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Postby Maryginia » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:53 pm

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Maryginia wrote:The conflicting statements are all the more reason for an inquiry. m It'll find let us find out who's lying.

Good idea. Would you be willing to head the inquiry?
Also, those who are already mafioso who wish to leave are granted amnesty from internal party discipline if they come forward and renounce the mafia, as well as cooperate with the inquiry.

Unfortunately I feel that I am biased towards it, as I suggested it, and could be used as propaganda, I personally wish for A joint inquiry by you and OT.
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Postby Valentir » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:44 pm

I'm going to go help the NIFP for awhile. I still want to be CMP but we need to at least try and honour our alliances.

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PURGE THE LIBERALS!

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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:11 am

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I reject this proposal. I feel this to be infringing on the individual liberties of Party members without just reason.

Pruss just said we are the second most infiltrated party in the senate, unless your a member what do you have to fear, seriously its a few personal questions or the like and be on your way, what's the harm in it, I fail to see how opening an inquiry on someone violates their liberties, I'm willing to go through it myself.


That's quite the slippery slope, senator. "If you've nothing to hide there is nothing to fear?"

This is a party of monarchists - not Jacobins. Our loyalty is to God and Country. Not to the Letter of the Law. We recognize that God's Law is higher than the Law of Men. It would not sit well were you to insist that an investigation to determine the tenor of a mans loyalty to the nation goes forth.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:17 am

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Maryginia wrote:Good to know, With this knowledge I'd Like to propose an inquiry into all members of the party, and purge those who are found to be in the Mafia.

Shall I list all the parties with mob members? You'd be purging almost every group in the senate.


Good Senator - that is not a threat you should be making.

I would rather you didn't announce, at the same time, the existence of violent family members and the intent to out them. Such would likely jeopardize your safety.
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Postby Maryginia » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:26 am

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Maryginia wrote:Pruss just said we are the second most infiltrated party in the senate, unless your a member what do you have to fear, seriously its a few personal questions or the like and be on your way, what's the harm in it, I fail to see how opening an inquiry on someone violates their liberties, I'm willing to go through it myself.


That's quite the slippery slope, senator. "If you've nothing to hide there is nothing to fear?"

This is a party of monarchists - not Jacobins. Our loyalty is to God and Country. Not to the Letter of the Law. We recognize that God's Law is higher than the Law of Men. It would not sit well were you to insist that an investigation to determine the tenor of a mans loyalty to the nation goes forth.

My fellow Senator, and good friend, I understand your point, However when An openly Mafiosi Member says we are the Second Most Infiltrated party, It worries me that our party could be soon forced to unwittingly serve the Mafia.
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Galactic Britannia wrote:PURGE THE LIBERALS!

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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:50 am

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That's quite the slippery slope, senator. "If you've nothing to hide there is nothing to fear?"

This is a party of monarchists - not Jacobins. Our loyalty is to God and Country. Not to the Letter of the Law. We recognize that God's Law is higher than the Law of Men. It would not sit well were you to insist that an investigation to determine the tenor of a mans loyalty to the nation goes forth.

My fellow Senator, and good friend, I understand your point, However when An openly Mafiosi Member says we are the Second Most Infiltrated party, It worries me that our party could be soon forced to unwittingly serve the Mafia.



Serve the Mafia? Well, senator, first I must ask what you mean by the term "mafia?" Do you mean an organization typically known by its use of extortion, violence, and racketeering? If so, then I suggest you recall that we currently serve the Senate. An organization typically known by its use of extortion, violence, and racketeering.

Now I'm not defending the criminal organization you fear by any means. What I am stating is that if you fear an infiltration of party membership because the Party should be loyal to our great nation then perhaps you should target the Party and not the members of the Party? And if that be the case, I'd ask you to describe the activities the Party has recently been involved in that cast such doubt on her loyalty?

We need more than the word of a single Senator suspected of ties to certain criminal elements to justify an inquiry of the scale you suggest and for the intent you suggest.

Certainly, I, as newly returned a Senator as you, have NO RIGHT to question the loyalty of the Party or its leadership. I put my faith in God and Lord Tyrrania and the men he chose to express his vision for the Party.
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Postby Maryginia » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:56 am

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Maryginia wrote:My fellow Senator, and good friend, I understand your point, However when An openly Mafiosi Member says we are the Second Most Infiltrated party, It worries me that our party could be soon forced to unwittingly serve the Mafia.



