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Rumostan
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Founded: May 11, 2013
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Postby Rumostan » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:16 am

CTALNH wrote:
Rumostan wrote:
Why do we want to have a police force like the Israeli's?

We will never be a regional superpower so at least lets be a poisoned shrimp


That is one of the worst reasons to have a dangerously powerful police force.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Ainin » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:17 am

Britanno wrote:
The United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child Signature Act


Urgency: High
Author: Britanno (CPP)
Sponsors:

AWARE that the United Nations created the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child (UNCRC).

SHOCKED that Aurentina has not yet signed the UNCRC.

HEREBY orders that the Commonwealth of Aurentina sign the UNCRC therefore agreeing to 42 articles which are below.

Article 1

Everyone under the age of 18 has all the rights in the Convention.

Article 2

The Convention applies to everyone: whatever their ethnicity, gender, religion, abilities, whatever they think or say, whatever type of family they come from.

Article 3
The best interests of the child must be a top priority in all things that affect children.

Article 4

Governments must do all they can to make sure every child can enjoy their rights.

Article 5

Governments must respect the rights and responsibilities of parents and carers to direct and guide their child as they grow up, so that they enjoy their rights properly.

Article 6

Every child has the right to life. Governments must do all they can to ensure that children survive and develop to their full potential.

Article 7

Every child has the right to a legal name and nationality, as well as the right to know and, as far as possible, to be cared for by their parents.

Article 8

Governments must respect and protect every child’s right to an identity and prevent their name, nationality or family relationships from being changed unlawfully. If a child has been denied part
of their identity illegally, governments must act quickly to protect and assist the child to re-establish their identity.

Article 9

Children must not be separated from their parents unless it is in the best interests of the child (for example, if a parent is hurting a child). Children whose parents have separated have the right to stay in contact with both parents, unless this might hurt the child.

Article 10

Governments must respond quickly and sympathetically if a child or their parents apply to live together in the same country. If a child’s parents live apart in different countries, the child has the right to visit both of them.

Article 11

Governments must do everything they can to stop children being taken out of their own country illegally or being prevented from returning.

Article 12

Every child has the right to say what they think in all matters affecting them, and to have their views taken seriously.

Article 13

Every child must be free to say what they think and to seek and receive all kinds of information, as long as it is within the law.

Article 14

Every child has the right to think and believe what they want and also to practise their religion, as long as they are not stopping other people from enjoying their rights. Governments must respect the rights of parents to give their children information about this right.

Article 15

Every child has the right to meet with other children and to join groups and organisations, as long as this does not stop other people from enjoying their rights.

Article 17

Every child has the right to reliable information from the media. This should be information that children can understand. Governments must help protect children from materials that could harm them.

Article 18

Both parents share responsibility for bringing up their child and should always consider what is best for the child. Governments must support parents by
giving them the help they need, especially if the child’s parents work.

Article 19

Governments must do all they can to ensure that children are protected from all forms of violence, abuse, neglect and bad treatment by their parents or anyone else who looks after them.

Article 20

If a child cannot be looked after by their family, governments must make sure that they are looked after properly by people who respect the child’s religion, culture and language.

Article 21

If a child is adopted, the first concern must be what is best for the child. All children must be adopted and kept safe, whether they are adopted in the country where they were born or in another country.

Article 22

If a child is a refugee or seeking refuge, governments must ensure that they have the same rights as any other child. Governments must help in trying to reunite child refugees with their parents. Where this is not possible, the child should be given protection.

Article 23

A child with a disability has the right to live a full and decent life with dignity and independence, and to play an active part in the community. Governments must do all they can to provide support to disabled children.

Article 24

Every child has the right to the best possible health. Governments must provide good quality health care, clean water, nutritious food and a clean environment so that children can stay healthy.

Article 25

If a child has been placed away from home (in care, hospital or prison, for example), they have the right to a regular check of their treatment and the way they are cared for.

Article 26

Governments must provide extra money for the children of families in need.

Article 27

Every child has the right to a standard of living that is good enough to meet their physical, social and mental needs. Governments must help families who cannot afford to provide this.

Article 28

Every child has the right to an education. Primary education must be free. Secondary education must be available to every child. Discipline in schools must respect children’s dignity. Richer countries must help poorer countries achieve this.

Article 29

Education must develop every child’s personality, talents and abilities to the full. It must encourage the child’s respect for human rights, as well as respect for their parents, their own and other cultures, and the environment.

