NSG Senate Lobby [NSG Senate]

[Great Nepal]

Yea, we do that in coffee shop before being submitted to senate chambers.

There is a reason we have a time for debate in the Senate.

Yes, but as it was pointed out, if we dont do something, we will never get through current list of bills. Number of bills is growing by 3 bills every 12 hours and we are passing 0.25 bills in that time period.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Guys, if we pass the gun bill as it is, we are facing a potential war over disarmament of the paramilitaries and the mass violations of the rights of citizens being forced to have their homes forcibly searched to confiscate guns. That is something I do not wish to see, particularly the latter.

So the Senate gives in to the threats of the paramilitaries and avoid democratical process on the voting of the bill?

I'm not making the threats. I'm saying we didn't consider anyone else's viewpoints and ignored opposition.

[Aeken]

Suspend the gun bill until further notice.

[Agritum]

So the Senate gives in to the threats of the paramilitaries and avoid democratical process on the voting of the bill?

I'm not making the threats. I'm saying we didn't consider anyone else's viewpoints and ignored opposition.

The opposition can vote against it in the Chamber. Blocking the queue at the order of a select group is undemocratical.

[Polvia]

I'm not making the threats. I'm saying we didn't consider anyone else's viewpoints and ignored opposition.

The opposition can vote against it in the Chamber. Blocking the queue at the order of a select group is undemocratical.

^This

[Yanalia]

The opposition can vote against it in the Chamber. Blocking the queue at the order of a select group is undemocratical.

^This

As a member of the opposition, I wholly agree.

[Aeken]

So the Senate gives in to the threats of the paramilitaries and avoid democratical process on the voting of the bill?

I'm not making the threats. I'm saying we didn't consider anyone else's viewpoints and ignored opposition.

I think he was talking about NI's paramilitary response.

[New Freedomstan]

There is a reason we have a time for debate in the Senate.

Yes, but as it was pointed out, if we dont do something, we will never get through current list of bills. Number of bills is growing by 3 bills every 12 hours and we are passing 0.25 bills in that time period.

I suggest we shorten debate and voting to 24 hours each instead, and put additional limits for putting a bill in the queue. Possibly the backing of 10 other senators from at least 2 or 3 parties?

[The Republic of Lanos]

I'm not making the threats. I'm saying we didn't consider anyone else's viewpoints and ignored opposition.

I think he was talking about NI's paramilitary response.

Sadly, I was. And the massive rights violations of the people.

[Great Nepal]

Yes, but as it was pointed out, if we dont do something, we will never get through current list of bills. Number of bills is growing by 3 bills every 12 hours and we are passing 0.25 bills in that time period.

I suggest we shorten debate and voting to 24 hours each instead,

That means, excluding debate time we will be passing 0.5 bills when the pace should be 3 bills. Plus it means, bills can be pushed through by starting voting in specific times.

and put additional limits for putting a bill in the queue. Possibly the backing of 10 other senators from at least 2 or 3 parties?

I would support backing of 10 senators but, assuming it reduces bills by half, we will still be off our target.

[Ziegenhain]

I'm not making the threats. I'm saying we didn't consider anyone else's viewpoints and ignored opposition.

The opposition can vote against it in the Chamber. Blocking the queue at the order of a select group is undemocratical.

Or we could have actually spent the time to draft a bill that had support from a majority of the parties. Instead a select few drafted up a rather draconian gun restriction bill and sent it along to the queue.

[Hathradic States]

Guys, if we pass the gun bill as it is, we are facing a potential war over disarmament of the paramilitaries and the mass violations of the rights of citizens being forced to have their homes forcibly searched to confiscate guns. That is something I do not wish to see, particularly the latter.

So the Senate gives in to the threats of the paramilitaries and avoid democratical process on the voting of the bill?

Designing a bill so that it attacks certain parties, as well as attacks the rights of citizens is a slap in the face of democracy.

[Polvia]

Yes, but as it was pointed out, if we dont do something, we will never get through current list of bills. Number of bills is growing by 3 bills every 12 hours and we are passing 0.25 bills in that time period.

I suggest we shorten debate and voting to 24 hours each instead, and put additional limits for putting a bill in the queue. Possibly the backing of 10 other senators from at least 2 or 3 parties?

