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The Treorai
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Postby The Treorai » Sun May 05, 2013 8:45 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Yanalia wrote:Paramilitaries were legal prior to the entering of this bill.


Unless you can show me a specific piece of legislation stating that political paramilitaries are legal (like the right to own arms), then you may have a point.

The paramilitaries need to be disbanded because they will undoubtedly lead to violence, but we should not assume that all current members of them are already criminals.


We're not. They're criminals after this bill passes.

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Get with the program Lanos. We're not talking about the firearms bill.

Everything is legal until it is said otherwise. There isn't anything about legalizing a police force, only something about founding one. There isn't anything about legalizing breathing though we don't see the police knocking down doors because someone is mouth breathing too loudly.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sun May 05, 2013 9:19 pm

To clarify, the Progress Coalition has no official stance on gun control or paramilitary disbandment at the moment. Members may choose on their own.
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Postby Agritum » Sun May 05, 2013 10:03 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:Also for your consideration, senators:

Internal Security Bill (2013)
Co-drafted by: Costa Alegria and Wolfmanne || Urgency: High
Co-sponsors: Progressive-Conservative Party(?), Britcan (TR, possible)

Preamble


The security of our nation is a top priority for the government and the Senate. Election to the Senate gives you the responsibility to ensure that you can hold the government to account in ensuring the safety and security of our people. However, it is not the responsibility of individual political parties to act as the judge, jury and executioner, for only multiple political parties and not just one can hold the government to account. Furthermore, we recognise that whether you support or oppose the Right to Bear Arms, in a time such as this, we need to reach a compromise until specific firearms legislation promoting or restricting the ownership of guns. In order to further the government's ability to ensure the security of this nation, we see the need for the creation of a government organisation to do just that, as evidenced by the 1st Festival of Republic, where armed right-wing paramilitaries are attempting to agitate left-wing paramilitaries into destabilising the nation.

Article 1: On Paramilitaries
1a: All paramilitaries, with the exception of those under the auspices of government agencies, are to be formally disbanded, including those under political parties and those otherwise independent from them, such as vigilante groups or citizen militias.
1b: All paramilitaries are to surrender their arms, munitions and vehicles with mounted weaponry that may have the potential of causing lethal harm to others to the Ministry of Justice, who shall issue disarmament warrants to law enforcement agencies.
1c: Paramilitaries that fail to disarm or be disbanded are to be designated as terrorist organisations. If they are under the auspices of a parent organisation, such as a political party, then they are to dissuade links from that paramilitary or they to shall be considered a terrorist organisation.
1d: The creation of new paramilitaries, vigilante groups and citizen militias is banned and all new paramilitaries are to be recognised as terrorist organisations. Any organisations, such as political parties, that endorse new paramilitaries, vigilante groups and citizen militias are also to be designated as terrorist organisations.
1e: Paramilitaries or individual members who fail to disarm may be arrested and trialed on the charges of refusal to disarm, illegal promotion of paramilitary activities and terrorism.

Article 2: The Gendarmerie
1a: In light of potential civil war and for use in a time of a national or regional emergency the Aurentinian Gendarmerie is to be established under the auspices of the Ministry of the Interior.
1b: The Aurentinian Gendarmerie is shall provide security of public institutions, ministries and courts, embassies and consulates international airports, national museums, nuclear power plants, riots & crowds control, publicly crowded events and our national borders.
1c: The Aurentinian Gendarmerie shall conduct high risk arrests, disaster response, SWAT operations, the suppression of internal armed conflicts and riots, the policing of areas without a sufficient amount of civilian police, to support local constabularies and counter-terrorism operations.
1d: The Gendarmerie shall be organised into a series of Brigades consisting of a number of Regiments from different regions.
1e: In times of war, the Gendarmerie or individual Brigades and Regiments may be drafted by the National Defense Force to provide rear security, police the military and for national defense against external threats, based upon the threat to national security this war may have. Gendarmes are to be considered a part of the military and not civilians, however whilst the Aurentinian Gendarmerie is considered to be a military organisation, it does not come under the National Defense Force but the Ministry of the Interior, unless they have been drafted.
1f: Gendarmes shall have policing powers as established by the Policing and Law Enforcement Act.


