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Postby The Zeonic States » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:50 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:Don't recall this being a "Fascist" Party.

You've been gone a while, huh? Because we are.
The Zeonic States wrote:And Globalism is a tenant of Imperialism.

No, it isn't. The United Nations is a globalist organisation. The United Nations is anti-war and anti-imperialism. The British Empire was imperialist. The British Empire was not the United Nations.


Globalism can refer and i quote to the belief that the world is stage for the usage of Political influence it does not automatically refer to the practice of placing the world ahead of the invidual Nation.

And Imperialism, as defined by the Dictionary of Human Geography, is "an unequal human and territorial relationship, usually in the form of an empire, based on ideas of superiority and practices of dominance, and involving the extension of authority and control of one state or people over another."

Extension of authority does that concept sound familar? Its the Orginal intent of Globalism; Its merely being refered in a Political sense rather then a Martial one.

And declaring this to be a Facist party likely wouldn't win us any favors and it would actually make the insults people sling at us correct; Not to mention that a few of us within the Party including myself aren't Facists.

I have similar views on a number of things but i don't adhere to the ideology.
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Postby Arcerion » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:59 pm

Please remove me from both Party rosters as I am switching to independent. I am no longer affiliating with the NIFP.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:00 pm

Arcerion wrote:Please remove me from both Party rosters as I am switching to independent. I am no longer affiliating with the NIFP.

Will do. Sorry to see you go.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:01 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:And declaring this to be a Facist party likely wouldn't win us any favors and it would actually make the insults people sling at us correct; Not to mention that a few of us within the Party including myself aren't Facists.

I have similar views on a number of things but i don't adhere to the ideology.

No, it won't, but it isn't as if anyone honestly thinks we aren't. We aren't fascist in the sense that we're going to commit genocide; and we don't necessarily say we're fascist; but the platform mainly adheres to fascism.
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Postby Yankee Empire » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:02 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:No, it won't, but it isn't as if anyone honestly thinks we aren't. We aren't fascist in the sense that we're going to commit genocide;

This shouldn't even need to be said, genocide SUPRISE SUPRISE has never been a tenent of Fascism.

Backers of Capitalism and Communism have been involved in the deaths of a larger number of people than Fascism.

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:and we don't necessarily say we're fascist; but the platform mainly adheres to fascism.

Stop the apoligetics.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:21 pm

Yankee Empire wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:No, it won't, but it isn't as if anyone honestly thinks we aren't. We aren't fascist in the sense that we're going to commit genocide;

This shouldn't even need to be said, genocide SUPRISE SUPRISE has never been a tenent of Fascism.

Backers of Capitalism and Communism have been involved in the deaths of a larger number of people than Fascism.

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:and we don't necessarily say we're fascist; but the platform mainly adheres to fascism.

Stop the apoligetics.

1. I know it hasn't, Yankee. I'm a Fascist. Mussolini even said that race was an illusion. But the vast majority of the world today - including liberal anti-fascists like Uni - thinks it is, and we need to make clear we aren't racists.

2. My point is that, just like Ron Paul could be a member of the GOP, Uni can be a member of the NIFP. You don't have to adhere strictly to every point on the party platform, and you don't have to call yourself a name you don't like.
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Postby Valentir » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:55 am

I'm leaving the NIFP. No one will most likely care but anyways bye.

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Postby Kelmet » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:53 pm

I regret that i am not active enough to really care about this rp, plus I watched this party go from a right-wing coalition party to fascist BS, so i will be leaving.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:57 pm

Kelmet wrote:I regret that i am not active enough to really care about this rp, plus I watched this party go from a right-wing coalition party to fascist BS, so i will be leaving.

Our platform has not changed since the beginning.

But whatever. We don't need undedicated liberal sympathisers such as yourself, not devoted to the cause.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:01 pm

And Three becomes five.

:/

Losing active members is hurting the Party immensely.
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Postby Unicario » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:02 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:And Three becomes five.

:/

Losing active members is hurting the Party immensely.


Well, we have for quite some time, appealed to the cause of centre-rightism, rather than hard-core fascist tenets, but our party seems to be crusading against the left at an even more steady and harsh rate than it already has.
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Postby Valentir » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:46 pm

Hmm, I have come back to help you guys and honour the CMP alliance with the NIFP. I don't represent the CMP but I think it needs to honour it's long standing alliance with you guys.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:18 pm

Unicario wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:And Three becomes five.

:/

Losing active members is hurting the Party immensely.


Well, we have for quite some time, appealed to the cause of centre-rightism, rather than hard-core fascist tenets, but our party seems to be crusading against the left at an even more steady and harsh rate than it already has.

>implying the NIFP is anything less than far-right

lol
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:10 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Well, we have for quite some time, appealed to the cause of centre-rightism, rather than hard-core fascist tenets, but our party seems to be crusading against the left at an even more steady and harsh rate than it already has.

