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[Mollary]

Prehaps we should have one nationalising all public transport. Did we end up nationalising utilities also?

I believe that bill is still in the queue. Though there appears to already be a counter bill in the works to privatize all utilities.

If the one nationalising it passes, I'm pretty sure the privatisation one will fail.

[Mollary]

Just as a note Alystan is no longer part of the senate so you might want to take him off the party list.

[Polvia]

Just as a note Alystan is no longer part of the senate so you might want to take him off the party list.

Noted. Will do so. Done

[Britcan]

I was just wondering how much support there would be here for a bill nationalising the railways. Would the members of this party support such a bill?

I would support such a bill.

This is something I quickly drew up. Thoughts?

Railways Act
Urgency: Moderate

Author: Britcan [NSP]
Sponsors:

Description:.

RECOGNISING that while under British ownership a network of railways was established in this nation by the British government and that this network is still in existence today.

ASSERTING that since we are now an independent nation the railways should now be owned by the people of this nation.

MANDATES that all parts of the existing railway network both overground and underground should be nationalised with immediate effect. All citizens of this nations who owned shares in the railways as of 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 should be awarded the worth of the shares at 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 in compensation.

ORDERS that the government take up the duty of maintaining and running the railways of this nation and that any and all profits from the railways go into the treasury of the nation.

ALLOWS the government to sub-contract the running and maintaining of a section of the railways to companies provided the government receives at least 5% of all the profits from the section.

[Mollary]

I would support such a bill.

This is something I quickly drew up. Thoughts?

Railways Act
Urgency: Moderate

Author: Britcan [NSP]
Sponsors:

Description:.

RECOGNISING that while under British ownership a network of railways was established in this nation by the British government and that this network is still in existence today.

ASSERTING that since we are now an independent nation the railways should now be owned by the people of this nation.

MANDATES that all parts of the existing railway network both overground and underground should be nationalised with immediate effect. All citizens of this nations who owned shares in the railways as of 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 should be awarded the worth of the shares at 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 in compensation.

ORDERS that the government take up the duty of maintaining and running the railways of this nation and that any and all profits from the railways go into the treasury of the nation.

ALLOWS the government to sub-contract the running and maintaining of a section of the railways to companies provided the government receives at least 5% of all the profits from the section.

Is there a measure we could put in place to prevent share prices plumetting before the nationalisation to prevent people from feeling like they are losing out?

[Britcan]

This is something I quickly drew up. Thoughts?

Railways Act
Urgency: Moderate

Author: Britcan [NSP]
Sponsors:

Description:.

RECOGNISING that while under British ownership a network of railways was established in this nation by the British government and that this network is still in existence today.

ASSERTING that since we are now an independent nation the railways should now be owned by the people of this nation.

MANDATES that all parts of the existing railway network both overground and underground should be nationalised with immediate effect. All citizens of this nations who owned shares in the railways as of 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 should be awarded the worth of the shares at 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 in compensation.

ORDERS that the government take up the duty of maintaining and running the railways of this nation and that any and all profits from the railways go into the treasury of the nation.

ALLOWS the government to sub-contract the running and maintaining of a section of the railways to companies provided the government receives at least 5% of all the profits from the section.

Is there a measure we could put in place to prevent share prices plumetting before the nationalisation to prevent people from feeling like they are losing out?

I put it at the worth of shares at 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013, this morning.

[Mollary]

Is there a measure we could put in place to prevent share prices plumetting before the nationalisation to prevent people from feeling like they are losing out?

I put it at the worth of shares at 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013, this morning.

Well fair enough. Although surely we can't buy the shares until the bill passes?

[Britcan]

I put it at the worth of shares at 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013, this morning.

Well fair enough. Although surely we can't buy the shares until the bill passes?

We don't. We just compensate them the worth of their shares at that time.

[Mollary]

Well fair enough. Although surely we can't buy the shares until the bill passes?

We don't. We just compensate them the worth of their shares at that time.

Ah right, I miss read the bill there, sorry.

[Wolfmanne]

I would support such a bill.

This is something I quickly drew up. Thoughts?

Railways Act
Urgency: Moderate

Author: Britcan [NSP]
Sponsors:

Description:.

RECOGNISING that while under British ownership a network of railways was established in this nation by the British government and that this network is still in existence today.

ASSERTING that since we are now an independent nation the railways should now be owned by the people of this nation.

MANDATES that all parts of the existing railway network both overground and underground should be nationalised with immediate effect. All citizens of this nations who owned shares in the railways as of 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 should be awarded the worth of the shares at 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 in compensation.