Article 31
Every child has the right to relax, play and take part in a wide range of cultural and artistic activities.

Article 32

Governments must protect children from work that is dangerous or might harm their health or education.

Article 33

Governments must protect children from the use of illegal drugs.

Article 34

Governments must protect children from sexual abuse and exploitation.

Article 35

Governments must ensure that children are not abducted or sold.

Article 36

Governments must protect children from all other forms of bad treatment.

Article 37

No child shall be tortured or suffer other cruel treatment or punishment. A child should be arrested only as a last resource and for the shortest possible time. Children must not be put in a prison with adults and they must be able to keep in contact with their family.

Article 38

Governments must do everything they can to protect and care for children affected by war. Governments must not allow children under the age of 15 to take part in war or join the armed forces.

Article 39

Children neglected, abused, exploited, tortured or who are victims of war must receive special help to help them recover their health, dignity and self-respect.

Article 40

A child accused or guilty of breaking the law must be treated with dignity and respect. They have the right to help from a lawyer and a fair trial that takes account of their age or situation. The child’s privacymustberespectedatalltimes.

Article 41

If the laws of a particular country protect children better than the articles of the Convention, then those laws must stay in place.

Article 42

Governments must make the Convention known to children and adults.

See: International Law Act, passed by the Senate 1 month ago:

International Law Act
Author: Ainin [TR] | Urgency: High
Sponsors:
Divair [CSP], Wolfmanne [PC], Yanalia [RG], Great Nepal [CFE], The Orson Empire [C], Regnum Dominae [LFP], Byzantium Imperial [CMP], Geilinor [LD], United Provinces of Atlantica [C], Corinthina [LD], United Soviet Jason Republic [LFP], Belmaria [LFP], The Zeonic States [NIFP], FreeSoc [C], Arglorand [CSP], Agritum [CSP], Mollary [RG], Acro [LD], Vistulange [CSP], Britcan [NSP]


The Senate of Aurentina,

Acknowledging that every human in the world deserves equal rights,

Noting the Commonwealth is not yet party to several conventions that are the basis of international law,

Hereby Ratifies
  • All Four Articles of the Geneva Conventions
  • The Rome Statute
  • The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
  • The Convention relating to the Status of Refugees
  • The Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women
  • The Convention on the Rights of the Child
  • International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
  • The International Convention for the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance

And Hereby Supports
  • The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
  • The Montreal Declaration on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Human Rights
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Postby Kouralia » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:18 am

CTALNH wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Why can't we have a cool police force. Like the one we already have.

Becuase it sucks?

It be better than one where every officer is carrying an automatic weapon and body armour all the time. Because then it gets oppressive.
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Britanno
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Postby Britanno » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:21 am

Ainin wrote:
Britanno wrote:
The United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child Signature Act


Urgency: High
Author: Britanno (CPP)
Sponsors:

AWARE that the United Nations created the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child (UNCRC).

SHOCKED that Aurentina has not yet signed the UNCRC.

HEREBY orders that the Commonwealth of Aurentina sign the UNCRC therefore agreeing to 42 articles which are below.

Article 1

Everyone under the age of 18 has all the rights in the Convention.

Article 2

The Convention applies to everyone: whatever their ethnicity, gender, religion, abilities, whatever they think or say, whatever type of family they come from.

Article 3
The best interests of the child must be a top priority in all things that affect children.

Article 4

Governments must do all they can to make sure every child can enjoy their rights.

Article 5

Governments must respect the rights and responsibilities of parents and carers to direct and guide their child as they grow up, so that they enjoy their rights properly.

Article 6

Every child has the right to life. Governments must do all they can to ensure that children survive and develop to their full potential.

Article 7

Every child has the right to a legal name and nationality, as well as the right to know and, as far as possible, to be cared for by their parents.

Article 8

Governments must respect and protect every child’s right to an identity and prevent their name, nationality or family relationships from being changed unlawfully. If a child has been denied part
of their identity illegally, governments must act quickly to protect and assist the child to re-establish their identity.

Article 9

Children must not be separated from their parents unless it is in the best interests of the child (for example, if a parent is hurting a child). Children whose parents have separated have the right to stay in contact with both parents, unless this might hurt the child.

Article 10

Governments must respond quickly and sympathetically if a child or their parents apply to live together in the same country. If a child’s parents live apart in different countries, the child has the right to visit both of them.

Article 11

Governments must do everything they can to stop children being taken out of their own country illegally or being prevented from returning.

