58 firearm murders to American numbers, it would be 300. The US has 30 times more firearm deaths per capita than the UK, at 8,700. We do need strict gun laws. It is harder to kill with a knife or other easily available weapon.

Yes, but to only look at handgun mortality rates seems to not show the whole picture. In a country where guns are more readily available, of course a higher percentage of committed homicides will be with guns. However, what about the total trend in homicides?


Correlation coefficient (r): 0.045813409515667

x: intentional homicide rate per 100,000
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
y: guns per 100
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Here's the data set I used for 19 countries:

Code: Select all

United States: (4.2,88.8)
Germany: (0.8,30.3)
Australia: (1.0,15)
Norway: (0.6,31.3)
Romania: (2.0,0.7)
Hungary: (1.3,5.5)
Spain: (0.8,10.4)
New Zealand: (0.9,22.6)
Russia: (10.2,8.9)
Bulgaria: (2.0,6.2)
Switzerland: (0.7,45.7)
Finland: (2.2,32)
Ireland: (1.2,8.6)
Canada: (1.6,30.8)
France: (1.1,31.2)
Italy: (0.9,11.9)
South Korea: (2.6,1.1)
Japan: (0.4,0.6)
Austria: (0.6,30.4)


Here's the graph with the United States and Russia excluded:

The correlation coefficient for this graph is: -0.32354086270753

My conclusion: This data above shows there is no correlation between the murder rate (intentional homicide rate) and ownership of guns across these 19 countries.

Website I used to make the graphs: http://www.alcula.com/calculators/stati ... tter-plot/
I also made these graphs earlier this year for a debate about guns on a different forum, so my apologies if the Wikipedia page has been updated with newer numbers since then.

tl;dr

[The IASM]

Somebody needs to create a multiple bill act which allows multiple bills of different types to be voted on - in order to increase efficiency.

[Finium]

So, about that gun bill. I thought it was a decent compromise, if anyone knows what that word means.

[The Nihilistic view]

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The UK and Japan have the lowest rates of gun ownership per capita among a selection of comparable countries and the lowest rates of gun violence. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/335-156/12554-58-murders-a-year-by-firearms-in-britain-8775-in-us
The UK has 1/5 of the US's population, so if we converted 58 firearm murders to American numbers, it would be 300. The US has 30 times more firearm deaths per capita than the UK, at 8,700. We do need strict gun laws. It is harder to kill with a knife or other easily available weapon.

Yes, but to only look at handgun mortality rates seems to not show the whole picture. In a country where guns are more readily available, of course a higher percentage of committed homicides will be with guns. However, what about the total trend in homicides?


Correlation coefficient (r): 0.045813409515667

x: intentional homicide rate per 100,000
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
y: guns per 100
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Here's the data set I used for 19 countries:

Code: Select all

United States: (4.2,88.8)
Germany: (0.8,30.3)
Australia: (1.0,15)
Norway: (0.6,31.3)
Romania: (2.0,0.7)
Hungary: (1.3,5.5)
Spain: (0.8,10.4)
New Zealand: (0.9,22.6)
Russia: (10.2,8.9)
Bulgaria: (2.0,6.2)
Switzerland: (0.7,45.7)
Finland: (2.2,32)
Ireland: (1.2,8.6)
Canada: (1.6,30.8)
France: (1.1,31.2)
Italy: (0.9,11.9)
South Korea: (2.6,1.1)
Japan: (0.4,0.6)
Austria: (0.6,30.4)


Here's the graph with the United States and Russia excluded:

The correlation coefficient for this graph is: -0.32354086270753

My conclusion: This data above shows there is no correlation between the murder rate (intentional homicide rate) and ownership of guns across these 19 countries.

Website I used to make the graphs: http://www.alcula.com/calculators/stati ... tter-plot/
I also made these graphs earlier this year for a debate about guns on a different forum, so my apologies if the Wikipedia page has been updated with newer numbers since then.

Your conclusion would be wrong but don't let that get in the way of your mistaken beliefs.

[The Nihilistic view]

If your being serious then not long, you can speak English and probably know alot more about Britain than the usual dribbling idiots that come over here and refuse to learn English.

Sorry I'm late, but: That's racist. (Yes, we all know you don't mean Frisians.)

Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but deal with it: you said people who speak foreign languages are 'dribbling idiots'. Speaking of, did you bother to learn anything about the biological facts of second language acquisition before spouting off about it? (It's a rhetorical question; I know you didn't.)