>implying the NIFP is anything less than far-right

lol

We aren't.

Pruss, stop saying "Yeah the party is this". We are just a right wing party, not a far=right fascist party.

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Postby The Zeonic States » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:32 pm

So what's up Chairman?
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:35 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:So what's up Chairman?

I am calling a vote for Pruss membership in the Party. His statements, such as the one three post above, are harming this party greatly. Also, changes to the platform.

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Postby The Zeonic States » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:37 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:So what's up Chairman?

I am calling a vote for Pruss membership in the Party. His statements, such as the one three post above, are harming this party greatly. Also, changes to the platform.


What Changes?
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:38 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:I am calling a vote for Pruss membership in the Party. His statements, such as the one three post above, are harming this party greatly. Also, changes to the platform.


What Changes?

Things to distance us more from the claims of fascism. If we are to survive, we must reform, and become stronger.

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Postby The Zeonic States » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:41 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:
What Changes?

Things to distance us more from the claims of fascism. If we are to survive, we must reform, and become stronger.


We shouldn't compromise what we believe merely to appease people who have been claiming the samething for Months but i do agree our Reputation is worse now then it ever was before.
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:44 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Things to distance us more from the claims of fascism. If we are to survive, we must reform, and become stronger.


We shouldn't compromise what we believe merely to appease people who have been claiming the samething for Months but i do agree our Reputation is worse now then it ever was before.

We aren't changing what we already have, I should clarify, but adding other stuff in. Such as:

-Against spying on Auretine citizens
-Support a strong but limited government

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Postby The Zeonic States » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:49 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:
We shouldn't compromise what we believe merely to appease people who have been claiming the samething for Months but i do agree our Reputation is worse now then it ever was before.

We aren't changing what we already have, I should clarify, but adding other stuff in. Such as:

-Against spying on Auretine citizens
-Support a strong but limited government


Limiting the State is Weakening the State though.
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Postby Arcerion » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:53 pm

Members of this fine Party!

Heed my words! We are not Nazis, Fascists, or the extreme right! We are nationalists! The men and women that fight for a unified country! We have failed however. Our fine party grew, and the decayed. And where there is decay, there is disease. This disease has come, and it has spread. That is why we cast out those that seek to change us to the right! We are the champions of the conservatives! The heroes of the businessmen! And the liberators of the hard working!

I expect every member to come back and pledge their support. Out core values of have fallen. We are nationalists, businessmen, conservatives, passionate humanists, and members of the Nationalist Imperialist-Freedom Party! So hear me now! Those that seek to make us facist will be cast out if they do not renounce their ways !hey will be shunned from the party, cast from our ranks and disavowed as people we once called friends!

The time has come! We shall reclaim our place in the Senate! We shall reclaim our party! We shall reclaim what is rightfully ours!
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Postby Eliasonia » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:54 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:
We shouldn't compromise what we believe merely to appease people who have been claiming the samething for Months but i do agree our Reputation is worse now then it ever was before.

We aren't changing what we already have, I should clarify, but adding other stuff in. Such as:

-Against spying on Auretine citizens
-Support a strong but limited government

Define "limited". Because as Zeon just stated, too much limitation of the state leads to a weaker state.
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Postby Eliasonia » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:55 pm

Arcerion wrote:
Members of this fine Party!

Heed my words! We are not Nazis, Fascists, or the extreme right! We are nationalists! The men and women that fight for a unified country! We have failed however. Our fine party grew, and the decayed. And where there is decay, there is disease. This disease has come, and it has spread. That is why we cast out those that seek to change us to the right! We are the champions of the conservatives! The heroes of the businessmen! And the liberators of the hard working!

I expect every member to come back and pledge their support. Out core values of have fallen. We are nationalists, businessmen, conservatives, passionate humanists, and members of the Nationalist Imperialist-Freedom Party! So hear me now! Those that seek to make us facist will be cast out if they do not renounce their ways !hey will be shunned from the party, cast from our ranks and disavowed as people we once called friends!

The time has come! We shall reclaim our place in the Senate! We shall reclaim our party! We shall reclaim what is rightfully ours!

I refuse to cast anyone out based on solely ideological grounds.
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And lightening shot out of his ass. :D

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*Gives a stuffed Hath doll*
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Postby Arcerion » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:56 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Well, we have for quite some time, appealed to the cause of centre-rightism, rather than hard-core fascist tenets, but our party seems to be crusading against the left at an even more steady and harsh rate than it already has.

>implying the NIFP is anything less than far-right

lol


You will immediately resign from your position in the Party.

On my authority as a senior member and a founder I have been recalled and should you not toe the line you will be thrown out. You are a dangerous person, and a radical, and I'll be damned if you hijack something I once called my own.
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