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Wolfmanne
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu May 30, 2013 7:00 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:Now we must enforce the ISA, passing it was the easy part.

How does one go about turning our paramilitary into a private security force?

As I said for the billionth time, you can directly employ your security officers. Don't need a private security company.
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Postby The Realm of God » Thu May 30, 2013 7:02 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Diopolis wrote:How does one go about turning our paramilitary into a private security force?

As I said for the billionth time, you can directly employ your security officers. Don't need a private security company.


All they need to do is submit to regulation and cease political indoctrination?
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Belmaria
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Postby Belmaria » Thu May 30, 2013 7:03 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Diopolis wrote:How does one go about turning our paramilitary into a private security force?

As I said for the billionth time, you can directly employ your security officers. Don't need a private security company.

But what if you want a private security force? The Objectivists don't outsource theirs.

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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu May 30, 2013 7:03 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:As I said for the billionth time, you can directly employ your security officers. Don't need a private security company.


All they need to do is submit to regulation and cease political indoctrination?

Yup. Just make sure they're Ofsecure qualified, that they're properly uniformed and done.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu May 30, 2013 7:04 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Diopolis wrote:How does one go about turning our paramilitary into a private security force?

As I said for the billionth time, you can directly employ your security officers. Don't need a private security company.

How do we get them certified as security officers?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu May 30, 2013 7:14 pm

The Royalist guard is dead, long live the royalist guard security limited!
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Postby Fortunagen » Thu May 30, 2013 7:35 pm

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Postby Costa Alegria » Thu May 30, 2013 7:42 pm

Just so all interested parties know, the government may be willing to purchase the vehicles off any political parties currently disbanding their paramilitaries.
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Postby Belmaria » Thu May 30, 2013 7:45 pm

A new group, the Coalition for Economic Responsibility, has created a website in support of the Economic Responsibility Act!

http://nsg-era.webs.com/
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Postby Grenartia » Thu May 30, 2013 8:20 pm

Belmaria wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:Now we must enforce the ISA, passing it was the easy part.

The private security force of the Objectivists is for party security purposes, not for political intimidation purposes. Just to let you know.


That's what the Fascists and Stalinists said, too. But they lied. I'm not saying your party is lying as well, but given this nation's history with "private security forces" for political parties, one cannot blame us for needing to pass the ISA.

Costa Alegria wrote:Just so all interested parties know, the government may be willing to purchase the vehicles off any political parties currently disbanding their paramilitaries.


Indeed. I would also imagine we would be highly interested in the NIFP's 1500mm cannon, along with all associated resources and materials.

Belmaria wrote:A new group, the Coalition for Economic Responsibility, has created a website in support of the Economic Responsibility Act!

http://nsg-era.webs.com/


Is an entire website for a bill really NEEDED?
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Postby Belmaria » Thu May 30, 2013 8:31 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Belmaria wrote:The private security force of the Objectivists is for party security purposes, not for political intimidation purposes. Just to let you know.


That's what the Fascists and Stalinists said, too. But they lied. I'm not saying your party is lying as well, but given this nation's history with "private security forces" for political parties, one cannot blame us for needing to pass the ISA.

Costa Alegria wrote:Just so all interested parties know, the government may be willing to purchase the vehicles off any political parties currently disbanding their paramilitaries.


Indeed. I would also imagine we would be highly interested in the NIFP's 1500mm cannon, along with all associated resources and materials.

Belmaria wrote:A new group, the Coalition for Economic Responsibility, has created a website in support of the Economic Responsibility Act!

http://nsg-era.webs.com/


Is an entire website for a bill really NEEDED?

Yes, as the leftists are going to use everything in their power to stop this bill. So we need to be ready to push back with as much power as possible.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu May 30, 2013 8:58 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
That's what the Fascists and Stalinists said, too. But they lied. I'm not saying your party is lying as well, but given this nation's history with "private security forces" for political parties, one cannot blame us for needing to pass the ISA.



Indeed. I would also imagine we would be highly interested in the NIFP's 1500mm cannon, along with all associated resources and materials.



Is an entire website for a bill really NEEDED?

Yes, as the leftists are going to use everything in their power to stop this bill. So we need to be ready to push back with as much power as possible.


HAHAHA, i think its quite cool!
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Postby The Zeonic States » Thu May 30, 2013 9:02 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Belmaria wrote:The private security force of the Objectivists is for party security purposes, not for political intimidation purposes. Just to let you know.


That's what the Fascists and Stalinists said, too. But they lied. I'm not saying your party is lying as well, but given this nation's history with "private security forces" for political parties, one cannot blame us for needing to pass the ISA.

Costa Alegria wrote:Just so all interested parties know, the government may be willing to purchase the vehicles off any political parties currently disbanding their paramilitaries.


Indeed. I would also imagine we would be highly interested in the NIFP's 1500mm cannon, along with all associated resources and materials.

Belmaria wrote:A new group, the Coalition for Economic Responsibility, has created a website in support of the Economic Responsibility Act!

http://nsg-era.webs.com/


Is an entire website for a bill really NEEDED?


Lied?

Again Cite ONE, Just one occasiona where a member of the NIFP's Paramilitary used their authority and equipment for anything other then defense of the Party and it's interests.

And good luck i am head of the project and i don't feel like sharing.

1500mm railcannon and it's related materials are well outside the bounds of this island.

They were moved ages ago.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu May 30, 2013 9:07 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
That's what the Fascists and Stalinists said, too. But they lied. I'm not saying your party is lying as well, but given this nation's history with "private security forces" for political parties, one cannot blame us for needing to pass the ISA.