Serve the Mafia? Well, senator, first I must ask what you mean by the term "mafia?" Do you mean an organization typically known by its use of extortion, violence, and racketeering? If so, then I suggest you recall that we currently serve the Senate. An organization typically known by its use of extortion, violence, and racketeering.

Now I'm not defending the criminal organization you fear by any means. What I am stating is that if you fear an infiltration of party membership because the Party should be loyal to our great nation then perhaps you should target the Party and not the members of the Party? And if that be the case, I'd ask you to describe the activities the Party has recently been involved in that cast such doubt on her loyalty?

We need more than the word of a single Senator suspected of ties to certain criminal elements to justify an inquiry of the scale you suggest and for the intent you suggest.

Certainly, I, as newly returned a Senator as you, have NO RIGHT to question the loyalty of the Party or its leadership. I put my faith in God and Lord Tyrrania and the men he chose to express his vision for the Party.

And yet, it is the Individual party members that make up the party itself, Just as a number of Individuals make up a collective. Like it or not, when we have Our next elections for chairman, They are democratic, and should our party wind up having a majority of mafia members, and A mafia Candidate for chairman, they will get elected, and will then use the party as a tool, What I seek is an inquiry led my Our founder and chairman, Our founder, whom both you and I put faith in, leading the inquiry along with our chairman should, prevent the inquiry from being a leading one.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:02 am

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Serve the Mafia? Well, senator, first I must ask what you mean by the term "mafia?" Do you mean an organization typically known by its use of extortion, violence, and racketeering? If so, then I suggest you recall that we currently serve the Senate. An organization typically known by its use of extortion, violence, and racketeering.

Now I'm not defending the criminal organization you fear by any means. What I am stating is that if you fear an infiltration of party membership because the Party should be loyal to our great nation then perhaps you should target the Party and not the members of the Party? And if that be the case, I'd ask you to describe the activities the Party has recently been involved in that cast such doubt on her loyalty?

We need more than the word of a single Senator suspected of ties to certain criminal elements to justify an inquiry of the scale you suggest and for the intent you suggest.

Certainly, I, as newly returned a Senator as you, have NO RIGHT to question the loyalty of the Party or its leadership. I put my faith in God and Lord Tyrrania and the men he chose to express his vision for the Party.

And yet, it is the Individual party members that make up the party itself, Just as a number of Individuals make up a collective. Like it or not, when we have Our next elections for chairman, They are democratic, and should our party wind up having a majority of mafia members, and A mafia Candidate for chairman, they will get elected, and will then use the party as a tool, What I seek is an inquiry led my Our founder and chairman, Our founder, whom both you and I put faith in, leading the inquiry along with our chairman should, prevent the inquiry from being a leading one.


And what substantive evidence do you have to justify this "preemptive strike" on criminal activities of Party members? The words of a single man? Himself suspected of involvement?

I hardly think that casts a light of trustworthiness upon his words. Assuming the allegations are true, wouldn't that make him.... less trustworthy?

This is just too much an overreaction too fast. I think that you allow your own bias to compel you.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:02 am

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Maryginia wrote:My fellow Senator, and good friend, I understand your point, However when An openly Mafiosi Member says we are the Second Most Infiltrated party, It worries me that our party could be soon forced to unwittingly serve the Mafia.



Serve the Mafia? Well, senator, first I must ask what you mean by the term "mafia?" Do you mean an organization typically known by its use of extortion, violence, and racketeering? If so, then I suggest you recall that we currently serve the Senate. An organization typically known by its use of extortion, violence, and racketeering.

Now I'm not defending the criminal organization you fear by any means. What I am stating is that if you fear an infiltration of party membership because the Party should be loyal to our great nation then perhaps you should target the Party and not the members of the Party? And if that be the case, I'd ask you to describe the activities the Party has recently been involved in that cast such doubt on her loyalty?

We need more than the word of a single Senator suspected of ties to certain criminal elements to justify an inquiry of the scale you suggest and for the intent you suggest.

Certainly, I, as newly returned a Senator as you, have NO RIGHT to question the loyalty of the Party or its leadership. I put my faith in God and Lord Tyrrania and the men he chose to express his vision for the Party.


