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Postby Potenco » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:07 am

I Sponsor the Blakewell Act. I wish I could sponsor twice

We could add another clause that would add a minimum ten year sentence if one is convicted of participating in a criminal enterprise
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Postby Kalmath » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:10 am

Potenco wrote:I Sponsor. I wish I could sponsor twice

We could add another clause that would add a minimum ten year sentence if one is convicted of participating in a criminal enterprise

Thxs for the Sponsorship :)

I thought about that but I want the Prosecutors to be able to cut deals with the low levels so they will testify against the big fishes.
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Postby Rumostan » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:10 am

I just want to point out that the Mafia only did things for four days and seem to have stopped their activities.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:10 am

Why set punishments when the Judicial Act sets...

1a. A contravention is defined as the least severe form of a crime, which is crime that lacks the severity to trialed against a panel of judges in it's court of first instance. Examples include driving offenses and public disorder. A perpetrator of a contravention may not receive a prison sentence. A maximum fine of £3,000 may be given; it is a maximum fine of £45,000 against corporations.
1b. A delict is defined as a crime that is severe enough to have it's case be trialed before a panel of judges, but not severe enough to warrant the same or similar punishment as a felony. Examples include aggravated assault and battery or wilful neglect of a child. A perpetrator of a delict may receive a prison sentence at or under 10 years and my be fined up to £15,000; it is a maximum fine of £1,000,000 against corporations.
1c. A felony is defined as the most serious kind of crime that could of resulted or has caused the death of an individual or a group, or has otherwise caused severe psychological or physical damage. Examples include murder, rape or arson. A felony shall be trialed before a panel of judges and shall be subject to the most severe forms of punishment. A perpetrator of a felony is mandated to receive a prison sentence at or over 10 years (depending on the crime, the minimum could be more) and may be up to £1,000,000; it is a maximum fine of £10,000,000 against corporations.
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Postby Kalmath » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:11 am

Rumostan wrote:I just want to point out that the Mafia only did things for four days and seem to have stopped their activities.


So you want to wait till they rear their heads up again? They are laying low until the pressure is off them.
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Postby Potenco » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:12 am

I think we should look more into giving the police extra powers in fighting the mafia, as far as addenda to the Blakewell Act.
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Postby Rumostan » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:12 am

Kalmath wrote:
Rumostan wrote:I just want to point out that the Mafia only did things for four days and seem to have stopped their activities.


So you want to wait till they rear their heads up again? They are laying low until the pressure is off them.


I'm just saying that by the time this gets to the senate chamber, it might be too late. Also, doesn't the Judicial Act cover these things?
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Postby Potenco » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:13 am

Rumostan wrote:
Kalmath wrote:
So you want to wait till they rear their heads up again? They are laying low until the pressure is off them.


I'm just saying that by the time this gets to the senate chamber, it might be too late. Also, doesn't the Judicial Act cover these things?

Organized crime wasnt considered when the Judicial Act was written. The justice System needs updating
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Postby Kalmath » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:14 am

Ainin wrote:Why set punishments when the Judicial Act sets...

1a. A contravention is defined as the least severe form of a crime, which is crime that lacks the severity to trialed against a panel of judges in it's court of first instance. Examples include driving offenses and public disorder. A perpetrator of a contravention may not receive a prison sentence. A maximum fine of £3,000 may be given; it is a maximum fine of £45,000 against corporations.
1b. A delict is defined as a crime that is severe enough to have it's case be trialed before a panel of judges, but not severe enough to warrant the same or similar punishment as a felony. Examples include aggravated assault and battery or wilful neglect of a child. A perpetrator of a delict may receive a prison sentence at or under 10 years and my be fined up to £15,000; it is a maximum fine of £1,000,000 against corporations.
1c. A felony is defined as the most serious kind of crime that could of resulted or has caused the death of an individual or a group, or has otherwise caused severe psychological or physical damage. Examples include murder, rape or arson. A felony shall be trialed before a panel of judges and shall be subject to the most severe forms of punishment. A perpetrator of a felony is mandated to receive a prison sentence at or over 10 years (depending on the crime, the minimum could be more) and may be up to £1,000,000; it is a maximum fine of £10,000,000 against corporations.