Sometimes the truth is considered racist by some, what more can I say?

[Rumostan]

If your being serious then not long, you can speak English and probably know alot more about Britain than the usual dribbling idiots that come over here and refuse to learn English.

Sorry I'm late, but: That's racist. (Yes, we all know you don't mean Frisians.)

Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but deal with it: you said people who speak foreign languages are 'dribbling idiots'. Speaking of, did you bother to learn anything about the biological facts of second language acquisition before spouting off about it? (It's a rhetorical question; I know you didn't.)

Oh dear, oh dear. I wild have sympathy for your cause but you see, I'm half Pakistani (as you might have been able to tell from my flag). My father learnt Urdu first and then English, I think I know about second language acquisition. Even my grandfather managed to learn English.

Many people can learn how to speak English but some do not and I have no sympathy for those who do not. I'm not a racist, I'm just someone who thinks that if you move to a country that doesn't speak in your language, you should learn the language of that country.

[Geilinor]

Yes, but to only look at handgun mortality rates seems to not show the whole picture. In a country where guns are more readily available, of course a higher percentage of committed homicides will be with guns. However, what about the total trend in homicides?


Correlation coefficient (r): 0.045813409515667

x: intentional homicide rate per 100,000
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
y: guns per 100
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Here's the data set I used for 19 countries:

Code: Select all

United States: (4.2,88.8)
Germany: (0.8,30.3)
Australia: (1.0,15)
Norway: (0.6,31.3)
Romania: (2.0,0.7)
Hungary: (1.3,5.5)
Spain: (0.8,10.4)
New Zealand: (0.9,22.6)
Russia: (10.2,8.9)
Bulgaria: (2.0,6.2)
Switzerland: (0.7,45.7)
Finland: (2.2,32)
Ireland: (1.2,8.6)
Canada: (1.6,30.8)
France: (1.1,31.2)
Italy: (0.9,11.9)
South Korea: (2.6,1.1)
Japan: (0.4,0.6)
Austria: (0.6,30.4)


Here's the graph with the United States and Russia excluded:

The correlation coefficient for this graph is: -0.32354086270753

My conclusion: This data above shows there is no correlation between the murder rate (intentional homicide rate) and ownership of guns across these 19 countries.

Website I used to make the graphs: http://www.alcula.com/calculators/stati ... tter-plot/
I also made these graphs earlier this year for a debate about guns on a different forum, so my apologies if the Wikipedia page has been updated with newer numbers since then.

tl;dr

I see that there is no correlation, but that doesn't mean a society with no gun regulations is preferable. All the bill does is institute universal background checks. It's absolutely ridiculous to not have background checks and licensing for firearms.

[Geilinor]

Sorry I'm late, but: That's racist. (Yes, we all know you don't mean Frisians.)

Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but deal with it: you said people who speak foreign languages are 'dribbling idiots'. Speaking of, did you bother to learn anything about the biological facts of second language acquisition before spouting off about it? (It's a rhetorical question; I know you didn't.)

Oh dear, oh dear. I wild have sympathy for your cause but you see, I'm half Pakistani (as you might have been able to tell from my flag). My father learnt Urdu first and then English, I think I know about second language acquisition. Even my grandfather managed to learn English.

Did your father learn English in school when he was young or did he learn it after immigrating? If we want immigrants to know English before arriving in Aurentina, we should make that a requirement for immigration or provide classes for free. I prefer the latter, where we actually help them learn English instead of just screaming at them to learn English.

[The Nihilistic view]

Oh dear, oh dear. I wild have sympathy for your cause but you see, I'm half Pakistani (as you might have been able to tell from my flag). My father learnt Urdu first and then English, I think I know about second language acquisition. Even my grandfather managed to learn English.

Did your father learn English in school when he was young or did he learn it after immigrating? If we want immigrants to know English before arriving in Aurentina, we should make that a requirement for immigration or provide classes for free. I prefer the latter, where we actually help them learn English instead of just screaming at them to learn English.

The problem is as Rum say's whilst his family sound like fine people we would want to attract to the UK who try and learn the language and I presume understand our customs. In reality there are many who do not feel they need to or should learn a basic level of English. Classes are offered in the UK but all to often many immigrants just don't turn up. Coming back to our current debate, this is not not situation I wish to see repeated in our Commonwealth nor it seems does Alex. We need to make sure that all immigrants can speak a passable level of English before they are approved a visa allowing them residency here.