I would have to agree with this, also could it not be a ploy from Pruss to make us easier to conquer by his organisation? To create a climate of fear where we start infighting? It seems as if he has already begun to succeed after reading some of the posts over the last few days. He has been ejected from his party so clearly he is not the most harmonious of senators. It would suit him for us to be at each other throats, yet in face of this threat we must present a united front. Trust and honor are supposed to be watchwords of the party, lose that and the mafia have already won. I fear we have already lost such noble characteristics with the current situation and actions of the party president.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:08 am

Maryginia wrote:
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Serve the Mafia? Well, senator, first I must ask what you mean by the term "mafia?" Do you mean an organization typically known by its use of extortion, violence, and racketeering? If so, then I suggest you recall that we currently serve the Senate. An organization typically known by its use of extortion, violence, and racketeering.

Now I'm not defending the criminal organization you fear by any means. What I am stating is that if you fear an infiltration of party membership because the Party should be loyal to our great nation then perhaps you should target the Party and not the members of the Party? And if that be the case, I'd ask you to describe the activities the Party has recently been involved in that cast such doubt on her loyalty?

We need more than the word of a single Senator suspected of ties to certain criminal elements to justify an inquiry of the scale you suggest and for the intent you suggest.

Certainly, I, as newly returned a Senator as you, have NO RIGHT to question the loyalty of the Party or its leadership. I put my faith in God and Lord Tyrrania and the men he chose to express his vision for the Party.

And yet, it is the Individual party members that make up the party itself, Just as a number of Individuals make up a collective. Like it or not, when we have Our next elections for chairman, They are democratic, and should our party wind up having a majority of mafia members, and A mafia Candidate for chairman, they will get elected, and will then use the party as a tool, What I seek is an inquiry led my Our founder and chairman, Our founder, whom both you and I put faith in, leading the inquiry along with our chairman should, prevent the inquiry from being a leading one.


Maybe we should also have an inquiry into whether members are in the lawless vigilantly group? Also it could be entirely possible the party leadership are in either of the groups. What then? If we go on your thoughts/logic we should not even be trusting them.
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Postby Maryginia » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:21 am

Distruzio wrote:
Maryginia wrote:And yet, it is the Individual party members that make up the party itself, Just as a number of Individuals make up a collective. Like it or not, when we have Our next elections for chairman, They are democratic, and should our party wind up having a majority of mafia members, and A mafia Candidate for chairman, they will get elected, and will then use the party as a tool, What I seek is an inquiry led my Our founder and chairman, Our founder, whom both you and I put faith in, leading the inquiry along with our chairman should, prevent the inquiry from being a leading one.


And what substantive evidence do you have to justify this "preemptive strike" on criminal activities of Party members? The words of a single man? Himself suspected of involvement?

I hardly think that casts a light of trustworthiness upon his words. Assuming the allegations are true, wouldn't that make him.... less trustworthy?

This is just too much an overreaction too fast. I think that you allow your own bias to compel you.

I fail to see how that would make him less trustworthy, he clearly said this to get under our skin, He did that, however I do not think that he expected this reaction, would that make him more despicable for trying to create uneasiness in us? Yes it would, Yet I feel While I don't like it, myself, it needs to be done. A little OOC example from me to justify this, It's OOC as If I said this coming from My senator rather than myself as A person, well it would look weird; I have a volunteer job at a hospital, I work in the ER, Now starting Saturday Morning I got a nasty cold, And I still have it this morning, So, I had to call in sick to work today, I like my job, I Don't like the fact that I had to call in sick, But at the end Of the day, That's just what I had to do. Back to IC, Again, I myself Am not fond of the idea, And I suggested it, However I recognize what needs to be done, in order to prevent the party itself being used as a tool, due to infiltration, we need to launch an inquiry, I feel the suggestion will give time to Leave the mafia, for any members within it, and any who have not, Give them A chance to behind the scenes, they do not need to announce it here in the Party's HQ, to renounce their ties, if the mafia is more important to them then Monarchism is, then maybe this isn't the place for them.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:29 am

Maryginia wrote:
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And what substantive evidence do you have to justify this "preemptive strike" on criminal activities of Party members? The words of a single man? Himself suspected of involvement?

I hardly think that casts a light of trustworthiness upon his words. Assuming the allegations are true, wouldn't that make him.... less trustworthy?

This is just too much an overreaction too fast. I think that you allow your own bias to compel you.

