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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:17 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Really thats shocking.

A shocker of a situation all-around.

I am shocked too.Literrally I think I touched something electric.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:20 pm

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Maklohi Vai wrote:Number 5 is what brings up disagreement here amongst some.


That's what the disagreement always is in politics. But everyone thinks that they're way is the best way. This implies that people don't know what I'm talking about because they simply disagree with me and they think that my way of solving issues would be bad.

It implies nothing of the sort; you're missing the point. The point is that not only do they disagree with your solutions, they honestly don't see how they would work at all. I'm a social democrat, yet I can envision plans ranging from communism to laissez-faire capitalism being sustainable by a government. There's a difference between disagreement and disbelief.

Mishmahig wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Number 5 is what brings up disagreement here amongst some.


I'm shocked.

And sarcastic. :p
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Postby CTALNH » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:22 pm

No decentralizes state socialism? :(
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Mishmahig » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:24 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
I'm shocked.

And sarcastic. :p


Nonsense, don't you see the widened eyes or raised eyebrows of my Senator?

It might be hard, since he's asleep in the Chamber, but still.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:24 pm

CTALNH wrote:No decentralizes state socialism? :(

The USLP wants to decentralize things?
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Postby CTALNH » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:25 pm

Geilinor wrote:
CTALNH wrote:No decentralizes state socialism? :(

The USLP wants to decentralize things?

Decentralized state socialism!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentrali ... (economics)
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Postby Bleckonia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:34 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Bleckonia wrote:
That's what the disagreement always is in politics. But everyone thinks that they're way is the best way. This implies that people don't know what I'm talking about because they simply disagree with me and they think that my way of solving issues would be bad.

It implies nothing of the sort; you're missing the point. The point is that not only do they disagree with your solutions, they honestly don't see how they would work at all. I'm a social democrat, yet I can envision plans ranging from communism to laissez-faire capitalism being sustainable by a government. There's a difference between disagreement and disbelief.


Disbelief often stems from disagreement. The Tea Party doesn't believe Obama's plan will work BECAUSE (emphasizing, not shouting) they disagree with his plans.
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Postby Eliasonia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:25 pm

Anyone claim 464 as a constituency yet?

If not, then I'd like to.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:34 pm

Bleckonia wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:It implies nothing of the sort; you're missing the point. The point is that not only do they disagree with your solutions, they honestly don't see how they would work at all. I'm a social democrat, yet I can envision plans ranging from communism to laissez-faire capitalism being sustainable by a government. There's a difference between disagreement and disbelief.


Disbelief often stems from disagreement.

Often, but not in this case. I've explained how it doesn't.
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Postby Bleckonia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:42 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Bleckonia wrote:
Disbelief often stems from disagreement.

Often, but not in this case. I've explained how it doesn't.


Fine, I recognize that some people don't think my plans would work. But every candidate has his detractors.
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Postby Of the Quendi » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:15 pm

What issues is it exactly that Bleckonia supposedly doesn't understand?
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:19 pm

Of the Quendi wrote:What issues is it exactly that Bleckonia supposedly doesn't understand?

I'm not sure, I'm just explaining to him what other people believe (I think).
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Postby Of the Quendi » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:21 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:What issues is it exactly that Bleckonia supposedly doesn't understand?

I'm not sure, I'm just explaining to him what other people believe (I think).

I realize that. But I hope those who have concerns about Bleckonia's understanding of things will care to elaborate on their misgivings.
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Postby Aurentine Constabularies » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:28 pm

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Postby Rumostan » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:35 pm

Aurentine Constabularies wrote:I love Arresting People.


:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:36 pm

Aurentine Constabularies wrote:I love Arresting People.

The mob isn't going to be happy about this.
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Postby Aurentine Constabularies » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:42 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Aurentine Constabularies wrote:I love Arresting People.

The mob isn't going to be happy about this.

(OOC: Is this an IC statement, as in Senator Orson is now standing in the Senate Lobby saying this to the Policeman who is announcing that? I like making dramatic speeches and rebuttals, me!)
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:48 pm

Aurentine Constabularies wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:The mob isn't going to be happy about this.

(OOC: Is this an IC statement, as in Senator Orson is now standing in the Senate Lobby saying this to the Policeman who is announcing that? I like making dramatic speeches and rebuttals, me!)

OOC: No. Senator Orson is not even in Aurentine right now.
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Postby Yanalia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:49 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Aurentine Constabularies wrote:(OOC: Is this an IC statement, as in Senator Orson is now standing in the Senate Lobby saying this to the Policeman who is announcing that? I like making dramatic speeches and rebuttals, me!)

OOC: No. Senator Orson is not even in Aurentine right now.


How then did he vote on the legislation currently at vote?
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Postby Aurentine Constabularies » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:53 pm

Yanalia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:OOC: No. Senator Orson is not even in Aurentine right now.


How then did he vote on the legislation currently at vote?

(OOC: That's irritating. Either he voted, or he's out of the country.)
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:53 pm

Yanalia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:OOC: No. Senator Orson is not even in Aurentine right now.


How then did he vote on the legislation currently at vote?

....You have a point.
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Postby Kouralia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:56 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
How then did he vote on the legislation currently at vote?

....You have a point.

So, he is in the Lobby?
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:03 pm

Kouralia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:....You have a point.

So, he is in the Lobby?

No.
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Postby Aurentine Constabularies » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:04 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Kouralia wrote:So, he is in the Lobby?

No.

So, his vote didn't count?

(I recommend that you create a second character to use alongside Orson - your replacement Senator who was voted in after you were (presumably) fired for murder.)
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Postby Kamchastkia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:06 pm

The Lobby unless it has changed since I last read an administrator announcement, but is a mix of OOC and IC :).
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