ORDERS that the government take up the duty of maintaining and running the railways of this nation and that any and all profits from the railways go into the treasury of the nation.

ALLOWS the government to sub-contract the running and maintaining of a section of the railways to companies provided the government receives at least 5% of all the profits from the section.

Opposed. Nothing should be privatised with railways. There should no subcontracting of any form.

[Britcan]

This is something I quickly drew up. Thoughts?

Railways Act
Urgency: Moderate

Author: Britcan [NSP]
Sponsors:

Description:.

RECOGNISING that while under British ownership a network of railways was established in this nation by the British government and that this network is still in existence today.

ASSERTING that since we are now an independent nation the railways should now be owned by the people of this nation.

MANDATES that all parts of the existing railway network both overground and underground should be nationalised with immediate effect. All citizens of this nations who owned shares in the railways as of 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 should be awarded the worth of the shares at 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 in compensation.

ORDERS that the government take up the duty of maintaining and running the railways of this nation and that any and all profits from the railways go into the treasury of the nation.

ALLOWS the government to sub-contract the running and maintaining of a section of the railways to companies provided the government receives at least 5% of all the profits from the section.

Opposed. Nothing should be privatised with railways. There should no subcontracting of any form.

I would not mind changing it to that however I that would lose it a lot of support from the more conservative people. If you could get the Prog Cons to agree to the be it we could do it though.

[Pensalum]

Wow, so sorry I've been inactive. Schools coming to an end, and exams are readily approaching so I haven't had much free time. I hope I didn't miss too much.

[Wolfmanne]

Opposed. Nothing should be privatised with railways. There should no subcontracting of any form.

I would not mind changing it to that however I that would lose it a lot of support from the more conservative people. If you could get the Prog Cons to agree to the be it we could do it though.

I'll talk to them. I would also recommend removing the nationalisation of underground railway. In my opinion rapid transit (generalised term for underground rail, monorails, trams and light rail) should he handled by local governments.

[Mollary]

I would not mind changing it to that however I that would lose it a lot of support from the more conservative people. If you could get the Prog Cons to agree to the be it we could do it though.

I'll talk to them. I would also recommend removing the nationalisation of underground railway. In my opinion rapid transit (generalised term for underground rail, monorails, trams and light rail) should he handled by local governments.

I wouldn't be opposed to modifying the bill to that.

[Britcan]

I would not mind changing it to that however I that would lose it a lot of support from the more conservative people. If you could get the Prog Cons to agree to the be it we could do it though.

I'll talk to them. I would also recommend removing the nationalisation of underground railway. In my opinion rapid transit (generalised term for underground rail, monorails, trams and light rail) should he handled by local governments.

Perhaps the government nationalises it but gives control of it over to local government?

[Wolfmanne]

I'll talk to them. I would also recommend removing the nationalisation of underground railway. In my opinion rapid transit (generalised term for underground rail, monorails, trams and light rail) should he handled by local governments.

Perhaps the government nationalises it but gives control of it over to local government?

Sure thing.

[Wolfmanne]

Also, you might be wondering why a Conservative of all people is supporting this. It's because the railway is one of those sacred institutions that shoulnd't of been privatised. In my opinion it's on the same line as privatising the NHS. This is a good summary of why privatisation is a bad idea and nationalisation is a better one. The railways are like roads for public transport and the franchised companies are like companies contracted to run toll booths. What do they do? Charge extra and make Britain the most expensive for it's passengers:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 37891.html

[Phing Phong]

Also, you might be wondering why a Conservative of all people is supporting this. It's because the railway is one of those sacred institutions that shoulnd't of been privatised. In my opinion it's on the same line as privatising the NHS. This is a good summary of why privatisation is a bad idea and nationalisation is a better one. The railways are like roads for public transport and the franchised companies are like companies contracted to run toll booths. What do they do? Charge extra and make Britain the most expensive for it's passengers:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 37891.html

I think it is only worth privatising an industry where a free market can reasonably be expected to operate. Simply replacing a state monopoly with regional private monopolies, or oligopolies if you're very lucky, solves none of the efficiency problems of nationalisation and causes all the problems associated with private monopolies.

[Britcan]

How about this?

Railways Act
Urgency: Moderate

Author: Britcan [NSP]
Sponsors:

RECOGNISING that while under British ownership a network of railways was established in this nation by the British government and that this network is still in existence today.

ASSERTING that since we are now an independent nation the railways should now be owned by the people of this nation.