Article 3: Terrorist Organisations
3a: A terrorist organisation shall be defined as an armed paramilitary, vigilante or citizen militias that have refused to be disarmed in accordance with the paramilitary ban in Articles 1a.
3b: Herein also extends the definition of terrorist organisations as groups that act in a violent manner towards the state and its citizens and those that commit acts of violence against the state and its citizens for the advancement of an agenda.

I'd support it.

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Postby Lemanrussland » Sun May 05, 2013 10:10 pm

Greater Pokarnia wrote:
Fixed some errors to make a grade level the same number of instructional hours as are in a year of schooling at a public school.

Public Education Act


Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsored by: Costa Algeria (PC), The Realm of God (PC), Geilinor (LD), Zweite Alaje (NI)

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 10,500 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for each 1,500 hours of school missed and 3 months of jail for each 1,500 hours of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.
9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school.
10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.
11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.
12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 10 grade levels comprised of at least 1,050 instructional hours.
13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.
13. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.
15. There shall be 5 days in the school week, each comprising of 7 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess don't count towards this number of hours. Schools must have at least 30 school weeks per year. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.
19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.


Would anybody be willing to co-sponsor this to move it into queue?

It would be nice to have some public vocational schools, like in Germany. This is good enough though, and already has enough sponsors.

Once we get a public school system in, I suppose I'll write a bill for vocational training and schools.
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Postby Agritum » Sun May 05, 2013 10:12 pm

Lemanrussland wrote:
Greater Pokarnia wrote:Fixed some errors to make a grade level the same number of instructional hours as are in a year of schooling at a public school.

Public Education Act


Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsored by: Costa Algeria (PC), The Realm of God (PC), Geilinor (LD), Zweite Alaje (NI)

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 10,500 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for each 1,500 hours of school missed and 3 months of jail for each 1,500 hours of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.
9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school.
10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.
11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.
12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 10 grade levels comprised of at least 1,050 instructional hours.
13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.
13. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.
15. There shall be 5 days in the school week, each comprising of 7 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess don't count towards this number of hours. Schools must have at least 30 school weeks per year. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.
19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.


Would anybody be willing to co-sponsor this to move it into queue?

It would be nice to have some public vocational schools, like in Germany. This is good enough though, and already has enough sponsors.

Once we get a public school system in, I suppose I'll write a bill for vocational training and schools.

I'm supporting this too.

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Postby Lemanrussland » Sun May 05, 2013 10:12 pm

The Treorai wrote:
National Space and Scientific Research Agency Establishment Act
An act to found a government agency responsible for scientific exploration and organization.
DRAFT 6

Drafted By Sen. Treorai
Sponsored by:
Sen. Yanalia
Sen. Pokarnia

BELIEVING That intelligence and learning are some of the most important qualities of human society,

WORRIED By the fact that no official state administration exists who's purpose is to pursue the advancement of scientific endeavors outside of the executive branch of government,

FURTHER BELIEVING That an independent scientific authority will provide an unbiased way to enforce ethical scientific research laws,

HOPING Increasing emphasis on science will inspire a higher national intelligence, and give future generations greater opportunities in education and career choice,

ESTABLISHES The National Space and Scientific Research Agency (NSSRA),

FURTHER ESTABLISHES The position of Director of the NSSRA, to run the operations of the agency,

DEFINES The duties of the NSSRA as;
1. To manage state sponsored scientific experimentation,
2. To organize our national space program,
3. To enforce the Code of Ethical Scientific Research,
4. To promote ethical scientific research,
5. To serve as our nation's primary scientific institution, outside of the executive branch of government,

FURTHER DEFINES The Code of Ethical Scientific Research as a set of laws that are as follows;
1. No human may be killed in the process of a scientific experiment,
2. No human may be experimented upon without without prior consent
(a) If the subject is not of the appropriate age of consent, his/her Legal Guardian must first give consent, as well as the subject,
(b) No pain may be inflicted upon the subject, unless said pain was explicitly outlined prior to consent,
3. Experiments done upon animals should not result in mutilation, or excessive, long lasting pain to the subject,
4. No experiments shall be done to deceased humans, unless the subject has consented to donate their body to scientific research prior to death,
(a) If the subject was underage at the time of death, his/her Legal Guardian may consent to donate the subject's body to scientific research,
5. Researchers may not profit from their research, unless the research was funded and commissioned by a privately owned operation,
(a) Defines "privately owned operation" as any economic entity outside of our nation's government,
6. Any research in violation of this code is henceforth considered unethical and illegal,