I felt as though the Judicial Act was not targeted enough especially against organized crime.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:15 am

Kalmath wrote:
Ainin wrote:Why set punishments when the Judicial Act sets...

1a. A contravention is defined as the least severe form of a crime, which is crime that lacks the severity to trialed against a panel of judges in it's court of first instance. Examples include driving offenses and public disorder. A perpetrator of a contravention may not receive a prison sentence. A maximum fine of £3,000 may be given; it is a maximum fine of £45,000 against corporations.
1b. A delict is defined as a crime that is severe enough to have it's case be trialed before a panel of judges, but not severe enough to warrant the same or similar punishment as a felony. Examples include aggravated assault and battery or wilful neglect of a child. A perpetrator of a delict may receive a prison sentence at or under 10 years and my be fined up to £15,000; it is a maximum fine of £1,000,000 against corporations.
1c. A felony is defined as the most serious kind of crime that could of resulted or has caused the death of an individual or a group, or has otherwise caused severe psychological or physical damage. Examples include murder, rape or arson. A felony shall be trialed before a panel of judges and shall be subject to the most severe forms of punishment. A perpetrator of a felony is mandated to receive a prison sentence at or over 10 years (depending on the crime, the minimum could be more) and may be up to £1,000,000; it is a maximum fine of £10,000,000 against corporations.


I felt as though the Judicial Act was not targeted enough especially against organized crime.

OK, but I still think you should use the types of crimes defined by the Judicial Act instead of creating the sentences in your act. It just seems... odd.
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Postby Potenco » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:15 am

Ainin wrote:Why set punishments when the Judicial Act sets...

1a. A contravention is defined as the least severe form of a crime, which is crime that lacks the severity to trialed against a panel of judges in it's court of first instance. Examples include driving offenses and public disorder. A perpetrator of a contravention may not receive a prison sentence. A maximum fine of £3,000 may be given; it is a maximum fine of £45,000 against corporations.
1b. A delict is defined as a crime that is severe enough to have it's case be trialed before a panel of judges, but not severe enough to warrant the same or similar punishment as a felony. Examples include aggravated assault and battery or wilful neglect of a child. A perpetrator of a delict may receive a prison sentence at or under 10 years and my be fined up to £15,000; it is a maximum fine of £1,000,000 against corporations.
1c. A felony is defined as the most serious kind of crime that could of resulted or has caused the death of an individual or a group, or has otherwise caused severe psychological or physical damage. Examples include murder, rape or arson. A felony shall be trialed before a panel of judges and shall be subject to the most severe forms of punishment. A perpetrator of a felony is mandated to receive a prison sentence at or over 10 years (depending on the crime, the minimum could be more) and may be up to £1,000,000; it is a maximum fine of £10,000,000 against corporations.

Honestly, has the Judicial Act worked against organized crime as it is now? No, we need to do as much as we can to stop these people as we can.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:17 am

Potenco wrote:
Ainin wrote:Why set punishments when the Judicial Act sets...

1a. A contravention is defined as the least severe form of a crime, which is crime that lacks the severity to trialed against a panel of judges in it's court of first instance. Examples include driving offenses and public disorder. A perpetrator of a contravention may not receive a prison sentence. A maximum fine of £3,000 may be given; it is a maximum fine of £45,000 against corporations.
1b. A delict is defined as a crime that is severe enough to have it's case be trialed before a panel of judges, but not severe enough to warrant the same or similar punishment as a felony. Examples include aggravated assault and battery or wilful neglect of a child. A perpetrator of a delict may receive a prison sentence at or under 10 years and my be fined up to £15,000; it is a maximum fine of £1,000,000 against corporations.
1c. A felony is defined as the most serious kind of crime that could of resulted or has caused the death of an individual or a group, or has otherwise caused severe psychological or physical damage. Examples include murder, rape or arson. A felony shall be trialed before a panel of judges and shall be subject to the most severe forms of punishment. A perpetrator of a felony is mandated to receive a prison sentence at or over 10 years (depending on the crime, the minimum could be more) and may be up to £1,000,000; it is a maximum fine of £10,000,000 against corporations.