I'm opposed to this, but I do agree that something needs to be done. How about having a separate debate thread for debating legislation, so it can go directly to vote on the Senate floor, and we can vote continuously. I think lower time frames should be considered, but I can definitely understand how 48 hours can be considered reasonable.

[Agritum]

So the Senate gives in to the threats of the paramilitaries and avoid democratical process on the voting of the bill?

Designing a bill so that it attacks certain parties, as well as attacks the rights of citizens is a slap in the face of democracy.

So is preventing a bill to be democratically voted on using threats against e establishment instead of opposing it in the chamber.

[Mishmahig]

So the Senate gives in to the threats of the paramilitaries and avoid democratical process on the voting of the bill?

Designing a bill so that it attacks certain parties, as well as attacks the rights of citizens is a slap in the face of democracy.

Having a paramilitary that threatens to usurp the democratic will of the people through force of arms is also a slap in the face of democracy, Senator.

[Great Nepal]

I suggest we shorten debate and voting to 24 hours each instead, and put additional limits for putting a bill in the queue. Possibly the backing of 10 other senators from at least 2 or 3 parties?

I'm opposed to this, but I do agree that something needs to be done. How about having a separate debate thread for debating legislation, so it can go directly to vote on the Senate floor, and we can vote continuously.

We have thread to debate: coffee shop.
So, using emergency legislation, we can suspend debates in chambers and simultaneously vote at all bills at once.

I think lower time frames should be considered, but I can definitely understand how 48 hours can be considered reasonable.

We cant go lower than 48 hours. It gives everyone two opportunity to vote.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Putting the paramilitaries aside, has anyone ever given any consideration to the populace or am I smoking a fat pound of grass on the issue?

[Hathradic States]

Designing a bill so that it attacks certain parties, as well as attacks the rights of citizens is a slap in the face of democracy.

Having a paramilitary that threatens to usurp the democratic will of the people through force of arms is also a slap in the face of democracy, Senator.

Democratic will my ass. It was a hastily made bill, which was proposed and put into queue without letting the opposition say shit. What the National Imperialist-Freedom Party has done has been done in the defense of democracy.

[Hathradic States]

Putting the paramilitaries aside, has anyone ever given any consideration to the populace or am I smoking a fat pound of grass on the issue?

That is my first concern. This bill would violate not only the God given right to self defense, but the right to have your home be safe from unwarranted searches.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

What about making omnibus bills that combine multiple laws into one bill?

[Yanalia]

Having a paramilitary that threatens to usurp the democratic will of the people through force of arms is also a slap in the face of democracy, Senator.

Democratic will my ass. It was a hastily made bill, which was proposed and put into queue without letting the opposition say shit. What the National Imperialist-Freedom Party has done has been done in the defense of democracy.

The bill has only been placed in the queue, Senator. Let us use the democratic process when the time arises to change the bill into a suitable legislation or vote it down if that is not possible.

[Great Nepal]

What about making omnibus bills that combine multiple laws into one bill?

What if you support one of the bills but not the other?

[Hathradic States]

Democratic will my ass. It was a hastily made bill, which was proposed and put into queue without letting the opposition say shit. What the National Imperialist-Freedom Party has done has been done in the defense of democracy.

The bill has only been placed in the queue, Senator. Let us use the democratic process when the time arises to change the bill into a suitable legislation or vote it down if that is not possible.

I will clarify that the only threat I have made is that, if the bill passes in its current form, it will meet heavy opposition.

[Maklohi Vai]

Putting the paramilitaries aside, has anyone ever given any consideration to the populace or am I smoking a fat pound of grass on the issue?

That is my first concern. This bill would violate not only the God given right to self defense, but the right to have your home be safe from unwarranted searches.

Let's not make this about religion, shall we?

What about making omnibus bills that combine multiple laws into one bill?

It's an idea, but I think you'd have trouble getting more than a couple bills at once.

[Aquitayne]

What about making omnibus bills that combine multiple laws into one bill?

What if you support one of the bills but not the other?

Example:

OMNIBUS BILL 1: Contains Bills 2, 3, 4 and 5.

YEA: 2, 3
NAY: 4, 5

Or something like that. I think it could work.