Indeed. I would also imagine we would be highly interested in the NIFP's 1500mm cannon, along with all associated resources and materials.



Is an entire website for a bill really NEEDED?


Lied?

Again Cite ONE, Just one occasiona where a member of the NIFP's Paramilitary used their authority and equipment for anything other then defense of the Party and it's interests.

And good luck i am head of the project and i don't feel like sharing.

1500mm railcannon and it's related materials are well outside the bounds of this island.

They were moved ages ago.


There are too many of you and the Stalinists fighting each other in the streets to list.

So you admit that you don't have the best interests of the nation at hand? If you did, you'd at least be open to the thought of negotiating transferring control of the project to the Auretine military.
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Hathradic States
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Postby Hathradic States » Thu May 30, 2013 9:13 pm

Grenartia wrote:
So you admit that you don't have the best interests of the nation at hand? If you did, you'd at least be open to the thought of negotiating transferring control of the project to the Auretine military.

We have no interest in helping a regime which has stabbed our Party in the back.


Furthermore, the NIFP will not begin hiring personnel from the security branch of Taltos Arms, formed shortly after the passage of the ISA.

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Postby Hathradic States » Thu May 30, 2013 9:13 pm

Grenartia wrote:
There are too many of you and the Stalinists fighting each other in the streets to list.

Oddly, we had an agreement not to engage in hostilities towards eachother.

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Postby The Zeonic States » Thu May 30, 2013 9:14 pm

Grenartia wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:
Lied?

Again Cite ONE, Just one occasiona where a member of the NIFP's Paramilitary used their authority and equipment for anything other then defense of the Party and it's interests.

And good luck i am head of the project and i don't feel like sharing.

1500mm railcannon and it's related materials are well outside the bounds of this island.

They were moved ages ago.


There are too many of you and the Stalinists fighting each other in the streets to list.

So you admit that you don't have the best interests of the nation at hand? If you did, you'd at least be open to the thought of negotiating transferring control of the project to the Auretine military.


Given that only i speak with authority over the orginization the actions of members of the Party do not reflect the defensive forces.

This is like comparing the Senate to the Army.

Two seperate branches, but your ignorance does not offend so fear not.

So again Cite ONE example, Where the A member of the Defensive forces caused a incident.

Not A senator within the Party, Not the Chairman, The Defensive forces.

The Answer is not one.

You have and had no justification for the outlawing.

The lie as you put it was not this Parties making but your own.

The Nation is the Primary concern of the Party but i will not and i assume the party will not support a notion where the private citizenry cannot join and take part within a public Militia with out being declared terrorists. I will not support a motion where public property can be claimed by the State upon the Justification that "It is a danger" when it has presented no danger.

You claim my own cares for this Nation are non existant? That is false but i will not support a government that weakens its populace with such...Civil liberty crushing measures.

If this Military wishes to purchase the rights to the project it will have to do so in the realm of the free market; Not within the bounds of this Nation where it can "legally seized."
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Postby Costa Alegria » Thu May 30, 2013 9:14 pm

Hathradic States wrote:We have no interest in helping a regime which has stabbed our Party in the back.


Sorry, when did this happen?
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Postby Hathradic States » Thu May 30, 2013 9:15 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:We have no interest in helping a regime which has stabbed our Party in the back.


Sorry, when did this happen?

Weakening us is betrayal of the Party, whether with forced agreement or not.

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Postby Quirina » Thu May 30, 2013 9:18 pm

*Currently looking at the vast list of ALL Senators in NSG Senate, both old and new threads*

Shit's got a large chamber of politicians.

*Turns to the list of ALL political parties then and now*

You people ain't got no chance of being people-loving fellas.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Thu May 30, 2013 9:19 pm

Hathradic States wrote:Weakening us is betrayal of the Party, whether with forced agreement or not.


I don't see how this is a betrayal, given the fact that the government was not allied with any of your members nor in any alliance with your party.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu May 30, 2013 9:19 pm

Quirina wrote:*Currently looking at the vast list of ALL Senators in NSG Senate, both old and new threads*

Shit's got a large chamber of politicians.

*Turns to the list of ALL political parties then and now*

You people ain't got no chance of being people-loving fellas.


WTF?
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Postby Hathradic States » Thu May 30, 2013 9:20 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Weakening us is betrayal of the Party, whether with forced agreement or not.


I don't see how this is a betrayal, given the fact that the government was not allied with any of your members nor in any alliance with your party.

True, however, we can view the State as a whole betraying us, who only wish to make it strong.

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Postby Costa Alegria » Thu May 30, 2013 9:22 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Costa Alegria wrote:
I don't see how this is a betrayal, given the fact that the government was not allied with any of your members nor in any alliance with your party.

True, however, we can view the State as a whole betraying us, who only wish to make it strong.


It's not a betrayal. Also, the offer of $2.1 million for each helicopter (and that's a good offer seeing as they are second-hand) is our final offer. Take it or leave it.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu May 30, 2013 9:22 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Weakening us is betrayal of the Party, whether with forced agreement or not.


I don't see how this is a betrayal, given the fact that the government was not allied with any of your members nor in any alliance with your party.


Anyway minister for your information as you are in charge of enforcing the ISA, in case you did not already know the Royalist guard has now become a private security firm to comply with the ACT. Although as the Firearms act failed we will not be turning in any weapons or equipment due to none of it being against the law.
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