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[Geilinor]

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[Geilinor]

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[Geilinor]

The UK and Japan have the lowest rates of gun ownership per capita among a selection of comparable countries and the lowest rates of gun violence. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/335-156/12554-58-murders-a-year-by-firearms-in-britain-8775-in-us
The UK has 1/5 of the US's population, so if we converted 58 firearm murders to American numbers, it would be 300. The US has 30 times more firearm deaths per capita than the UK, at 8,700. We do need strict gun laws. It is harder to kill with a knife or other easily available weapon.

[Geilinor]

It is our responsibility to enforce our laws. We'd be an incompetent government if we weren't constantly trailing the black market in weapons.

no regulation or outright bans with custodial sentences for the possession of firearms without licences.

None?

[The Nihilistic view]

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The UK and Japan have the lowest rates of gun ownership per capita among a selection of comparable countries and the lowest rates of gun violence. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/335-156/12554-58-murders-a-year-by-firearms-in-britain-8775-in-us
The UK has 1/5 of the US's population, so if we converted 58 firearm murders to American numbers, it would be 300. The US has 30 times more firearm deaths per capita than the UK, at 8,700. We do need strict gun laws. It is harder to kill with a knife or other easily available weapon.

I thought the last count was about 11,000 unlawful deaths per year caused by firearms in the US?

[Geilinor]

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The UK and Japan have the lowest rates of gun ownership per capita among a selection of comparable countries and the lowest rates of gun violence. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/335-156/12554-58-murders-a-year-by-firearms-in-britain-8775-in-us
The UK has 1/5 of the US's population, so if we converted 58 firearm murders to American numbers, it would be 300. The US has 30 times more firearm deaths per capita than the UK, at 8,700. We do need strict gun laws. It is harder to kill with a knife or other easily available weapon.

I thought the last count was about 11,000 unlawful deaths per year caused by firearms in the US?

Then it's almost 40 times more per capita than the UK. We don't want to go the American path on guns or crime.

[The Nihilistic view]

no regulation or outright bans with custodial sentences for the possession of firearms without licences.

None?

Sorry, i mean we either have no regulation or we have UK style laws. I prefer the latter.

[Kalmath]

They may have less gun deaths but violent crime in the UK is rather high.

[Kamchastkia]

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They may have less gun deaths but violent crime in the UK is rather high.

I'm not anti-gun but how in any way shape or form is this relevant to weapons? If the UK had more weapons then you'd just be making murder easier.

[Kalmath]

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They may have less gun deaths but violent crime in the UK is rather high.

I'm not anti-gun but how in any way shape or form is this relevant to weapons? If the UK had more weapons then you'd just be making murder easier.

The increase in crime occurred post the 1997 Firearms Act

[The Nihilistic view]

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They may have less gun deaths but violent crime in the UK is rather high.

We are in the middle of an eastern European organised crime wave in London that has coincided with the free movement of people within the EU.

[Geilinor]

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They may have less gun deaths but violent crime in the UK is rather high.

I don't know how the UK would suddenly become that much more violent in the 1990s.

[Geilinor]

I'm not anti-gun but how in any way shape or form is this relevant to weapons? If the UK had more weapons then you'd just be making murder easier.

The increase in crime occurred post the 1997 Firearms Act

Having US-style gun laws is not the answer either, though.

[The Nihilistic view]

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They may have less gun deaths but violent crime in the UK is rather high.

I don't know how the UK would suddenly become that much more violent in the 1990s.

I don't know where his evidence is from but this is from the BBC.

[The Nihilistic view]

I'm not anti-gun but how in any way shape or form is this relevant to weapons? If the UK had more weapons then you'd just be making murder easier.

The increase in crime occurred post the 1997 Firearms Act

It was also introduced because of a school massacre in Scotland and guess what to all those Americans out there?

EDIT: I should really say all those who are members of the NRA.

[Geilinor]

I don't know how the UK would suddenly become that much more violent in the 1990s.

I don't know where his evidence is from but this is from the BBC.

That makes much more sense. His graph did seem a bit out there, because I know for a fact that the UK is not that violent and that Australia and Canada have lower rates of violence than the US as well. The graph shows that overall offenses have decreased since 1997.

[Yanalia]

Can I get some sponsors for this act? I want to move it up to the currently debated omnibus.

Second Amendment to the Republican

Executive Act
Drafted by: Yanalia [RG]
Sponsors: Maklohi Vai [LD], Oneracon [RG], The Nihilistic View [LD]

1. The Deputy Prime Minister shall be appointed by the Prime Minister and may perform the duties of the Prime Minister in case of resignation or a physical inability to complete duties on the part of the Prime Minister.

2. Clause 1-A of the REA is hereby struck out and rendered null and void. It shall be replaced with the following clause. "The President shall be the Head of State, elected by the Senate in a two-round system, in which the top two candidates from the first round shall be voted on, unless one candidate attains a majority of 50%+1 of the total votes in the first round, upon which that candidate assumes the Presidency without a second round of voting."

[Maklohi Vai]

Can I get some sponsors for this act? I want to move it up to the currently debated omnibus.

Second Amendment to the Republican

Executive Act
Drafted by: Yanalia [RG]

1. The Deputy Prime Minister shall be appointed by the Prime Minister and may perform the duties of the Prime

Minister in case of resignation or a physical inability to complete duties on the part of the Prime Minister.

2. The Vice President shall be appointed by the President.

3. Clause 1-A of the REA is hereby struck out and rendered null and void. It shall be replaced with the

following clause. "The President shall be the Head of State, elected by the Senate in a two-round system, in

which the top two candidates from the first round shall be voted on, unless one candidate attains a majority

of 50%+1 of the total votes in the first round, upon which that candidate assumes the Presidency without a

second round of voting."