Article 12

Every child has the right to say what they think in all matters affecting them, and to have their views taken seriously.

Article 13

Every child must be free to say what they think and to seek and receive all kinds of information, as long as it is within the law.

Article 14

Every child has the right to think and believe what they want and also to practise their religion, as long as they are not stopping other people from enjoying their rights. Governments must respect the rights of parents to give their children information about this right.

Article 15

Every child has the right to meet with other children and to join groups and organisations, as long as this does not stop other people from enjoying their rights.

Article 17

Every child has the right to reliable information from the media. This should be information that children can understand. Governments must help protect children from materials that could harm them.

Article 18

Both parents share responsibility for bringing up their child and should always consider what is best for the child. Governments must support parents by
giving them the help they need, especially if the child’s parents work.

Article 19

Governments must do all they can to ensure that children are protected from all forms of violence, abuse, neglect and bad treatment by their parents or anyone else who looks after them.

Article 20

If a child cannot be looked after by their family, governments must make sure that they are looked after properly by people who respect the child’s religion, culture and language.

Article 21

If a child is adopted, the first concern must be what is best for the child. All children must be adopted and kept safe, whether they are adopted in the country where they were born or in another country.

Article 22

If a child is a refugee or seeking refuge, governments must ensure that they have the same rights as any other child. Governments must help in trying to reunite child refugees with their parents. Where this is not possible, the child should be given protection.

Article 23

A child with a disability has the right to live a full and decent life with dignity and independence, and to play an active part in the community. Governments must do all they can to provide support to disabled children.

Article 24

Every child has the right to the best possible health. Governments must provide good quality health care, clean water, nutritious food and a clean environment so that children can stay healthy.

Article 25

If a child has been placed away from home (in care, hospital or prison, for example), they have the right to a regular check of their treatment and the way they are cared for.

Article 26

Governments must provide extra money for the children of families in need.

Article 27

Every child has the right to a standard of living that is good enough to meet their physical, social and mental needs. Governments must help families who cannot afford to provide this.

Article 28

Every child has the right to an education. Primary education must be free. Secondary education must be available to every child. Discipline in schools must respect children’s dignity. Richer countries must help poorer countries achieve this.

Article 29

Education must develop every child’s personality, talents and abilities to the full. It must encourage the child’s respect for human rights, as well as respect for their parents, their own and other cultures, and the environment.

Article 31
Every child has the right to relax, play and take part in a wide range of cultural and artistic activities.

Article 32

Governments must protect children from work that is dangerous or might harm their health or education.

Article 33

Governments must protect children from the use of illegal drugs.

Article 34

Governments must protect children from sexual abuse and exploitation.

Article 35

Governments must ensure that children are not abducted or sold.

Article 36

Governments must protect children from all other forms of bad treatment.

Article 37

No child shall be tortured or suffer other cruel treatment or punishment. A child should be arrested only as a last resource and for the shortest possible time. Children must not be put in a prison with adults and they must be able to keep in contact with their family.

Article 38

Governments must do everything they can to protect and care for children affected by war. Governments must not allow children under the age of 15 to take part in war or join the armed forces.

Article 39

Children neglected, abused, exploited, tortured or who are victims of war must receive special help to help them recover their health, dignity and self-respect.

Article 40

A child accused or guilty of breaking the law must be treated with dignity and respect. They have the right to help from a lawyer and a fair trial that takes account of their age or situation. The child’s privacymustberespectedatalltimes.

Article 41

If the laws of a particular country protect children better than the articles of the Convention, then those laws must stay in place.

Article 42

Governments must make the Convention known to children and adults.

See: International Law Act, passed by the Senate 1 month ago:

International Law Act
Author: Ainin [TR] | Urgency: High
Sponsors:
Divair [CSP], Wolfmanne [PC], Yanalia [RG], Great Nepal [CFE], The Orson Empire [C], Regnum Dominae [LFP], Byzantium Imperial [CMP], Geilinor [LD], United Provinces of Atlantica [C], Corinthina [LD], United Soviet Jason Republic [LFP], Belmaria [LFP], The Zeonic States [NIFP], FreeSoc [C], Arglorand [CSP], Agritum [CSP], Mollary [RG], Acro [LD], Vistulange [CSP], Britcan [NSP]


The Senate of Aurentina,

Acknowledging that every human in the world deserves equal rights,

Noting the Commonwealth is not yet party to several conventions that are the basis of international law,

Hereby Ratifies
  • All Four Articles of the Geneva Conventions
  • The Rome Statute
  • The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
  • The Convention relating to the Status of Refugees
  • The Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women
  • The Convention on the Rights of the Child
  • International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
  • The International Convention for the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance

And Hereby Supports
  • The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
  • The Montreal Declaration on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Human Rights


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Rumostan
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Postby Rumostan » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:32 am

Kouralia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Becuase it sucks?