HEREBY Considers the NSSRA second only to the Ministry of Research and Astronomy in scientific authority,

REQUIRES All scientific research centers in our nation to register themselves with the NSSRA,

GRANTS The NSSRA the ability to inspect any site in our nation that is carrying out scientific research,

FURTHER GRANTS The NSSRA the power to mandate a police investigation of those suspected of violating the Code of Ethical Scientific Research.

Why not just subordinate this to the Ministry of Research and Astronomy instead of creating redundant agencies and bureaucracy?

EDIT: There are also competitor space agency bills out there, which may slow us down a bit (since there will be division on which space agency bill to support). Worse, both might pass, creating 2 space agencies outside of the Ministry of Research and Astronomy.
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Postby Agritum » Sun May 05, 2013 10:15 pm

Lemanrussland wrote:
The Treorai wrote:
National Space and Scientific Research Agency Establishment Act
An act to found a government agency responsible for scientific exploration and organization.
DRAFT 6

Drafted By Sen. Treorai
Sponsored by:
Sen. Yanalia
Sen. Pokarnia

BELIEVING That intelligence and learning are some of the most important qualities of human society,

WORRIED By the fact that no official state administration exists who's purpose is to pursue the advancement of scientific endeavors outside of the executive branch of government,

FURTHER BELIEVING That an independent scientific authority will provide an unbiased way to enforce ethical scientific research laws,

HOPING Increasing emphasis on science will inspire a higher national intelligence, and give future generations greater opportunities in education and career choice,

ESTABLISHES The National Space and Scientific Research Agency (NSSRA),

FURTHER ESTABLISHES The position of Director of the NSSRA, to run the operations of the agency,

DEFINES The duties of the NSSRA as;
1. To manage state sponsored scientific experimentation,
2. To organize our national space program,
3. To enforce the Code of Ethical Scientific Research,
4. To promote ethical scientific research,
5. To serve as our nation's primary scientific institution, outside of the executive branch of government,

FURTHER DEFINES The Code of Ethical Scientific Research as a set of laws that are as follows;
1. No human may be killed in the process of a scientific experiment,
2. No human may be experimented upon without without prior consent
(a) If the subject is not of the appropriate age of consent, his/her Legal Guardian must first give consent, as well as the subject,
(b) No pain may be inflicted upon the subject, unless said pain was explicitly outlined prior to consent,
3. Experiments done upon animals should not result in mutilation, or excessive, long lasting pain to the subject,
4. No experiments shall be done to deceased humans, unless the subject has consented to donate their body to scientific research prior to death,
(a) If the subject was underage at the time of death, his/her Legal Guardian may consent to donate the subject's body to scientific research,
5. Researchers may not profit from their research, unless the research was funded and commissioned by a privately owned operation,
(a) Defines "privately owned operation" as any economic entity outside of our nation's government,
6. Any research in violation of this code is henceforth considered unethical and illegal,

HEREBY Considers the NSSRA second only to the Ministry of Research and Astronomy in scientific authority,

REQUIRES All scientific research centers in our nation to register themselves with the NSSRA,

GRANTS The NSSRA the ability to inspect any site in our nation that is carrying out scientific research,

FURTHER GRANTS The NSSRA the power to mandate a police investigation of those suspected of violating the Code of Ethical Scientific Research.

Why not just subordinate this to the Ministry of Research and Astronomy instead of creating redundant agencies and bureaucracy?

I share your sentiment, Leman.
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Postby Yanalia » Sun May 05, 2013 10:16 pm

Agritum wrote:
Lemanrussland wrote:Why not just subordinate this to the Ministry of Research and Astronomy instead of creating redundant agencies and bureaucracy?

