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[Mollary]

Ah! I'm gone a few days and everything changed! What has happened while I've been gone?

The Progress Coalition fell apart. Most of the rest of the left went over to join the rightist coalition currently forming. So we decided to engage in our own coalition talks with the USLP and Communists. Those are ongoing in the negotiations thread. I made a post about the most recent proposals in this thread just above your post.

Also, the Chairman called for an Election Commissioner, a position for which I expressed my interest. I will be appointed to that position if no one else posts their desire for it by a certain time.

Gawd that's a heavy shift to the left . What caused the Progress Coalition to fall to pieces?

[Free South Califas]

The Progress Coalition fell apart. Most of the rest of the left went over to join the rightist coalition currently forming. So we decided to engage in our own coalition talks with the USLP and Communists. Those are ongoing in the negotiations thread. I made a post about the most recent proposals in this thread just above your post.

Also, the Chairman called for an Election Commissioner, a position for which I expressed my interest. I will be appointed to that position if no one else posts their desire for it by a certain time.

Gawd that's a heavy shift to the left . What caused the Progress Coalition to fall to pieces?

Long story, but basically evolving Anti-Communism, at least as concerns the people who started opening the rift and organizing the rightist coalition.

[Yanalia]

The Progress Coalition fell apart. Most of the rest of the left went over to join the rightist coalition currently forming. So we decided to engage in our own coalition talks with the USLP and Communists. Those are ongoing in the negotiations thread. I made a post about the most recent proposals in this thread just above your post.

Also, the Chairman called for an Election Commissioner, a position for which I expressed my interest. I will be appointed to that position if no one else posts their desire for it by a certain time.

Gawd that's a heavy shift to the left . What caused the Progress Coalition to fall to pieces?

Wolfmanne started going around saying we betrayed the coalition with the WEA. Then he wanted to remove the PM from office and remove the rest of the Communist and RG ministers as well. This was planned in secret by TG with the PC party leader. He also insulted us a couple of times, calling us "traitors" and "red foxes," which is why we are discussing making that a symbol of sorts for the coalition.

[Mollary]

Gawd that's a heavy shift to the left . What caused the Progress Coalition to fall to pieces?

Long story, but basically evolving Anti-Communism, at least as concerns the people who started opening the rift and organizing the rightist coalition.

I'm guessing that would be the Progressive-Conservatives mostly then?

[Free South Califas]

Long story, but basically evolving Anti-Communism, at least as concerns the people who started opening the rift and organizing the rightist coalition.

I'm guessing that would be the Progressive-Conservatives mostly then?

1. Only WRT the rift in the coalition. Anti-Communism is an overt motivation of several of the most influential people in organizing the new right coalition, most notably its founder Nepal, typically outside of the ProgCo.

2. Maybe only partially. Costa Alegria claims that Wolfmanne doesn't represent the party, but the latter claims he is in tight with the new party leadership and has chased Costa out of the new coalition and the party. As Costa has moved to LDP and may have conceded certain premises of his original argument, it's hard to tell how much of it is a P-C thing and how much of it was a movement spearheaded by Wolfmanne who then perhaps intimidated the party into going along with it.

[Mollary]

I'm guessing that would be the Progressive-Conservatives mostly then?

1. Only WRT the rift in the coalition. Anti-Communism is an overt motivation of several of the most influential people in organizing the new right coalition, most notably its founder Nepal, typically outside of the ProgCo.

2. Maybe only partially. Costa Alegria claims that Wolfmanne doesn't represent the party, but the latter claims he is in tight with the new party leadership and has chased Costa out of the new coalition and the party. As Costa has moved to LDP and may have conceded certain premises of his original argument, it's hard to tell how much of it is a P-C thing and how much of it was a movement spearheaded by Wolfmanne who then perhaps intimidated the party into going along with it.

OK, that's certainly highly unfortunate. Although I'm not sure at all of going into coalition with the USLP. That and all the marxist terminology, I'm not really revolutionary.

[Yanalia]

1. Only WRT the rift in the coalition. Anti-Communism is an overt motivation of several of the most influential people in organizing the new right coalition, most notably its founder Nepal, typically outside of the ProgCo.

2. Maybe only partially. Costa Alegria claims that Wolfmanne doesn't represent the party, but the latter claims he is in tight with the new party leadership and has chased Costa out of the new coalition and the party. As Costa has moved to LDP and may have conceded certain premises of his original argument, it's hard to tell how much of it is a P-C thing and how much of it was a movement spearheaded by Wolfmanne who then perhaps intimidated the party into going along with it.

OK, that's certainly highly unfortunate. Although I'm not sure at all of going into coalition with the USLP. That and all the marxist terminology, I'm not really revolutionary.

The coalition platform does not call for revolution, I believe.

[Mollary]

OK, that's certainly highly unfortunate. Although I'm not sure at all of going into coalition with the USLP. That and all the marxist terminology, I'm not really revolutionary.

The coalition platform does not call for revolution, I believe.

Well the current propsed name is the United Revolutionary Front.

[Yanalia]

The coalition platform does not call for revolution, I believe.

Well the current propsed name is the United Revolutionary Front.

