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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Mon May 06, 2013 1:28 pm

I propose we consider forming a Coalition of the Willing with the CMP, USLP and ourselves.
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Postby Hathradic States » Mon May 06, 2013 1:29 pm

Unicario wrote:I propose we consider forming a Coalition of the Willing with the CMP, USLP and ourselves.

Seconded.

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Postby Irredento » Mon May 06, 2013 1:30 pm

Unicario wrote:I propose we consider forming a Coalition of the Willing with the CMP, USLP and ourselves.

I wouldn't be willing to bring my party into any formal coalition containing the USLP even though I'm willing to have us work together to defeat this bill.

We have nothing in common otherwise and so I see no reason to form a coalition.

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Postby Unicario » Mon May 06, 2013 1:30 pm

Irredento wrote:
Unicario wrote:I propose we consider forming a Coalition of the Willing with the CMP, USLP and ourselves.

I wouldn't be willing to bring my party into any formal coalition containing the USLP even though I'm willing to have us work together to defeat this bill.

We have nothing in common otherwise and so I see no reason to form a coalition.


We don't need to agree on issues, we need to form a coalition against the rest of the Senate to stop them from destroying us.
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Postby Irredento » Mon May 06, 2013 1:32 pm

Unicario wrote:
Irredento wrote:I wouldn't be willing to bring my party into any formal coalition containing the USLP even though I'm willing to have us work together to defeat this bill.

We have nothing in common otherwise and so I see no reason to form a coalition.


We don't need to agree on issues, we need to form a coalition against the rest of the Senate to stop them from destroying us.

What purpose would such a coalition serve? We're already going to oppose this bill together without a coalition anyway.

Also, my party would outright mutiny against me if I even suggest working with communists.
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Postby Hathradic States » Mon May 06, 2013 1:34 pm

Irredento wrote:
Unicario wrote:
We don't need to agree on issues, we need to form a coalition against the rest of the Senate to stop them from destroying us.

What purpose would such a coalition serve? We're already going to oppose this bill together without a coalition anyway.

Also, my party would outright mutiny against me if I even suggest working with communists.

Paramilitary alliance would be a better term for our relationship to the USLP.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon May 06, 2013 1:34 pm

Yankee Empire wrote:Edit: Asshole

Costa Algeria is now on the NIFP shitlist.

I'm despising the PC more and more, im glad I didn't join them.

The Progs are a disgrace to the right, they should stop lying to themselves and admit they're liberals putting up a very shitty front as "conservatives".
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Postby Unicario » Mon May 06, 2013 1:34 pm

Give me a break. the CMP and NIFP are the only conservative parties in the Senate. It's obvious that the PC are just centrist liberals.
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Postby Yankee Empire » Mon May 06, 2013 1:36 pm

Irredento wrote:I'm just posting here to let you know that the Monarchists will fight in the streets alongside you if the government attempts to take our weapons away.

But then, you knew that already, mein guten kameraden.


As much as I agree, keep the sabre rattling down, when we consitently saw we'll fight in the streets (as much as i agree) it makes their crap seem justified to those on the fence.
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Postby Irredento » Mon May 06, 2013 1:36 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Irredento wrote:What purpose would such a coalition serve? We're already going to oppose this bill together without a coalition anyway.

Also, my party would outright mutiny against me if I even suggest working with communists.

Paramilitary alliance would be a better term for our relationship to the USLP.

The CMP's paramilitary is already pretty much allied with the NIFP but I'm not convinced that they wouldn't start firing on the communists given half the chance.

While we are together in our opposition to this liberal attempt to ban guns and paramilitaries, the communists are still our enemies.

Hell, the Elite Guard of our paramilitary carry photos of Tsar Nicholas II on all of their marches. Can you imagine them marching with the USLP?

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Postby Hathradic States » Mon May 06, 2013 1:37 pm

Irredento wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Paramilitary alliance would be a better term for our relationship to the USLP.

The CMP's paramilitary is already pretty much allied with the NIFP but I'm not convinced that they wouldn't start firing on the communists given half the chance.

While we are together in our opposition to this liberal attempt to ban guns and paramilitaries, the communists are still our enemies.

Hell, the Elite Guard of our paramilitary carry photos of Tsar Nicholas II on all of their marches. Can you imagine them marching with the USLP?

It would scare the piss out of the Libs, can tell you that much. :P

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon May 06, 2013 1:38 pm

Irredento wrote:
Unicario wrote:
We don't need to agree on issues, we need to form a coalition against the rest of the Senate to stop them from destroying us.

What purpose would such a coalition serve? We're already going to oppose this bill together without a coalition anyway.

Also, my party would outright mutiny against me if I even suggest working with communists.


The USLP is more like is than the liberals, they have discipline and a martial nature like us. If you ask me, a NIFP-CMP-USLP alliance would be the greatest force against the carebears we can get.
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Postby Yankee Empire » Mon May 06, 2013 1:40 pm

Unicario wrote:Give me a break. the CMP and NIFP are the only conservative parties in the Senate. It's obvious that the PC are just centrist liberals.

Obviously, their initial platform i identified with most and thought of joining but thought i could do better (the existance of this party proves me correct).

They should change their name to the "Progressive"-Liberal party.
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Postby Othelos » Mon May 06, 2013 1:40 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Yankee Empire wrote:Edit: Asshole

Costa Algeria is now on the NIFP shitlist.

I'm despising the PC more and more, im glad I didn't join them.

The Progs are a disgrace to the right, they should stop lying to themselves and admit they're liberals putting up a very shitty front as "conservatives".

"Progressive" Conservatives.

And calm down, the PC represents liberals, conservatives, and centrists socially because we don't really have many official positions on social things.