It be better than one where every officer is carrying an automatic weapon and body armour all the time. Because then it gets oppressive.


Where was that taken?
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kouralia » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:34 am

Rumostan wrote:
Kouralia wrote:It be better than one where every officer is carrying an automatic weapon and body armour all the time. Because then it gets oppressive.


Where was that taken?

A film called Children of Men, where humanity basically suddenly can't have kids - so it gets real oppressive, real dangerous, real fast. I know it's not real, but imagine if that was your friendly policeman. Imagine if every Policeman looked like that, would you feel like an extra for 1984?
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:37 am

Kouralia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Becuase it sucks?

It be better than one where every officer is carrying an automatic weapon and body armour all the time. Because then it gets oppressive.

Oh me like.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
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Rumostan
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Founded: May 11, 2013
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Postby Rumostan » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:48 am

Kouralia wrote:
Rumostan wrote:
Where was that taken?

A film called Children of Men, where humanity basically suddenly can't have kids - so it gets real oppressive, real dangerous, real fast. I know it's not real, but imagine if that was your friendly policeman. Imagine if every Policeman looked like that, would you feel like an extra for 1984?


Well according to some Guardian-reading-left-wing-insane-people, Britain has basically become the country in 1984. But I wouldn't be happy if every police officer looked like that.
Senator Alex Johnson- Senator for The National Liberal Party and Senator for the constituency of Lüten (96)
My political compass:
Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.26
Why don't you take a look at the nations fact book (still being completed) to get a taste of what it is like in the Sultanate?
I am a non practising Sunni Muslim
Lelouch is amazing and should be a god
I am a Conservative (UK)

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Postby Deckersia » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:53 am

I'm sure most British would agree that it's not as bad as 1984.
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Postby Malgrave » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:56 am

Rumostan wrote:
Kouralia wrote:A film called Children of Men, where humanity basically suddenly can't have kids - so it gets real oppressive, real dangerous, real fast. I know it's not real, but imagine if that was your friendly policeman. Imagine if every Policeman looked like that, would you feel like an extra for 1984?


Well according to some Guardian-reading-left-wing-insane-people, Britain has basically become the country in 1984. But I wouldn't be happy if every police officer looked like that.


Its not polite to call guardian readers and the left-wing insane.
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Postby Kouralia » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:05 am

Rumostan wrote:
Kouralia wrote:A film called Children of Men, where humanity basically suddenly can't have kids - so it gets real oppressive, real dangerous, real fast. I know it's not real, but imagine if that was your friendly policeman. Imagine if every Policeman looked like that, would you feel like an extra for 1984?


Well according to some Guardian-reading-left-wing-insane-people, Britain has basically become the country in 1984. But I wouldn't be happy if every police officer looked like that.

Yes, we have cameras everywhere. No, we do not torture people for committing 'thought crimes'.
Malgrave wrote:
Rumostan wrote:
Well according to some Guardian-reading-left-wing-insane-people, Britain has basically become the country in 1984. But I wouldn't be happy if every police officer looked like that.


Its not polite to call guardian readers and the left-wing insane.
Daily Mail Readers and the BNP on the other hand...
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Postby Malgrave » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:22 am

I think everyone should log onto the senate IRC when possible.
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Postby Britanno » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:34 am

Malgrave wrote:I think everyone should log onto the senate IRC when possible.


I absolutely hate IRC so I won't be doing that.
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Postby Rumostan » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:53 am

Deckersia wrote:I'm sure most British would agree that it's not as bad as 1984.


It isn't but most of us are *cough* normal *cough*.
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My political compass:
Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.26
Why don't you take a look at the nations fact book (still being completed) to get a taste of what it is like in the Sultanate?
I am a non practising Sunni Muslim
Lelouch is amazing and should be a god
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Postby Finium » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:32 pm

Obviously this requires a section regulating imports, looking much like the domestic manufacturer's section, but I'd like to hear some thoughts now anyway.