The currently proposed name is the United Workers' Front, actually. The OP hasn't been updated.

[Mollary]

Well the current propsed name is the United Revolutionary Front.

The currently proposed name is the United Workers' Front, actually. The OP hasn't been updated.

Ah, OK. Well I have my doubts and I think that with the elections for election commissioner that I'd like to put my post as Chieft Whip up for election at the same time. I'm willing to hold on to my post in the mean time; however I think I should hand it over considering my uneasy position.

[Free South Califas]

1. Only WRT the rift in the coalition. Anti-Communism is an overt motivation of several of the most influential people in organizing the new right coalition, most notably its founder Nepal, typically outside of the ProgCo.

2. Maybe only partially. Costa Alegria claims that Wolfmanne doesn't represent the party, but the latter claims he is in tight with the new party leadership and has chased Costa out of the new coalition and the party. As Costa has moved to LDP and may have conceded certain premises of his original argument, it's hard to tell how much of it is a P-C thing and how much of it was a movement spearheaded by Wolfmanne who then perhaps intimidated the party into going along with it.

OK, that's certainly highly unfortunate. Although I'm not sure at all of going into coalition with the USLP. That and all the marxist terminology, I'm not really revolutionary.

We're engaging with them on very limited terms. You should check out the coalition platform and offer suggestions if you like. The idea so far has been, we leave the authoritarian aspects of their ideology up to a free vote, so they can vote the way they would have anyway, without affecting our freedom to vote with our conscience. Otherwise, we have our shared platform, which has a couple basic economic and social planks, possibly adding one or two more (potentially in other areas) which all three parties can agree on, i.e. democratic socialist type stuff. We will probably be reaching out to independents (and those from unaffiliated parties?) to caucus with us as well on terms of our basic economic program. Hopefully that is helpful information. I don't mean to pressure you at all, I just like to explain things

[Yanalia]

It looks like the Communists are leaning towards picking Education with their first choice, what should we select? I think it should be President or Prime Minister, and of those I think President is the one we should choose. What does the party think?

[Polvia]

Okay...sorry for my absence (the vote was supposed to be held at 19:00 UTC), but circumstances have kept me from the forums.

Yanalia is now the Election Commissioner and appointed by default. I would ask Mollary if you could hold the position of Chief Whip until the end of the term (the 24th of this month), if not then I understand completely and would only ask that you remain for this next vote, if you're fine with that?

I now call the vote on joining The Workers' Front coalition. For those of you unaware, the Progress Coalition has fallen apart. The P-C leadership has expelled socialists and communists from attending the next coalition, so The Red-Greens, Communist Party, and the United Socialist Labour Party have been in coalition talks for the past few days.




Please read the linked quote below for details on the coalition before you vote.

Click on the quote link for the platform, logo and how the positions will be chosen.

The vote shall be decided by simple majority and end on 16 June 2013 at 19:00 UTC.
The election commissioner is hereby charged with holding the count in complete impartiality.
The Chief Whip shall contact all party members and inform them of the vote, and inform the Chairman when they have completed doing so. There is no whip for attendance on this vote.

I hereby submit a blank vote to maintain the impartiality of my position as Chairman. If there is a tie at the end of the voting period, I may consider changing my vote to break that tie.

[Yanalia]

I vote FOR joining the coalition.

[Phing Phong]

I also vote for the coalition, and strongly urge the party to do so.

[Shrillland]

I also vote for the coalition.

[Yanalia]

Current vote is 3-0 in favor of joining the coalition, with one blank vote.

[Yanalia]

While this is happening, it would be prudent for us to discuss our first position choice if we join the coalition. I think President is a good choice, as the Communists seem likely to pick Education. What does the party think?

[Phing Phong]

While this is happening, it would be prudent for us to discuss our first position choice if we join the coalition. I think President is a good choice, as the Communists seem likely to pick Education. What does the party think?

If we can get a senior administrative position such as President, that would be good. In the unfortunate event that we go into opposition, would we form a shadow cabinet?

[Polvia]

While this is happening, it would be prudent for us to discuss our first position choice if we join the coalition. I think President is a good choice, as the Communists seem likely to pick Education. What does the party think?

If we can get a senior administrative position such as President, that would be good. In the unfortunate event that we go into opposition, would we form a shadow cabinet?

I support the idea of a shadow cabinet, and I also agree that, if possible, we should go for President/Prime Minister. I think we also should look at ministries like Energy, Transportation, et cetera.

[Yanalia]

OK, so we can agree our first pick in the position draft should be President? or PM? I personally think President is a better idea.

[Potenco]

I vote yes on joining the coalition

[Polvia]

OK, so we can agree our first pick in the position draft should be President? or PM? I personally think President is a better idea.

Agreed,

[Yanalia]

OK, so we can agree our first pick in the position draft should be President? or PM? I personally think President is a better idea.

Agreed,

OK, any objections? If there aren't any, we'll submit our pick as President when our turn comes up officially. Shall we give it a day for people to voice their objections?

I'll also inform the USLP that they should start considering their picks, as both we and the Communists are leaning towards specific positions.

[Mytannion]

I vote FOR joining the coalition.