Honestly, has the Judicial Act worked against organized crime as it is now? No, we need to do as much as we can to stop these people as we can.

No, I'm saying to use the types of crimes defined by the Judicial Act instead of setting punishments in this bill.
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Postby Kalmath » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:18 am

Ainin wrote:
Kalmath wrote:
I felt as though the Judicial Act was not targeted enough especially against organized crime.

OK, but I still think you should use the types of crimes defined by the Judicial Act instead of creating the sentences in your act. It just seems... odd.

The Judicial Act doesn't give the power for temporary freezing of assets that the courts need. Criminal Enterprises use Shell Corporations to hide and move their crime tainted money.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:21 am

Example:

. (A) Any person part of a Criminal Enterprise who has committed any two of the crimes in (§ II -2- A) within a eleven year period may be charged with racketeering. Any person(s) found guilty of Racketeering may face up to twenty five years in prison, fined up to 250,000 NSD and will forfeit all ill-gotten gains. (B) Those found guilty of Racketeering may be subject to civil suits by those who have been harmed by the convicted.

changes to...

. (A) Any person part of a Criminal Enterprise who has committed any two of the crimes in (§ II -2- A) within a eleven year period may be charged with racketeering. Any person(s) found guilty of Racketeering may face up to twenty five years in prison, fined up to 250,000 NSD be charged with a felony and will forfeit all ill-gotten gains. (B) Those found guilty of Racketeering may be subject to civil suits by those who have been harmed by the convicted.
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Postby Kalmath » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:23 am

Ainin wrote:Example:

. (A) Any person part of a Criminal Enterprise who has committed any two of the crimes in (§ II -2- A) within a eleven year period may be charged with racketeering. Any person(s) found guilty of Racketeering may face up to twenty five years in prison, fined up to 250,000 NSD and will forfeit all ill-gotten gains. (B) Those found guilty of Racketeering may be subject to civil suits by those who have been harmed by the convicted.

changes to...

. (A) Any person part of a Criminal Enterprise who has committed any two of the crimes in (§ II -2- A) within a eleven year period may be charged with racketeering. Any person(s) found guilty of Racketeering may face up to twenty five years in prison, fined up to 250,000 NSD be charged with a felony and will forfeit all ill-gotten gains. (B) Those found guilty of Racketeering may be subject to civil suits by those who have been harmed by the convicted.


The Blakewell Act
Author: Kalmath
Urgency: Urgent
Sponsors: Potenco



DECLARING that Organized Crime in Aurentina has reached unprecedented levels.

SHOCKED at the blatant murder of Mr. Blakewell.

RECOMMENDS these measures to curb and control Criminal Enterprises.

§ I - Scope

1. (A) Any person part of a Criminal Enterprise who has committed any two of the crimes in (§ II -2- A) within a eleven year period may be charged with racketeering. Any person(s) found guilty of Racketeering may be charged with a felony and will forfeit all ill-gotten gains. (B) Those found guilty of Racketeering may be subject to civil suits by those who have been harmed by the convicted.

2. (A) If the Ministry of Justice chooses to indict a person on racketeering charges the defendants assets can be temporarily frozen until the either he is found innocent of racketeering or the racketeering charge is dropped.

3. (A) If one member of a criminal enterprise is indicted on racketeering charges under this act, the Ministry of Justice may also indict all members of said criminal enterprise on said charges. (B) If found guilty all indicted shall be convicted of racketeering.