[Rumostan]

Oh dear, oh dear. I wild have sympathy for your cause but you see, I'm half Pakistani (as you might have been able to tell from my flag). My father learnt Urdu first and then English, I think I know about second language acquisition. Even my grandfather managed to learn English.

Did your father learn English in school when he was young or did he learn it after immigrating? If we want immigrants to know English before arriving in Aurentina, we should make that a requirement for immigration or provide classes for free. I prefer the latter, where we actually help them learn English instead of just screaming at them to learn English.

[Ainin]

First Amendment to the International Law Act
Author: Ainin [TR] | Urgency: Medium | Sponsors: Britanno [CPP], Yanalia [RG], The Nihilistic View [LD], Maklohi Vai [LD]

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Affirming civil rights to be of a high importance,

Noting the International Law Act did not ratify the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,

Hereby ratifies the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, validating all its sections, clauses and texts as part of Aurentine law.

[The IASM]

First Amendment to the International Law Act
Author: Ainin [TR] | Urgency: Medium | Sponsors:

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Affirming civil rights to be of a high importance,

Noting the International Law Act did not ratify the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,

Hereby ratifies the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, validating all its sections, clauses and texts as part of Aurentine law.

Can we rectify sections of it as come of them are just impractical.

[Britanno]

First Amendment to the International Law Act
Author: Ainin [TR] | Urgency: Medium | Sponsors:

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Affirming civil rights to be of a high importance,

Noting the International Law Act did not ratify the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,

Hereby ratifies the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, validating all its sections, clauses and texts as part of Aurentine law.

I'll sponsor.

[Yanalia]

First Amendment to the International Law Act
Author: Ainin [TR] | Urgency: Medium | Sponsors: Britanno [CPP]

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Affirming civil rights to be of a high importance,

Noting the International Law Act did not ratify the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,

Hereby ratifies the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, validating all its sections, clauses and texts as part of Aurentine law.

I'll sponsor.

[The Nihilistic view]

First Amendment to the International Law Act
Author: Ainin [TR] | Urgency: Medium | Sponsors: Britanno [CPP]

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Affirming civil rights to be of a high importance,

Noting the International Law Act did not ratify the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,

Hereby ratifies the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, validating all its sections, clauses and texts as part of Aurentine law.

I'll sponsor.

You do realize the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has a clause that guarantees the Right to property?


EDIT: I will be happy to sponsor.

[Yanalia]

I'll sponsor.

You do realize the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has a clause that guarantees the Right to property?

Yes, but it says it cannot be taken away arbitrarily. Confiscation of property, such as done by gun control laws in many nations, is not necessarily a violation.

EDIT: I will be happy to sponsor.

Yes, but it says that property cannot be taken arbitrarily, or based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system. Confiscation of property for the public good, as I believe is done by eminent domain and was done by gun control in many nations, is not necessarily a violation.

[Ainin]

I'll sponsor.

You do realize the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has a clause that guarantees the Right to property?


EDIT: I will be happy to sponsor.

Note:

The clause is as follows:

Article 17.

    (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
    (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

[Maklohi Vai]

First Amendment to the International Law Act
Author: Ainin [TR] | Urgency: Medium | Sponsors: Britanno [CPP], Yanalia [RG], The Nihilistic View [LD]

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Affirming civil rights to be of a high importance,

Noting the International Law Act did not ratify the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,

Hereby ratifies the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, validating all its sections, clauses and texts as part of Aurentine law.

I'll sponsor.

[Ainin]

First Amendment to the International Law Act
Author: Ainin [TR] | Urgency: Medium | Sponsors:

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Affirming civil rights to be of a high importance,

Noting the International Law Act did not ratify the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,

Hereby ratifies the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, validating all its sections, clauses and texts as part of Aurentine law.

Can we rectify sections of it as come of them are just impractical.

...no.

[Malgrave]

I'll sponsor the amendment.

[Kamchastkia]

tl;dr

I see that there is no correlation, but that doesn't mean a society with no gun regulations is preferable. All the bill does is institute universal background checks. It's absolutely ridiculous to not have background checks and licensing for firearms.

Do you know what tl;dr means sir?

[New Zepuha]

I see that there is no correlation, but that doesn't mean a society with no gun regulations is preferable. All the bill does is institute universal background checks. It's absolutely ridiculous to not have background checks and licensing for firearms.

Do you know what tl;dr means sir?

Yes and it was wholly unneeded.

[Bleckonia]

I'll sponsor the amendment.

So will I.