I fail to see how that would make him less trustworthy, he clearly said this to get under our skin, He did that, however I do not think that he expected this reaction, would that make him more despicable for trying to create uneasiness in us? Yes it would, Yet I feel While I don't like it, myself, it needs to be done. A little OOC example from me to justify this, It's OOC as If I said this coming from My senator rather than myself as A person, well it would look weird; I have a volunteer job at a hospital, I work in the ER, Now starting Saturday Morning I got a nasty cold, And I still have it this morning, So, I had to call in sick to work today, I like my job, I Don't like the fact that I had to call in sick, But at the end Of the day, That's just what I had to do. Back to IC, Again, I myself Am not fond of the idea, And I suggested it, However I recognize what needs to be done, in order to prevent the party itself being used as a tool, due to infiltration, we need to launch an inquiry, I feel the suggestion will give time to Leave the mafia, for any members within it, and any who have not, Give them A chance to behind the scenes, they do not need to announce it here in the Party's HQ, to renounce their ties, if the mafia is more important to them then Monarchism is, then maybe this isn't the place for them.



Senator, you are just holding fast to your position. You aren't countering anything I've cast doubt on.

1. Why should we trust the word of the untrustworthy - assuming these allegations are true?

2. Why should we target the Party leadership when there has been NO abnormal party activity?

3. Why should we target the Party membership when there has been NO abnormal member activity?

4. How can we suggest that the activities of criminal enterprises are immoral and against the good of the Party out of fear of subjugation and subservience when the Party is already in service to an organization utilizing the self-same activities of the criminal enterprises? Are you suggesting that being affiliated with the Senate is, itself, against the interests of the Party and threatens our adherence to a more monarchic vision for this nation? What is the Senate but a cesspool of republican anti-monarchy hostility?, Senator?
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Postby Maryginia » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:37 am

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Maryginia wrote:I fail to see how that would make him less trustworthy, he clearly said this to get under our skin, He did that, however I do not think that he expected this reaction, would that make him more despicable for trying to create uneasiness in us? Yes it would, Yet I feel While I don't like it, myself, it needs to be done. A little OOC example from me to justify this, It's OOC as If I said this coming from My senator rather than myself as A person, well it would look weird; I have a volunteer job at a hospital, I work in the ER, Now starting Saturday Morning I got a nasty cold, And I still have it this morning, So, I had to call in sick to work today, I like my job, I Don't like the fact that I had to call in sick, But at the end Of the day, That's just what I had to do. Back to IC, Again, I myself Am not fond of the idea, And I suggested it, However I recognize what needs to be done, in order to prevent the party itself being used as a tool, due to infiltration, we need to launch an inquiry, I feel the suggestion will give time to Leave the mafia, for any members within it, and any who have not, Give them A chance to behind the scenes, they do not need to announce it here in the Party's HQ, to renounce their ties, if the mafia is more important to them then Monarchism is, then maybe this isn't the place for them.



Senator, you are just holding fast to your position. You aren't countering anything I've cast doubt on.

1. Why should we trust the word of the untrustworthy - assuming these allegations are true?

2. Why should we target the Party leadership when there has been NO abnormal party activity?

3. Why should we target the Party membership when there has been NO abnormal member activity?

4. How can we suggest that the activities of criminal enterprises are immoral and against the good of the Party out of fear of subjugation and subservience when the Party is already in service to an organization utilizing the self-same activities of the criminal enterprises? Are you suggesting that being affiliated with the Senate is, itself, against the interests of the Party and threatens our adherence to a more monarchic vision for this nation? What is the Senate but a cesspool of republican anti-monarchy hostility?, Senator?

As to your questions, Here are my answers:
1. As the alternative is the possibility of something worse, we are not McCarthyist's and launching public spectacles, these Inquiries can be done in Private and sealed, there is no need for a public shaming, and That Is not my intention by suggesting this.
2. I fail to see how we are targeting our leadership, In fact it is our leadership, One who has agreed to my proposal and One who nearly expelled a member of the party due to Mafia links, Our Leadership is not being targeted.
3. We have no Abnormal Party activity, That I agree to, however, We may have behind the scenes, Individual Party member actvity that is abnormal,that Is what the inquiry is for, it is not targeting, rather a report on the party, only more urgent and more serious than some others.
4. The difference between us Serving the Senate and the activities of a criminal Enterprise,being immoral, along with my fear of our party being used as A tool of that Enterpise, is We use the Senate to try to get our point across, the Mafia's point is to use people for their means, The Senate allows for some independence with what they do, hence why we have a party, the Mafia does not.
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Postby Grand Longueville » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:40 am

Say no to the inquiry. Damn interrogation.
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Grand Longueville wrote:Say no to the inquiry. Damn interrogation.


