NSG Senate Coffee Shop [NSG Senate]

[Trotskylvania]

Nope, not letting you get away with this.

Both Rand and you do not understand the myth of Atlas. Atlas was punished for his dickery by being forced to hold the cosmos on his shoulder. Not the earth, but the infinite, everlasting sky. He was punished with this duty for supporting the Titan Cronus in the Titanomachy. If he shrugs, he gets crushed by the sky. End of story.

Atlas' only reprieve came when someone else would hold the sky for him. Hence, one of the labors of Hercules...

Also, quite typically you show a total lack of any understanding of any political ideology outside of your narrow absolutism. There are differing conceptions of freedom, and you don't hold a monopoly on the belief in freedom.

Freedom is defined as being able to do what is wanted without restrictions, or lacking authority or foreign dominance. Dictionary defined.

No it is not. Under that definition of freedom, it is an act of "freedom" to oppress or enslave others. Your definition is a self-defeating one, and it's why everyone but the most absolutist of libertarian fanatics reject that conception of freedom.

[Luziyca]

Okay, I am out of the USLP, and into the WPA.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Aurentina is the name of the country??

[Shrillland]

Aurentina is the name of the country??

There is no official name as of yet, but it does seem to be the unofficial name.

[North-West Molovsky]

Firearms Act (2013)
Urgency: Moderate

Drafted by: Britcan [TR]
Sponsored by: Ceannairceach [TR], Polvia [RG]

I) The private ownership of all fully automatic and burst-fire weapons, any firearm with a magazine capable of holding more than seven rounds, any firearms disguised as another item, rockets and mortars, any weapon designed or adapted for the discharge of noxious gases, fluids or other substance and any firearms that previously fell into a prohibited category but have since been converted is hereby banned.

II) The ownership of explosive, incendiary, noxious (biological, chemical) and armour piercing ammunition types by civilians is hereby banned.

III) The possession, provided the owner has a valid Firearms Ownership Certificate (henceforth known as a FOC), for each weapon, of all other types of firearm and their ammunition is permitted. All firearms must be kept in a secure storage unit on the property of the owner.

IV) In order to acquire a FOC, which shall be issued by the police, the owner must; be over 18 years of age, have no criminal record, be able to convince the police that they have a good reason for owning the weapon if the case manager requests them to do so, have no record of serious mental health issues, be able to provide the police with a valid form of identification, give the police two referees of good character who may be interviewed by the police at the discretion of the case manager, have the storage unit where the weapon will be kept inspected and deemed sufficiently secure by the police, go through an interview with a police officer if the case manager deems it necessary and submit to a thorough background check. Case managers are encouraged to go through as many steps as are necessary to confirm beyond reasonable doubt that the owner will not be a threat to others. Only when all these steps have been satisfactorily completed will a license be issued, which must be renewed every 5 years.

V) Good reason may include, but is not limited to, target shooting, hunting, self defence and the collection of historic and black-powder weapons, but not participation in a paramilitary. If the reason for owning the weapon is self defence the weapon must be kept inside the home of the owner at all times. Case managers are encouraged to evaluate if the reason for ownership justifies the gun they intend to purchase.

VI) The penalty for the possession of a firearm without a certificate is a maximum of fifteen years in prison and an unlimited fine. The penalty for removing a firearm intended for self defence from the home is the confiscation of all the owners weapons, the revocation of their FOCs and a fine of up to 10,000NSD.

VII) The ownership of air pistols with a muzzle energy of under 8J and air rifles of energy under 16J without a licence for any person over the age of 16 is permitted and a person under 16 years of age may use an airgun while under the supervision of an adult. Weapons of higher energy are considered firearms and must be licensed as such. If a person is convicted of engaging in a crime while in possession of an airgun of any power they are to be considered armed, regardless of wether it was loaded or if they intended to use it.

VIII) The ownership of airsoft or other soft air guns firing plastic BBs without a licence provided the muzzle of the gun is painted a bright orange is permitted. However, they cannot be sold to persons under the age of 16 although persons under the age of 16 are permitted to use them while under supervision by an adult. In order to own a realistically painted soft air or other plastic BB gun a person must be at least 16 years of age, have a valid reason for wanting to own one (i.e. for airsoft skirmishing or re-enacting) and be a regular at an insured airsoft site.

Support.

Strongly against.

[Costa Alegria]

The National Imperialist-Freedom Party opposes this Firearms Act, and will refuse to disarm the PSF in the event it passes.

Will the PSF resist the state police?

Probably. The Gendarmerie on the other hand...

I support the firearms bill and you may add me as a co-sponsor if you wish.

[Irredento]

According to legislation, yes.

Then they will have a fight. This is nothing but an attempt by the leftist parties to disarm not only the PSF, but the Monarchist and the Stalinist, and at the cost of the personal liberties of the People.

The RG will fight alongside the PSF in order to defend our arms.

[Greater Pokarnia]

I endorse this and would like to be listed as a sponsor.