4. (A) The Ministry of Justice may indict a person as the head of a Continuing Criminal Enterprise, and therefore, if convicted of racketeering face up to life in prison without the possibility of parole, a fine of at least 2 million NSD, seizure of ALL assets, and a felony charge.

§ II - Criminal Organizations and Crimes

1. (A) Criminal Enterprise: is a group of individuals with an identified hierarchy, or comparable structure, engaged in criminal activity.

2. (A) Murder, protection, kidnapping, extortion, robbery (of any means), arson, bribery, possession of stolen property, fraud, identity theft, theft, counterfeiting, embezzlement, obstruction of justice, slavery, money laundering, blackmail, smuggling, assisting/aiding/embedding illegal aliens, securities fraud, insurance fraud, and acts of terrorism.

3. (A) Head of a Continuing Criminal Enterprise: an organizer, manager, or supervisor of the continuing operation and have obtained substantial income or resources from any of the crimes found it (§ II -2- A).

Hereby passes the Blakewell Act.


Point taken and redrafted
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:21 am

Armed Police Act
Drafted by:CTALNH

OBSERVING The recent rise of organised crime and violent crime.

REALIZING That the police should be ready to handle situations like this 24/7.

MANDATES That every police officer should carry a fully automatic weapon and bulletproof vests.

Hereby passes the Armed Police Act.


Ideas?
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:25 am

CTALNH wrote:
Armed Police Act
Drafted by:CTALNH

OBSERVING The recent rise of organised crime and violent crime.

REALIZING That the police should be ready to handle situations like this 24/7.

MANDATES That every policeman should carry a fully automatic weapon and bulletproof vests.

Hereby passes the Armed Police Act.


Ideas?

Against. Make love, not war. Yolo swag.
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:26 am

Ainin wrote:
CTALNH wrote:
Armed Police Act
Drafted by:CTALNH

OBSERVING The recent rise of organised crime and violent crime.

REALIZING That the police should be ready to handle situations like this 24/7.

MANDATES That every policeman should carry a fully automatic weapon and bulletproof vests.

Hereby passes the Armed Police Act.


Ideas?

Against. Make love, not war. Yolo swag.

How about making protected love?
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Postby Rumostan » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:35 am

CTALNH wrote:
Armed Police Act
Drafted by:CTALNH

OBSERVING The recent rise of organised crime and violent crime.

REALIZING That the police should be ready to handle situations like this 24/7.

MANDATES That every policeman should carry a fully automatic weapon and bulletproof vests.

Hereby passes the Armed Police Act.


Ideas?


Against, we are not a totalitarian nation which gives the police dangerous weapons.
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Postby Kalmath » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:37 am

If you want to stop the Mafia Support the Blakewell Act, it gives the police the power to take down entire criminal enterprises in case. It is modeled from the the USA's RICO Act.
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:37 am

Rumostan wrote:
CTALNH wrote:
Armed Police Act
Drafted by:CTALNH

OBSERVING The recent rise of organised crime and violent crime.

REALIZING That the police should be ready to handle situations like this 24/7.

MANDATES That every policeman should carry a fully automatic weapon and bulletproof vests.

Hereby passes the Armed Police Act.


Ideas?


Against, we are not a totalitarian nation which gives the police dangerous weapons.

:palm:
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Postby CTALNH » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:38 am

Kalmath wrote:If you want to stop the Mafia Support the Blakewell Act, it gives the police the power to take down entire criminal enterprises in case. It is modeled from the the USA's RICO Act.

I do not give a crap about the mafia.

The safety of the policemen is much more important.
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Postby Rumostan » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:38 am

CTALNH wrote:
Rumostan wrote:
Against, we are not a totalitarian nation which gives the police dangerous weapons.

:palm:


Well we are not, even the police are against it.
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Postby Britanno » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:39 am

Kalmath wrote:If you want to stop the Mafia Support the Blakewell Act, it gives the police the power to take down entire criminal enterprises in case. It is modeled from the the USA's RICO Act.


Can you give me a link?
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