I share your sentiment, Leman.


I believe Sen. Treorai said he wanted a separate agency outside of the executive. You can read his justification about two pages ago.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sun May 05, 2013 10:25 pm

Yanalia wrote:They were not illegal; therefore, they were legal.


I asked for a piece of legislation stating that political parties may form paramilitaries. You haven't provided.

The Treorai wrote:Everything is legal until it is said otherwise.


Nope. Everything occupies a legal grey area until stated as legal or not legal.
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Postby Yanalia » Sun May 05, 2013 10:26 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Yanalia wrote:They were not illegal; therefore, they were legal.


I asked for a piece of legislation stating that political parties may form paramilitaries. You haven't provided.

The Treorai wrote:Everything is legal until it is said otherwise.


Nope. Everything occupies a legal grey area until stated as legal or not legal.


There is no such legislation. That fact is also irrelevant to any arguments that have been made so far.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sun May 05, 2013 10:27 pm

Yanalia wrote:There is no such legislation. That fact is also irrelevant to any arguments that have been made so far.


If there is no legislation, then there is nothing stipulating the legality of said paramilitaries. And the Internal Security Act will rectify that mistake.
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Postby Yanalia » Sun May 05, 2013 10:29 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Yanalia wrote:There is no such legislation. That fact is also irrelevant to any arguments that have been made so far.


If there is no legislation, then there is nothing stipulating the legality of said paramilitaries. And the Internal Security Act will rectify that mistake.


Yes, and rightfully so. But people who are currently in paramilitaries have done nothing illegal so far. If they are willing to renounce their membership openly and immediately upon passage of the bill, they should be allowed to keep their private small arms.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sun May 05, 2013 10:31 pm

Yanalia wrote:Yes, and rightfully so. But people who are currently in paramilitaries have done nothing illegal so far. If they are willing to renounce their membership openly and immediately upon passage of the bill, they should be allowed to keep their private small arms.


They should. But they are not.

Take it up with Wolfmanne if you feel like it's an affront to your personal beliefs.
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Postby Yanalia » Sun May 05, 2013 10:32 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Yanalia wrote:Yes, and rightfully so. But people who are currently in paramilitaries have done nothing illegal so far. If they are willing to renounce their membership openly and immediately upon passage of the bill, they should be allowed to keep their private small arms.


They should. But they are not.

Take it up with Wolfmanne if you feel like it's an affront to your personal beliefs.


Thank you for the suggestion, Senator. I will TG him now.
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Postby CTALNH » Mon May 06, 2013 1:46 am

Costa Alegria wrote:Also for your consideration, senators:

Internal Security Bill (2013)
Co-drafted by: Costa Alegria and Wolfmanne || Urgency: High
Co-sponsors: Progressive-Conservative Party(?), Britcan (TR, possible)

Preamble


The security of our nation is a top priority for the government and the Senate. Election to the Senate gives you the responsibility to ensure that you can hold the government to account in ensuring the safety and security of our people. However, it is not the responsibility of individual political parties to act as the judge, jury and executioner, for only multiple political parties and not just one can hold the government to account. Furthermore, we recognise that whether you support or oppose the Right to Bear Arms, in a time such as this, we need to reach a compromise until specific firearms legislation promoting or restricting the ownership of guns. In order to further the government's ability to ensure the security of this nation, we see the need for the creation of a government organisation to do just that, as evidenced by the 1st Festival of Republic, where armed right-wing paramilitaries are attempting to agitate left-wing paramilitaries into destabilising the nation.

Article 1: On Paramilitaries
1a: All paramilitaries, with the exception of those under the auspices of government agencies, are to be formally disbanded, including those under political parties and those otherwise independent from them, such as vigilante groups or citizen militias.
1b: All paramilitaries are to surrender their arms, munitions and vehicles with mounted weaponry that may have the potential of causing lethal harm to others to the Ministry of Justice, who shall issue disarmament warrants to law enforcement agencies.
1c: Paramilitaries that fail to disarm or be disbanded are to be designated as terrorist organisations. If they are under the auspices of a parent organisation, such as a political party, then they are to dissuade links from that paramilitary or they to shall be considered a terrorist organisation.
1d: The creation of new paramilitaries, vigilante groups and citizen militias is banned and all new paramilitaries are to be recognised as terrorist organisations. Any organisations, such as political parties, that endorse new paramilitaries, vigilante groups and citizen militias are also to be designated as terrorist organisations.
1e: Paramilitaries or individual members who fail to disarm may be arrested and trialed on the charges of refusal to disarm, illegal promotion of paramilitary activities and terrorism.