There haven't been that many economic bills, so people haven't really seen our "right" side.
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Postby Yankee Empire » Mon May 06, 2013 1:42 pm

Othelos wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:The Progs are a disgrace to the right, they should stop lying to themselves and admit they're liberals putting up a very shitty front as "conservatives".

"Progressive" Conservatives.

And calm down, the PC represents liberals, conservatives, and centrists socially because we don't really have many official positions on social things.

There haven't been that many economic bills, so people haven't really seen our "right" side.


Yeah like we said the only thing "Conservative" about the party is some weired rightist laisseiz faire economics and there's already about three other parties that cater to that now.

There's very little that justifies the title "conservative".

Also whats progressive about it? Your "conservative" on economics ( I.E. Liberal democratic economics), and then just agree with the liberal stance on social issues, not just some but seemingly all.

"Liberal-Democratic Status quo party" would be a better name.
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Postby Irredento » Mon May 06, 2013 1:47 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Irredento wrote:What purpose would such a coalition serve? We're already going to oppose this bill together without a coalition anyway.

Also, my party would outright mutiny against me if I even suggest working with communists.


The USLP is more like is than the liberals, they have discipline and a martial nature like us. If you ask me, a NIFP-CMP-USLP alliance would be the greatest force against the carebears we can get.

The CMP works with the NIFP because we are both socially conservative parties. I can see how the NIFP might be able to work temporarily with the USLP since you are both populists, as this would be much like how the Nazi and Communist unions temporarily worked together on industrial action etc in Weimar Germany, but the CMP is not a populist party and is instead radical traditionalist and opposed to even the values of the French Revolution, never mind those of the 20th century.

There's just no way I could get my party to work with communists. We turned our backs on the centrists such as the PCs and Lib Dems because of their alliance with communists and my party would have much the same reaction if you were to do this.

Again, I am happy to work with the USLP in order to defeat this bill, but an alliance with people who admire and worship the men who murdered the patron saint and martyr of our Elite Guard is impossible. Hell, both our first and to a large extent our second propaganda videos focused on attacking the USLP in particular, although the second was admittedly more anti-liberal, but you probably get the idea. It's just not possible.

My party would genuinely mutiny against me and the Royalist Guard's generals would have me shot, and rightfully so.

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Postby Unicario » Mon May 06, 2013 1:47 pm

*Germanizes the party name*

Nazionalkaiserliche Freiheit Partei. Win.
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Postby Othelos » Mon May 06, 2013 1:47 pm

Yankee Empire wrote:
Othelos wrote:"Progressive" Conservatives.

And calm down, the PC represents liberals, conservatives, and centrists socially because we don't really have many official positions on social things.

There haven't been that many economic bills, so people haven't really seen our "right" side.


Yeah like we said the only think Conservative about the party is some weired rightist laisseiz faire economics and there's already about three other parties that cater to that now.

There's very little that justifies the title "conservative".

The title, instead of describing us as conservative, describes us as progressive conservatives. So basically, we're "modern" conservatives that see that some things should change. So we probably seem liberal to the regular conservative (ex. a Republican), but not really, especially economically.

And we don't favor laissez faire economics.
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Postby Unicario » Mon May 06, 2013 1:48 pm

Comrade Hath, it is not advisable to continue to state that there will be violent revolution if they defy our will. They have a point in saying that threatening to use our paramilitaries doesn't help our case.
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Postby Pragia » Mon May 06, 2013 1:49 pm

Othelos wrote:
Yankee Empire wrote:
Yeah like we said the only think Conservative about the party is some weired rightist laisseiz faire economics and there's already about three other parties that cater to that now.

There's very little that justifies the title "conservative".

The title, instead of describing us as conservative, describes us as progressive conservatives. So basically, we're "modern" conservatives that see that some things should change. So we probably seem liberal to the regular conservative (ex. a Republican), but not really, especially economically.

And we don't favor laissez faire economics.

What is conventionally conservative about you? I really am not seeing much.

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Postby Yankee Empire » Mon May 06, 2013 1:50 pm

Othelos wrote:
Yankee Empire wrote:
Yeah like we said the only think Conservative about the party is some weired rightist laisseiz faire economics and there's already about three other parties that cater to that now.

There's very little that justifies the title "conservative".

The title, instead of describing us as conservative, describes us as progressive conservatives. So basically, we're "modern" conservatives that see that some things should change. So we probably seem liberal to the regular conservative (ex. a Republican), but not really, especially economically.

And we don't favor laissez faire economics.


"Liberal-Democrat Status quo party"
Think about it...
Also what are your economic policies, I saw "Third way" so are they similar to ours (Corporatism) or are they more favorable to laissez faire Capitalism(like i implied)?
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Postby Hathradic States » Mon May 06, 2013 1:51 pm

Unicario wrote:Comrade Hath, it is not advisable to continue to state that there will be violent revolution if they defy our will. They have a point in saying that threatening to use our paramilitaries doesn't help our case.

We are threatening to retaliate, not attack. THat much should be clear.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon May 06, 2013 1:52 pm

Unicario wrote:*Germanizes the party name*

Nazionalkaiserliche Freiheit Partei. Win.


Wunderschön. :clap:
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Postby Yankee Empire » Mon May 06, 2013 1:54 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Unicario wrote:*Germanizes the party name*

Nazionalkaiserliche Freiheit Partei. Win.


Wunderschön. :clap:


Nein.

There seems to be many deutschophiles in the party, I am not among them, I don't dislike German things i'm just not a huge appraisier.
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Postby Hathradic States » Mon May 06, 2013 1:55 pm

We cannot let them disarm us, my friends.

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