NSG Senate Coffee Shop [NSG Senate]

[Soviet Canuckistan]

For the education bill, I believe there should 4 days in the school week, each comprising of 6 and 3/4 hours of instruction. Lunch and recess doesn't count towards this number of hours. With 37 weeks of school, which gives room for a 12-week summer vacation, a 2 week winter vacation and a 1 week spring break, it gives 999 hours of instruction per school year.

The OCD part of me just twitched a little.

Really though, it sounds interesting and well thought out.

How did it make you twitch?

[Costa Alegria]

You can enroll in schools at 5. It says you can't once you reach age 8, unless it's a private or home school. I made clear in the bill that the age limit only applies to public schools- tertiary education will remain in the private sector (for now). I'll consider changing the school week to 5 days.

Please do. For the sake of the students. As for clause 18, perhaps that should apply to tertiary providers only or perhaps change it so that districts can fund scholarships for district-specific things (like how my local polytechnical institute has courses on horticulture and viticulture due to the prolific vineyards and fruit orchards here).

[The Realm of God]

Sounds very Americanised I hope we are not using a 'credit' based system?

[Maklohi Vai]

The OCD part of me just twitched a little.

Really though, it sounds interesting and well thought out.

How did it make you twitch?

It's 999 hours of instruction. But never mind that, I think it's a very good plan.

[Costa Alegria]

Sounds very Americanised I hope we are not using a 'credit' based system?

The school days are very European though.

[Greater Pokarnia]

Public Education Act

Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsored by:

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 9,990 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.
9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school.
10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.
11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.
12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 12 grade levels.
13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.
13. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.
15. There shall be 4 days in the school week, each comprising of 6 and 3/4 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess doesn't count towards this number of hours. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.
19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.

Needs feedback and co-sponsors.

[Costa Alegria]

Public Education Act

Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsored by:

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 9,990 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.
9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school.
10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.
11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.
12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 12 grade levels.
13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.
13. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.
15. There shall be 4 days in the school week, each comprising of 6 and 3/4 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess doesn't count towards this number of hours. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.
19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.

Needs feedback and co-sponsors.

Flick it to five days and you can add me as a co-sponsor.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

How did it make you twitch?

It's 999 hours of instruction. But never mind that, I think it's a very good plan.

I never actually meant it to be 999

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Public Education Act

Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsored by:

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 9,990 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.
9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school.
10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.
11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.
12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 12 grade levels.
13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.
13. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.
15. There shall be 4 days in the school week, each comprising of 6 and 3/4 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess doesn't count towards this number of hours. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.
19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.

Needs feedback and co-sponsors.

Flick it to five days and you can add me as a co-sponsor.

Why five days? Four allows the students to have a longer weekend.

[The Realm of God]

Sounds very Americanised I hope we are not using a 'credit' based system?

The school days are very European though.

Not the issue, the issue is that 'credit' based systems are not kind to more vocational students and give an unfair one up to the more academic types.

[Greater Pokarnia]

The school days are very European though.

Not the issue, the issue is that 'credit' based systems are not kind to more vocational students and give an unfair one up to the more academic types.

No mention of credits is made within the bill.

[Costa Alegria]

Why five days? Four allows the students to have a longer weekend.

Five days gives the students a decent weekend and doesn't cut back on the hours of instruction. Six is too much, four is too little in my opinion. And it's only marginally less in length in terms of hours than what I had in New Zealand for example.

[Greater Pokarnia]

Public Education Act

Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsored by: Costa Algeria (PC)

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 13,500 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.
9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school.
10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.
11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.
12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 12 grade levels consisting of at least 1,125 instructional hours each.
13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.
13. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.
15. There shall be 5 days in the school week, each comprising of 6 and 3/4 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess doesn't count towards this number of hours. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.
19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.

Flick it to five days and you can add me as a co-sponsor.

Done and done.

[The Realm of God]

Not the issue, the issue is that 'credit' based systems are not kind to more vocational students and give an unfair one up to the more academic types.