Article 2: The Gendarmerie
1a: In light of potential civil war and for use in a time of a national or regional emergency the Aurentinian Gendarmerie is to be established under the auspices of the Ministry of the Interior.
1b: The Aurentinian Gendarmerie is shall provide security of public institutions, ministries and courts, embassies and consulates international airports, national museums, nuclear power plants, riots & crowds control, publicly crowded events and our national borders.
1c: The Aurentinian Gendarmerie shall conduct high risk arrests, disaster response, SWAT operations, the suppression of internal armed conflicts and riots, the policing of areas without a sufficient amount of civilian police, to support local constabularies and counter-terrorism operations.
1d: The Gendarmerie shall be organised into a series of Brigades consisting of a number of Regiments from different regions.
1e: In times of war, the Gendarmerie or individual Brigades and Regiments may be drafted by the National Defense Force to provide rear security, police the military and for national defense against external threats, based upon the threat to national security this war may have. Gendarmes are to be considered a part of the military and not civilians, however whilst the Aurentinian Gendarmerie is considered to be a military organisation, it does not come under the National Defense Force but the Ministry of the Interior, unless they have been drafted.
1f: Gendarmes shall have policing powers as established by the Policing and Law Enforcement Act.


Article 3: Terrorist Organisations
3a: A terrorist organisation shall be defined as an armed paramilitary, vigilante or citizen militias that have refused to be disarmed in accordance with the paramilitary ban in Articles 1a.
3b: Herein also extends the definition of terrorist organisations as groups that act in a violent manner towards the state and its citizens and those that commit acts of violence against the state and its citizens for the advancement of an agenda.

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Postby Costa Alegria » Mon May 06, 2013 2:23 am

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Costa Alegria wrote:Also for your consideration, senators:

Internal Security Bill (2013)
Co-drafted by: Costa Alegria and Wolfmanne || Urgency: High
Co-sponsors: Progressive-Conservative Party(?), Britcan (TR, possible)

Preamble


The security of our nation is a top priority for the government and the Senate. Election to the Senate gives you the responsibility to ensure that you can hold the government to account in ensuring the safety and security of our people. However, it is not the responsibility of individual political parties to act as the judge, jury and executioner, for only multiple political parties and not just one can hold the government to account. Furthermore, we recognise that whether you support or oppose the Right to Bear Arms, in a time such as this, we need to reach a compromise until specific firearms legislation promoting or restricting the ownership of guns. In order to further the government's ability to ensure the security of this nation, we see the need for the creation of a government organisation to do just that, as evidenced by the 1st Festival of Republic, where armed right-wing paramilitaries are attempting to agitate left-wing paramilitaries into destabilising the nation.

Article 1: On Paramilitaries
1a: All paramilitaries, with the exception of those under the auspices of government agencies, are to be formally disbanded, including those under political parties and those otherwise independent from them, such as vigilante groups or citizen militias.
1b: All paramilitaries are to surrender their arms, munitions and vehicles with mounted weaponry that may have the potential of causing lethal harm to others to the Ministry of Justice, who shall issue disarmament warrants to law enforcement agencies.
1c: Paramilitaries that fail to disarm or be disbanded are to be designated as terrorist organisations. If they are under the auspices of a parent organisation, such as a political party, then they are to dissuade links from that paramilitary or they to shall be considered a terrorist organisation.
1d: The creation of new paramilitaries, vigilante groups and citizen militias is banned and all new paramilitaries are to be recognised as terrorist organisations. Any organisations, such as political parties, that endorse new paramilitaries, vigilante groups and citizen militias are also to be designated as terrorist organisations.
1e: Paramilitaries or individual members who fail to disarm may be arrested and trialed on the charges of refusal to disarm, illegal promotion of paramilitary activities and terrorism.