National subdivisions act
Author: Diopolis
Cosponsors: Greater Pokarnia, Irredento
Recognizing the need for some sort of national subdivision system, the government of Aurentine hereby establishes electoral districts as national subdivisions to be run by their senators.
1. The governments of the individual districts are to be established by the senators representing said districts.
A. The governments of said districts may pass any law that does not contradict the laws of the national government of Aurentine
B. The governments of said districts must enforce both national and district laws, however national police forces may also enforce national law
2. The governments of individual districts shall remain subjurisdictions of the nation of Aurentine
A. The governments of the individual districts are responsible for collecting the taxes owed to the national government, however the national government may monitor/audit collection of taxes
B. The governments of the individual districts shall not block or restrict access to any services or information provided by the national government
C. In any area in which districts are held to be responsible, districts must pass a law addressing the issue within one week
D. District governments are responsible for regulating what types of firearms may be bought, sold, or possessed in their territory, as long as it is in accordance with clause 1A
E. No district shall declare war on any other district or foreign power, nor shall districts negotiate directly with foreign nations
F. No district shall secede or declare any degree of autonomy from Aurentine unless approved by the senate and 2/3 of the district's populace
G.The governments of districts may not prohibit the free flow of people, information, or goods across their borders

If you still endorse it, you may wish to fifth the motion that it be put in queue for voting.

Fifthing the motion, it can go in queue now.

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As for the firearms act, I'm going to abstain from it should it come to a vote. I support gun control but I don't believe this is the proper way to go about it.

[Greater Pokarnia]

Very rough draft, please criticize/make suggestions so it may be improved.

Public Education Act

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 8 years of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of educational years by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of educational years from that home school.

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Fire away.

[Costa Alegria]

Any minimum and maximum ages for when students may attend school and when they are able to leave?

[The Realm of God]

Very rough draft, please criticize/make suggestions so it may be improved.

Public Education Act

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 8 years of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of educational years by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of educational years from that home school.

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Fire away.

Your good, you have avoided such unnecessary organisations such as School Boards in favour of centralised education. I would add something about standardised tests, finance and the structure of the schooling system (primary, secondary, tertiary?) and then your golden.

[Yanalia]

Very rough draft, please criticize/make suggestions so it may be improved.

Public Education Act

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 8 years of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of educational years by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of educational years from that home school.

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Fire away.

10 years of minimum education, I think.

[Diopolis]

Very rough draft, please criticize/make suggestions so it may be improved.

Public Education Act

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 8 years of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of educational years by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of educational years from that home school.

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Fire away.

6. Does this apply to factually incorrect things like physics classes focused around teaching timecube or biology books that teach that blacks are inferior(not using real world examples because of the inevitable shitstorm it would create)? If so, could you add a clause specifically allowing national subdivisions to establish lists of things that may not be taught by any schools?

[Aquitayne]

Public Education Act

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 8 years of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of educational years by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of educational years from that home school.
9. The access to computers and online educational resources will not be infringed by any private school or homeschooling.
10. All students from ages 5-18 enrolled in Public Schools will take a national standardized test comprising of:
2 days Science
2 days Math
2 days English
11. Hereby creates a nationalized standard weekly schooling schedule comprising of six seven-and-a-half hour days, that of which being: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
12. Hereby allows days off for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance.
13. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August.

Just some random things I added - rip it apart if you like.

[Costa Alegria]

6. Does this apply to factually incorrect things like physics classes focused around teaching timecube or biology books that teach that blacks are inferior(not using real world examples because of the inevitable shitstorm it would create)? If so, could you add a clause specifically allowing national subdivisions to establish lists of things that may not be taught by any schools?

I would also like to see a brief outline of what kind of subjects students are to be taught as part of the minimum curriculum.

[Yanalia]

6. Does this apply to factually incorrect things like physics classes focused around teaching timecube or biology books that teach that blacks are inferior(not using real world examples because of the inevitable shitstorm it would create)? If so, could you add a clause specifically allowing national subdivisions to establish lists of things that may not be taught by any schools?

I would also like to see a brief outline of what kind of subjects students are to be taught as part of the minimum curriculum.

I believe the bill leaves that to the Ministry of Education, not the Senate.

[Zweite Alaje]

Very rough draft, please criticize/make suggestions so it may be improved.

Public Education Act

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 8 years of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of educational years by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of educational years from that home school.

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Fire away.

10 years of minimum education, I think.

Took the words right outta my mouth!!!

I like this bill, looks good!

[Costa Alegria]

I believe the bill leaves that to the Ministry of Education, not the Senate.

I just want to see what the draftee had in mind, that's all.

[Greater Pokarnia]

Public Education Act

Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsored by:

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 10 years of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of educational years by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of educational years from that home school.
9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school.
10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.
11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.
12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 12 grade levels.
13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.
13. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.
15. Hereby creates a nationalized standard weekly schooling schedule comprising of six seven-and-a-half hour days, that of which being: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. This shall only be enforced by public schools.
16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.