Firearm Information and Monitoring Act (FIMA)

1§ National Bureau of Firearms
1.1 The National Bureau of Firearms (NBF) is hereby established under the aegis of the Ministry of the Interior to monitor transactions involving firearms, maintain a national registry of firearms and aid national and local authorities in the investigation of firearm crimes.
1.2a The NBF will be led by a "Director of the National Bureau of Firearms", who, having been duly appointed by the Minister of the Interior, will report to the Minister of the Interior.
1.2b The Director of the National Bureau of Firearms will have authority to act as the chief officer of the NBF and to appoint inferior officers.
1.3 The budget of the NBF will be defined by the Minister of the Interior from the general budget of the Ministry of the Interior.

2§ Domestic Manufacturers of Firearms
2.1a Any organization that assembles, manufactures or otherwise creates firearms in any constituency, province or territory of the commonwealth in any way must register with NBF as a "Domestic Manufacturer of Firearms", the registry process being determined and appropriately amended by the Minister of the Interior. Having registered the appropriate information with the NBF and having been found by the NBF to be in full accordance with all applicable regulation, the NBF will issue a license to produce firearms within the commonwealth.

2.1b All domestic manufacturers of firearms must submit to the NBF a quarterly report of production volume, profits and products that must correspond to said manufacturer's tax report, which the NBF will have full rights to review.

2.2a Any manufacturer suspected by the NBF of breaching appropriate protocol in the manufacturing, report or registry process may be requested to submit to an audit of production volume, profits or products to assure that all regulations are adequately observed therein, with or without informing said manufacturer of the cause. The NBF does not have the right to conduct and audit without proper authorization from the executive officers or owners of a manufacturer.

2.2b Any manufacturer to be found to have purposefully misled the NBF in report or registration may have their licenses removed and involved persons may be fined up to one million (1,000,000) Aurentine Dollars and face up to ten (10) years in a national penitentiary.

3§ Commercial Vendors of Firearms
3.1a Any organization that distributes, sells or otherwise disseminates firearms in any constituency, province or territory of the commonwealth in any way must register with NBF as a "Domestic Vendor of Firearms", the registry process being determined and appropriately amended by the Minister of the Interior. Having registered the appropriate information with the NBF and having been found by the NBF to be in full accordance with all applicable regulation, the NBF will issue a license to vend firearms within the commonwealth.

3.1b All domestic vendors of firearms must submit to the NBF a quarterly report of sales volume, profits and products that must correspond to said vendor's tax report, which the NBF will have full rights to review.

3.2a Domestic vendors of firearms may not vend products to (i) persons having committed a severe crime, (ii) persons not a citizen of the commonwealth or (iii) persons not willing to cooperate with transactional guidelines.

3.3a Any vendor suspected by the NBF of breaching appropriate protocol in the vending, report or registry process may be requested to submit to an audit of sales volume, profits and/or products to assure that all regulations are adequately observed therein, with or without informing said manufacturer of the cause. The NBF does not have the right to conduct and audit without proper authorization from the executive officers or owners of a vendor.

3.3b Any vendor to be found to have purposefully misled the NBF in report or registration may have their licenses removed and involved persons may be fined up to two million (2,000,000) Aurentine Dollars and face up to thirty (30) years in a national penitentiary.

4§ Firearm Owners
4.1a Any person who privately owns firearms in any constituency, province or territory of the commonwealth in any way must register with NBF as a "Domestic Owner of Firearms".

4.2b The registration process will consist of the owner's (i) current contact information (address, phone, email etc.), (ii) current place of residence (if not already provided), (iii) number and variety of firearms (iv) current occupation and (v) current place of occupation. The NBF must be informed of any changes in this information with two (2) months or sixty (60) days of said change.

4.3c Having registered the appropriate information with the NBF and have been found eligible to own and operate a firearm, the NBF will issue, in a timely and expedient manner, a license to own and operate firearms to said registering person.

4.3d Any person not (i) a felon, (ii) substantially mentally impaired, (iii) under the age of majority or (iv) non-citizens will be considered eligible for possession and operation of a firearm.

4.4a The NBF may not subject any person to more or less rigorous examination unless the denial of a license is contested by a potential owner nor may the NBF deny ownership of a firearm except for listed reasons in 4.3d.

4.5 Any unregistered person found to have used a firearm in legitimate self defense may not be prosecuted for lack of a license to operate a firearm, though they may still be subject to investigation concerning the ownership of a firearm.