Article 2: The Gendarmerie
1a: In light of potential civil war and for use in a time of a national or regional emergency the Aurentinian Gendarmerie is to be established under the auspices of the Ministry of the Interior.
1b: The Aurentinian Gendarmerie is shall provide security of public institutions, ministries and courts, embassies and consulates international airports, national museums, nuclear power plants, riots & crowds control, publicly crowded events and our national borders.
1c: The Aurentinian Gendarmerie shall conduct high risk arrests, disaster response, SWAT operations, the suppression of internal armed conflicts and riots, the policing of areas without a sufficient amount of civilian police, to support local constabularies and counter-terrorism operations.
1d: The Gendarmerie shall be organised into a series of Brigades consisting of a number of Regiments from different regions.
1e: In times of war, the Gendarmerie or individual Brigades and Regiments may be drafted by the National Defense Force to provide rear security, police the military and for national defense against external threats, based upon the threat to national security this war may have. Gendarmes are to be considered a part of the military and not civilians, however whilst the Aurentinian Gendarmerie is considered to be a military organisation, it does not come under the National Defense Force but the Ministry of the Interior, unless they have been drafted.
1f: Gendarmes shall have policing powers as established by the Policing and Law Enforcement Act.


Article 3: Terrorist Organisations
3a: A terrorist organisation shall be defined as an armed paramilitary, vigilante or citizen militias that have refused to be disarmed in accordance with the paramilitary ban in Articles 1a.
3b: Herein also extends the definition of terrorist organisations as groups that act in a violent manner towards the state and its citizens and those that commit acts of violence against the state and its citizens for the advancement of an agenda.

Against.


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Postby Glasgia » Mon May 06, 2013 2:25 am

Costa Alegria wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Against.


I thought you liked being a wannabe dictator?


And he can't be a dictator without his NKVD PPF
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Postby Wolfmanne » Mon May 06, 2013 3:03 am

Greater Pokarnia wrote:
Public Education Act


Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsored by:

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 9,990 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.
9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school.
10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.
11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.
12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 12 grade levels.
13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.
13. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.
15. There shall be 4 days in the school week, each comprising of 6 and 3/4 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess doesn't count towards this number of hours. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.
19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.


Needs feedback and co-sponsors.

Here are my criticisms:

1. Provides too many provisions to homeschooling. Homeschooling should be strictly regulated in my opinion, although that can be covered by other legislation.
2. This minimum curriculum should be specified for different years. I suggest that it is based upon the British system, with the addition of Classical languages from 'Key Stage 3' and in Key Stage 4 a choice between non-language based Classics or to continue to study Classical languages. Cut out the Citizenship and the Welsh (we don't have our own version of Wales :P). Other good systems include the French or German system.
3. Use the British system. It is the most efficient system of education in the world, used by many countries around the world. Grade Advancement Tests will be like SATs, except that they're every year. Any British student will tell you that SATs are very stressful. A few years ago, there was a boycott, which my school was involved in (my school only boycotted Science though, we had to do English and Maths, however the majority boycotted all three). It'll put a lot of pressure on teachers and students to ensure that the students pass the test, however this will mean that their learning will be affected. Instead, just have SATs in Year 2 and Year 6, whilst from Year 10-11 students do GCSEs and from Year 12-13 student do A Levels.
4. 4 days in a school week and the hours involved are way too long. In terms of lesson time, we have 300 minutes a day for 5 days, excluding form time, break or lunch. An additional 1 hour and a half, especially after we're all tired out, is simply unnecessary. Have 5 days a week, with 300 minutes of lesson time per day. With your system, school, including break, lunch and an extra break due to the addition lesson time, would end at approximately 5:00, which is especially dangerous in winter times where it gets dark. It will also prevent extra-curricular activities being conducted as it'll be too dark or the teachers will be worn out.
5. It doesn't specify if school is compulsory up to to the age of 16 or 18.
6. It fails to specify what system of public education we are using. I suggest that it specifies that it's a Comprehensive school system (all schools are nonselective and all-ability) with provisions for streaming or setting, meaning that students are separated into classes based upon ability, therefore meaning that Senators can draft legislation on which system they prefer (for instance, that guy who wanted vocational schools, whilst I want grammar schools and academies), whilst pupil learning is not affected.