MANDATES the following;

1) All parts of the existing railway network including overground, underground and other rapid transit systems should be nationalised with immediate effect. All citizens of this nations who owned shares in the railways as of 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 should be awarded the worth of the shares at 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 in compensation.

2) The government must hand over the running and maintenance of rapid transit networks to local government as soon as it is reasonably possible for it to do so.

3) The government take up the duty of maintaining and running the national railway system of this nation and that any and all profits from the railways go into the treasury of the nation.

HEREBY forms the Aurentine Railways Board which will operate as a part of the Ministry of Transport and be charged with overseeing the maintaing and running of the national railway system as well as regularly checking up on the rapid transit networks in order to ensure that the local government is running and maintaing them to a reasonable degree.

[Phing Phong]

How about this?

Railways Act
Urgency: Moderate

Author: Britcan [NSP]
Sponsors:

RECOGNISING that while under British ownership a network of railways was established in this nation by the British government and that this network is still in existence today.

ASSERTING that since we are now an independent nation the railways should now be owned by the people of this nation.

MANDATES the following;

1) All parts of the existing railway network including overground, underground and other rapid transit systems should be nationalised with immediate effect. All citizens of this nations who owned shares in the railways as of 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 should be awarded the worth of the shares at 00:00 UTC on Monday 3rd of June 2013 in compensation.

2) The government must hand over the running and maintenance of rapid transit networks to local government as soon as it is reasonably possible for it to do so.

3) Local and national railways and rapid transit networks may run a profit or loss of no more than ten per cent.

4) Where local government is deemed by an independent audit to be running a rail network inefficiently or in any way in contravention of this Act, the Aurentine Railway Board may assume temporary control of the relevant railways in order to restructure their organisation and increase their efficiency to an acceptable level.

5) The government take up the duty of maintaining and running the national railway system of this nation and that any and all profits from the railways go into the treasury of the nation.

6) The national rail and rapid transit network must be operationally carbon-neutral by 2030.

HEREBY forms the Aurentine Railways Board which will operate as a part of the Ministry of Transport and be charged with overseeing the maintaing and running of the national railway system as well as regularly checking up on the rapid transit networks in order to ensure that the local government is running and maintaing them to a reasonable degree.

I think there should be a provision for the Aurentine Railway Board to assume control of railways in areas where local governmental bodies fail to meet established efficiency standards. I would also include a provision that local government may run their section of the railways at a loss or profit of no more than ten percent, unless they ask for extraordinary funding from the central government for necessary expansions. In terms of the environment, the national rail network should be operating as carbon-neutral by 2030.

EDIT: See changes above.

[Britcan]

I think there should be a provision for the Aurentine Railway Board to assume control of railways in areas where local governmental bodies fail to meet established efficiency standards.

I wouldn't oppose that.

I would also include a provision that local government may run their section of the railways at a loss or profit of no more than ten percent, unless they ask for extraordinary funding from the central government for necessary expansions.

Why put a cap on profit?

In terms of the environment, the national rail network should be operating as carbon-neutral by 2030.

I would be for switching over to running solely off electricity by 2030 but it being carbon-neutral depends on how the electricity is being generated.

[Phing Phong]

I would also include a provision that local government may run their section of the railways at a loss or profit of no more than ten percent, unless they ask for extraordinary funding from the central government for necessary expansions.

Why put a cap on profit?

If the local railway is making large profits, they should cut their fares. Just like how a government shouldn't have both high taxes and a large budget surplus.

In terms of the environment, the national rail network should be operating as carbon-neutral by 2030.

I would be for switching over to running solely off electricity by 2030 but it being carbon-neutral depends on how the electricity is being generated.

OK, if Aurentina is moving towards a primarily renewable and nuclear power grid by the mid-2030s anyway, that should not be a problem.

[Yanalia]

Why put a cap on profit?

If the local railway is making large profits, they should cut their fares. Just like how a government shouldn't have both high taxes and a large budget surplus.

I would be for switching over to running solely off electricity by 2030 but it being carbon-neutral depends on how the electricity is being generated.

OK, if Aurentina is moving towards a primarily renewable and nuclear power grid by the mid-2030s anyway, that should not be a problem.

It will be if my energy act passes.

[Britcan]

Why put a cap on profit?

If the local railway is making large profits, they should cut their fares. Just like how a government shouldn't have both high taxes and a large budget surplus.

I think the board should instead see that the fares don't go too high. If the fares are low and they are still making a profit of more than 10% then they should be applauded for running their section well.

[Polvia]

Perhaps there should be a clause allowing for national government intervention in those poorer areas of Aurintine where revenue for the city is less than adequate to construct or operate a rapid transit network?