5§ Firearm Transactions
5.1a Any transaction involving firearms including the sale, purchase or trade must be reported to the NBF in a statement naming (i) the original owner, (ii) the original owner's NBF issued license number, (iii) new owner, (iv) new owner's NBF issued license number, (v) firearm(s) involved and (vi) the serial number(s) of the firearm(s).

5.1b A transaction statement must be issued and recorded for every firearm sale, purchase or trade.

5.2a Owners may not confer ownership of any firearm(s) to any ineligible person or institution.

5.2b If any person or institution if found to have transferred ownership of a firearm to any ineligible person or institution, said firearms will be confiscated, the transferees license will be revoked and all persons or institutions involved will be subject to a fine up to ten million (10,000,000) Aurentine Dollars and imprisonment for up to fifty (50) years.[/size]
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Postby Deckersia » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:03 pm

Why make a big deal on the subject of firearms when it is the PEOPLE that make the decision to kill. Let's find ways to divert the PEOPLE from killing others instead of limiting the rights of the law abiding citizens to own weaponry. Though yes a good idea, I'm just getting this out there preemptively.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:07 pm

Deckersia wrote:Why make a big deal on the subject of firearms when it is the PEOPLE that make the decision to kill. Let's find ways to divert the PEOPLE from killing others instead of limiting the rights of the law abiding citizens to own weaponry. Though yes a good idea, I'm just getting this out there preemptively.


As many aspects of mental illness (or the brain itself for that matter) are not fully understood, and will likely not be understood at least within our lifetimes, it is far better to remove items that will lead to public harm from the public consumption.

There is a big difference between someone making the decision to kill, and someone making the decision to kill while having access to a dangerous firearm.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:10 pm

Deckersia wrote:Why make a big deal on the subject of firearms when it is the PEOPLE that make the decision to kill. Let's find ways to divert the PEOPLE from killing others instead of limiting the rights of the law abiding citizens to own weaponry. Though yes a good idea, I'm just getting this out there preemptively.


Not just that this bill creates a black market for guns focused around criminals and organised crime whilst at the same time adding extra cost and hassle to law abiding citizens for no benefit to society.

EDIT: This is the real problem with the bill. As far as I am concerned.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:15 pm

Deckersia wrote:Why make a big deal on the subject of firearms when it is the PEOPLE that make the decision to kill. Let's find ways to divert the PEOPLE from killing others instead of limiting the rights of the law abiding citizens to own weaponry. Though yes a good idea, I'm just getting this out there preemptively.

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Yes, but with guns. The statement should be "Guns don't kill people, people kill people...usually with guns." Easy access to guns allows violent or angry people to kill in mass numbers. Background checks aren't a sure-fire way to make sure people with violent tendencies will not obtain firearms. People without a history of violence can still be capable of murder. Every criminal has a first time, so it's best if we restrict powerful firearms. A fear society is not a society that I would want to live in.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:18 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Deckersia wrote:Why make a big deal on the subject of firearms when it is the PEOPLE that make the decision to kill. Let's find ways to divert the PEOPLE from killing others instead of limiting the rights of the law abiding citizens to own weaponry. Though yes a good idea, I'm just getting this out there preemptively.


Not just that this bill creates a black market for guns focused around criminals and organised crime whilst at the same time adding extra cost and hassle to law abiding citizens for no benefit to society.


It is our responsibility to enforce our laws. We'd be an incompetent government if we weren't constantly trailing the black market in weapons.
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Postby Yanalia » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:20 pm

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:21 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Not just that this bill creates a black market for guns focused around criminals and organised crime whilst at the same time adding extra cost and hassle to law abiding citizens for no benefit to society.


It is our responsibility to enforce our laws. We'd be an incompetent government if we weren't constantly trailing the black market in weapons.

My point is we should have no regulation or outright bans with custodial sentences for the possession of firearms without licences. Only licences granted should be for Hunting and sport guns.

Not the worst of both systems by some hybrid in-between system.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:22 pm

Yanalia wrote:Senator Jenkins drags in a horse carcass. Then after opening a can of worms, he begins hitting the horse with the empty can.

We beat the dead horse to a pulp a long time ago. Now we're beating up the stick that beat the horse to a pulp.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:22 pm

Yanalia wrote:Senator Jenkins drags in a horse carcass. Then after opening a can of worms, he begins hitting the horse with the empty can.


That can't be sanitary :unsure:
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:23 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Yanalia wrote:Senator Jenkins drags in a horse carcass. Then after opening a can of worms, he begins hitting the horse with the empty can.


That can't be sanitary :unsure:


Not to mention security would not allow it in the building.
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