I can't bring myself to support this bill, but neither can I Oppose it. I will most likely Abstain from the voting.

EDIT: This shows how efficient the British system is, as we're ranked Sixth. Hong Kong and Singapore use a variant of the British system, therefore essentially making it the best in the world. And this isn't me being a nationalist either, my cousins in Malta are or have been taught with the British system and they've come out well.
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Postby Great Nepal » Mon May 06, 2013 3:13 am

Greater Pokarnia wrote:
Public Education Act


Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsored by:

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 9,990 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.
9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school.
10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.
11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.
12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 12 grade levels.
13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.
13. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.
15. There shall be 4 days in the school week, each comprising of 6 and 3/4 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess doesn't count towards this number of hours. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.
19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.


Needs feedback and co-sponsors.

Opposed.
I would prefer private schools with provisions for vouchers but I could bring myself to support public schools but here, number of school days are too low, school starts at stupid month, have stupid grade levels, exam system is stupid etc.
To expand on this:-
School days should be 6 days: Sunday to Friday although Monday to Friday would be acceptable.
School year should start in January, there is no justification for starting it in middle of the year.
School should end at year 10, then they go on to two years of college (sixth form kinda thing) and then they go to university. Only school should be public, if it is to be public at all.
Exams results should be given by percentage and should be given every year. At end of year 10, there should be nation wide exam like GCSE.
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Postby Great Nepal » Mon May 06, 2013 3:25 am

Wolfmanne wrote:EDIT: This shows how efficient the British system is, as we're ranked Sixth. Hong Kong and Singapore use a variant of the British system, therefore essentially making it the best in the world. And this isn't me being a nationalist either, my cousins in Malta are or have been taught with the British system and they've come out well.

That is misleading, on average British education system is 21st. Chinese would be better.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Mon May 06, 2013 3:31 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:EDIT: This shows how efficient the British system is, as we're ranked Sixth. Hong Kong and Singapore use a variant of the British system, therefore essentially making it the best in the world. And this isn't me being a nationalist either, my cousins in Malta are or have been taught with the British system and they've come out well.

That is misleading, on average British education system is 21st. Chinese would be better.

Yeah, I heard that when Michael Gove visited China, apparently the students were already contributing to scientific journals. Gove at first thought it was the teachers and when he was told it was the students, he was so shocked. I found it weird that China wasn't ranked very high. However, many school systems, such as Singapore's and Hong Kong's, are based on the British system.
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Postby CTALNH » Mon May 06, 2013 3:31 am

Glasgia wrote:
Costa Alegria wrote:
I thought you liked being a wannabe dictator?


And he can't be a dictator without his NKVD PPF

I don't want to be dictator.

Me and USLP want to establish a Federal Socialist Republic.
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Postby Great Nepal » Mon May 06, 2013 3:33 am

Wolfmanne wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:That is misleading, on average British education system is 21st. Chinese would be better.

Yeah, I heard that when Michael Gove visited China, apparently the students were already contributing to scientific journals. Gove at first thought it was the teachers and when he was told it was the students, he was so shocked. I found it weird that China wasn't ranked very high. However, many school systems, such as Singapore's and Hong Kong's, are based on the British system.

China is on the top (in form of Shanghai and Hong Kong), and I am not sure if Hong Kong's system is based on British, then its all good.
Lets go for Shanghaian system, its on the top.
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Postby Agritum » Mon May 06, 2013 3:58 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Yeah, I heard that when Michael Gove visited China, apparently the students were already contributing to scientific journals. Gove at first thought it was the teachers and when he was told it was the students, he was so shocked. I found it weird that China wasn't ranked very high. However, many school systems, such as Singapore's and Hong Kong's, are based on the British system.

China is on the top (in form of Shanghai and Hong Kong), and I am not sure if Hong Kong's system is based on British, then its all good.
Lets go for Shanghaian system, its on the top.

Just remove the parts about instilling loyalty to the ruling party, and it's quite fine.

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