Number two is covered under the Wolfmanne's amendment bill. Otherwise I support and sponsor.

[Oneracon]

Sponsored

[Yanalia]

Can I get some sponsors for this act? I want to move it up to the currently debated omnibus.

Second Amendment to the Republican

Executive Act
Drafted by: Yanalia [RG]

1. The Deputy Prime Minister shall be appointed by the Prime Minister and may perform the duties of the Prime

Minister in case of resignation or a physical inability to complete duties on the part of the Prime Minister.

2. The Vice President shall be appointed by the President.

3. Clause 1-A of the REA is hereby struck out and rendered null and void. It shall be replaced with the

following clause. "The President shall be the Head of State, elected by the Senate in a two-round system, in

which the top two candidates from the first round shall be voted on, unless one candidate attains a majority

of 50%+1 of the total votes in the first round, upon which that candidate assumes the Presidency without a

second round of voting."

Number two is covered under the Wolfmanne's amendment bill. Otherwise I support and sponsor.

Edited and both sponsors added.

[The Nihilistic view]

Can I get some sponsors for this act? I want to move it up to the currently debated omnibus.

Second Amendment to the Republican

Executive Act
Drafted by: Yanalia [RG]
Sponsors: Maklohi Vai [LD], Oneracon [RG]

1. The Deputy Prime Minister shall be appointed by the Prime Minister and may perform the duties of the Prime Minister in case of resignation or a physical inability to complete duties on the part of the Prime Minister.

2. Clause 1-A of the REA is hereby struck out and rendered null and void. It shall be replaced with the following clause. "The President shall be the Head of State, elected by the Senate in a two-round system, in which the top two candidates from the first round shall be voted on, unless one candidate attains a majority of 50%+1 of the total votes in the first round, upon which that candidate assumes the Presidency without a second round of voting."

I am in favor of these amendments.

[Yanalia]

Can I get some sponsors for this act? I want to move it up to the currently debated omnibus.

Second Amendment to the Republican

Executive Act
Drafted by: Yanalia [RG]
Sponsors: Maklohi Vai [LD], Oneracon [RG]

1. The Deputy Prime Minister shall be appointed by the Prime Minister and may perform the duties of the Prime Minister in case of resignation or a physical inability to complete duties on the part of the Prime Minister.

2. Clause 1-A of the REA is hereby struck out and rendered null and void. It shall be replaced with the following clause. "The President shall be the Head of State, elected by the Senate in a two-round system, in which the top two candidates from the first round shall be voted on, unless one candidate attains a majority of 50%+1 of the total votes in the first round, upon which that candidate assumes the Presidency without a second round of voting."

I am in favor of this amendments.

Sponsor?

[The Nihilistic view]

I am in favor of this amendments.

Sponsor?

Yes.

[Living Freedom Land]

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The UK and Japan have the lowest rates of gun ownership per capita among a selection of comparable countries and the lowest rates of gun violence. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/335-156/12554-58-murders-a-year-by-firearms-in-britain-8775-in-us
The UK has 1/5 of the US's population, so if we converted 58 firearm murders to American numbers, it would be 300. The US has 30 times more firearm deaths per capita than the UK, at 8,700. We do need strict gun laws. It is harder to kill with a knife or other easily available weapon.

Yes, but to only look at handgun mortality rates seems to not show the whole picture. In a country where guns are more readily available, of course a higher percentage of committed homicides will be with guns. However, what about the total trend in homicides?


Correlation coefficient (r): 0.045813409515667

x: intentional homicide rate per 100,000
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
y: guns per 100
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Here's the data set I used for 19 countries:

Code: Select all

United States: (4.2,88.8)
Germany: (0.8,30.3)
Australia: (1.0,15)
Norway: (0.6,31.3)
Romania: (2.0,0.7)
Hungary: (1.3,5.5)
Spain: (0.8,10.4)
New Zealand: (0.9,22.6)
Russia: (10.2,8.9)
Bulgaria: (2.0,6.2)
Switzerland: (0.7,45.7)
Finland: (2.2,32)
Ireland: (1.2,8.6)
Canada: (1.6,30.8)
France: (1.1,31.2)
Italy: (0.9,11.9)
South Korea: (2.6,1.1)
Japan: (0.4,0.6)
Austria: (0.6,30.4)


Here's the graph with the United States and Russia excluded:

The correlation coefficient for this graph is: -0.32354086270753

My conclusion: This data above shows there is no correlation between the murder rate (intentional homicide rate) and ownership of guns across these 19 countries.

Website I used to make the graphs: http://www.alcula.com/calculators/stati ... tter-plot/
I also made these graphs earlier this year for a debate about guns on a different forum, so my apologies if the Wikipedia page has been updated with newer numbers since then.

[Haelunor]

Can I get some sponsors for this act? I want to move it up to the currently debated omnibus.

Second Amendment to the Republican

Executive Act
Drafted by: Yanalia [RG]
Sponsors: Maklohi Vai [LD], Oneracon [RG], The Nihilistic View [LD]

1. The Deputy Prime Minister shall be appointed by the Prime Minister and may perform the duties of the Prime Minister in case of resignation or a physical inability to complete duties on the part of the Prime Minister.

2. Clause 1-A of the REA is hereby struck out and rendered null and void. It shall be replaced with the following clause. "The President shall be the Head of State, elected by the Senate in a two-round system, in which the top two candidates from the first round shall be voted on, unless one candidate attains a majority of 50%+1 of the total votes in the first round, upon which that candidate assumes the Presidency without a second round of voting."

I will sponsor, if it is still needed!