Updated. I still need more feedback.

[Diopolis]

Public Education Act

Proposed by: Greater Pokarnia (C)
Co-sponsored by:

1. A public educational system will be formed under the supervision of the Ministry of Education, which will provide free enrollment to people between the age of 5-18.
2. It will mandatory for children to attend at least 10 years of school, be it at either public, private, or home school. Parents who knowingly prevent their children from meeting this requirement may be subject to fines of up to $10,000 for reach year of school missed and 3 months of jail for each year of school missed.
3. Private schools and home schools must register with the Ministry of Education.
4. Public schools will be funded by the state, and it's employees are to be considered state employees.
5. The Ministry of Education shall be in charge of deciding the curriculum of all public schools.
6. A minimum curriculum shall be drafted by the Ministry of Education for private schools and home schools. Private schools and home schools may teach whatever they want so long as they teach the minimum curriculum.
7. The Ministry of Education shall monitor private schools to ensure they are teaching the minimum curriculum. If they fail to do so they will lose recognition by the Ministry of Education and students may not meet their mandatory number of educational years by attending that school.
8. Employees of the Ministry of Education shall administer tests to home-schooled children every 3 months to ensure that they are being taught the minimum curriculum sufficiently. If they fail to pass these tests the home school will lose recognition from the Ministry of Education and student may not meet their mandatory number of educational years from that home school.
9. Nobody above the age of 20 may attend a public school.
10. Students attending public schools must enroll with the public education system before age 8.
11. No age restrictions are to be placed by the state onto private or home schools.
12. All recognized schools, be they public, private, or home schools, shall have 12 grade levels.
13. The Ministry of Education shall administer a Grade Advancement Test (GAT) at all recognized schools based on the minimum curriculum, which a student must pass before advancing to the next grade level.
13. The Ministry of Education shall provide funding to to public schools as they see fit, but there may never be larger than a 15% funding gap per student enrolled at public schools.
15. Hereby creates a nationalized standard weekly schooling schedule comprising of six seven-and-a-half hour days, that of which being: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. This shall only be enforced by public schools.
16. Hereby allows students to avoid attending school for national and religious holidays that will not be counted against a students attendance. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
17. Hereby places a 3 month interval between schooling years to occur at the beginning of June, to carry through the end of August. This shall only be enforced at public schools.
18. Subdistricts may enforce their own educational standards so long as they do not conflict with the national standards and the minimum curriculum is still taught.

Updated. I still need more feedback.

Add something to clause six allowing districts to require additional materials in the curriculum and/or forbid things not in the national curriculum to be taught.

[Costa Alegria]

I still have some issues with the age requirements. I think that five years old should be the age from which it's legal to enroll in schools, not to mention the maximum age is a bit...unclear. Does it apply to tertiary education providers, many of whom have students there who are aged 20 and above? And I also have a slight issue with the school week. Six days? Really? Don't you think that would be a work overload on the students?

[Soviet Canuckistan]

For the education bill, I believe there should 4 days in the school week, each comprising of 6 and 3/4 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess doesn't count towards this number of hours. With 37 weeks of school, which gives room for a 12-week summer vacation, a 2 week winter vacation and a 1 week spring break, it gives 999 hours of instruction per school year.

[Maklohi Vai]

For the education bill, I believe there should 4 days in the school week, each comprising of 6 and 3/4 hours of instruction. Lunch and recess doesn't count towards this number of hours. With 37 weeks of school, which gives room for a 12-week summer vacation, a 2 week winter vacation and a 1 week spring break, it gives 999 hours of instruction per school year.

The OCD part of me just twitched a little.

Really though, it sounds interesting and well thought out.

[Greater Pokarnia]

Add something to clause six allowing districts to require additional materials in the curriculum and/or forbid things not in the national curriculum to be taught.

That's covered by clause 18.

I still have some issues with the age requirements. I think that five years old should be the age from which it's legal to enroll in schools, not to mention the maximum age is a bit...unclear. Does it apply to tertiary education providers, many of whom have students there who are aged 20 and above? And I also have a slight issue with the school week. Six days? Really? Don't you think that would be a work overload on the students?

You can enroll in schools at 5. It says you can't once you reach age 8, unless it's a private or home school. I made clear in the bill that the age limit only applies to public schools- tertiary education will remain in the private sector (for now). I'll consider changing the school week to 5 days.

[Greater Pokarnia]

For the education bill, I believe there should 4 days in the school week, each comprising of 6 and 3/4 hours of instruction per day. Lunch and recess doesn't count towards this number of hours. With 37 weeks of school, which gives room for a 12-week summer vacation, a 2 week winter vacation and a 1 week spring break, it gives 999 hours of instruction per school year.

This is an excellent idea. I'll also probably change the mandatory number of years of school attendance to a number of instructional hours, since private schools may jam more instructional hours into each day/week/month/year.