No mention of credits is made within the bill.

Right, so we are going exclusively by end of year tests and not whether Jimmy remembered to hand in his 12 page dissertation. Good, I approve.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Why five days? Four allows the students to have a longer weekend.

Five days gives the students a decent weekend and doesn't cut back on the hours of instruction. Six is too much, four is too little in my opinion. And it's only marginally less in length in terms of hours than what I had in New Zealand for example.

My plan actually includes more hours than many nations.

Source: http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-Menu/Organizing-a-school/Time-in-school-How-does-the-US-compare/Hours-of-Instruction-by-Country.pdf

[Greater Pokarnia]

Five days gives the students a decent weekend and doesn't cut back on the hours of instruction. Six is too much, four is too little in my opinion. And it's only marginally less in length in terms of hours than what I had in New Zealand for example.

My plan actually includes more hours than many nations.

Source: http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-Menu/Organizing-a-school/Time-in-school-How-does-the-US-compare/Hours-of-Instruction-by-Country.pdf

In light of this, I'm considering moving back down to 4 days because with 5 days there would be 1,350 hours a year (unless we changed the hours in day, but I don't want to). On the other hand, having a high-quality educational system isn't exactly a bad thing.


I need feedback on this. And co-sponsors.

[Costa Alegria]

In light of this, I'm considering moving back down to 4 days because with 5 days there would be 1,350 hours a year (unless we changed the hours in day, but I don't want to). On the other hand, having a high-quality educational system isn't exactly a bad thing.


I need feedback on this. And co-sponsors.

What you have currently wouldn't change how many hours per day a student has of instruction.

[Greater Pokarnia]

In light of this, I'm considering moving back down to 4 days because with 5 days there would be 1,350 hours a year (unless we changed the hours in day, but I don't want to). On the other hand, having a high-quality educational system isn't exactly a bad thing.


I need feedback on this. And co-sponsors.

What you have currently wouldn't change how many hours per day a student has of instruction.

It would change the yearly number of hours though to being well beyond the highest in the world.

I think I'll stick with it though. I want a quality education system.

[Costa Alegria]

What you have currently wouldn't change how many hours per day a student has of instruction.

It would change the yearly number of hours though to being well beyond the highest in the world.

I think I'll stick with it though. I want a quality education system.

What do you mean? I had seven hours in a school day.

[Geilinor]

It would change the yearly number of hours though to being well beyond the highest in the world.

I think I'll stick with it though. I want a quality education system.

What do you mean? I had seven hours in a school day.

That's about right. Obviously, not every weekday in a year. I propose 180 school days a year. It would be about slightly more instruction than in most of America.

[Costa Alegria]

What do you mean? I had seven hours in a school day.

That's about right.

The current bill as it stands has six and 3/4 hours. Marginally less per day than what I had.

[Greater Pokarnia]

What do you mean? I had seven hours in a school day.

That's about right. Obviously, not every weekday in a year.

Nevermind, I was thinking of a specific number of weeks in a year which is not specified in the bill.

[Geilinor]

Or 200 days a year for 6 and a half hours a day. That sounds most reasonable to me.

[Costa Alegria]

That's about right. Obviously, not every weekday in a year.

Nevermind, I was thinking of a specific number of weeks in a year which is not specified in the bill.

Speaking of which, would defining how long school terms lasted be part of this bill?

[Greater Pokarnia]

Public Education Act

Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsored by: Costa Algeria (PC)

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 10,500 instructional hours of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for each 1,500 hours of school missed and 3 months of jail for each 1,500 hours of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum. Subdistricts may expand upon this minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of instructional by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of instructional hours from that home school.
9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school.
10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.
11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.
12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 10 grade levels comprised of at least 1,050 instructional hours.
13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.
13. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.
15. There shall be 5 days in the school week, each comprising of 7 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess don't count towards this number of hours. Schools must have at least 30 school weeks per year. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.
19. Subdistricts may enforce their own restrictions on private or home schools.

Fixed some errors.