Yeah, nothing in the party platform mentions the bloody Spanish inquisition!
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Grand Longueville wrote:Say no to the inquiry. Damn interrogation.


Yeah, nothing in the party platform mentions the bloody Spanish inquisition!

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Postby Grand Longueville » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:44 am

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Grand Longueville wrote:Say no to the inquiry. Damn interrogation.


Yeah, nothing in the party platform mentions the bloody Spanish inquisition!


Precisely, brother!

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Postby Maryginia » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:54 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:Ladies and gentlemen of the CMP, your Lord President has returned from his absence. I expect a cup of Earl Grey, hot, and a brief summary of what has transpired in my absence. Oh, and,


I suggested an Idea for an inquiry as to who is in the Mafia, led by you and Chairman Diopolis, Preferably Sealed, and behind the scenes, followed by a Purging of the party as to anyone within the mafia.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:04 am

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Senator, you are just holding fast to your position. You aren't countering anything I've cast doubt on.

1. Why should we trust the word of the untrustworthy - assuming these allegations are true?

2. Why should we target the Party leadership when there has been NO abnormal party activity?

3. Why should we target the Party membership when there has been NO abnormal member activity?

4. How can we suggest that the activities of criminal enterprises are immoral and against the good of the Party out of fear of subjugation and subservience when the Party is already in service to an organization utilizing the self-same activities of the criminal enterprises? Are you suggesting that being affiliated with the Senate is, itself, against the interests of the Party and threatens our adherence to a more monarchic vision for this nation? What is the Senate but a cesspool of republican anti-monarchy hostility?, Senator?

As to your questions, Here are my answers:
1. As the alternative is the possibility of something worse, we are not McCarthyist's and launching public spectacles, these Inquiries can be done in Private and sealed, there is no need for a public shaming, and That Is not my intention by suggesting this.
2. I fail to see how we are targeting our leadership, In fact it is our leadership, One who has agreed to my proposal and One who nearly expelled a member of the party due to Mafia links, Our Leadership is not being targeted.
3. We have no Abnormal Party activity, That I agree to, however, We may have behind the scenes, Individual Party member actvity that is abnormal,that Is what the inquiry is for, it is not targeting, rather a report on the party, only more urgent and more serious than some others.
4. The difference between us Serving the Senate and the activities of a criminal Enterprise,being immoral, along with my fear of our party being used as A tool of that Enterpise, is We use the Senate to try to get our point across, the Mafia's point is to use people for their means, The Senate allows for some independence with what they do, hence why we have a party, the Mafia does not.



Publicity or not, you are laying grounds for an inquiry into the character of both the Party and the Party membership. You question their loyalty to the party. You question their ideals. You question the raison d'être for the existence of the Party. It is not to investigate loyalties or to accuse membership of falsehoods. It is to extol the virtues of a paternalist society and to defend the traditions of our nation. I fear that you go too far with this initiative. I cannot stand beside you in this. This is a witch hunt you propose, through and through. It isn't liberty you seek to elevate - it is security. I cannot aide you in this.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:04 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:Ladies and gentlemen of the CMP, your Lord President has returned from his absence. I expect a cup of Earl Grey, hot, and a brief summary of what has transpired in my absence. Oh, and,




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Postby Maryginia » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:18 am

Distruzio wrote:
Maryginia wrote:As to your questions, Here are my answers:
1. As the alternative is the possibility of something worse, we are not McCarthyist's and launching public spectacles, these Inquiries can be done in Private and sealed, there is no need for a public shaming, and That Is not my intention by suggesting this.
2. I fail to see how we are targeting our leadership, In fact it is our leadership, One who has agreed to my proposal and One who nearly expelled a member of the party due to Mafia links, Our Leadership is not being targeted.
3. We have no Abnormal Party activity, That I agree to, however, We may have behind the scenes, Individual Party member actvity that is abnormal,that Is what the inquiry is for, it is not targeting, rather a report on the party, only more urgent and more serious than some others.
4. The difference between us Serving the Senate and the activities of a criminal Enterprise,being immoral, along with my fear of our party being used as A tool of that Enterpise, is We use the Senate to try to get our point across, the Mafia's point is to use people for their means, The Senate allows for some independence with what they do, hence why we have a party, the Mafia does not.



Publicity or not, you are laying grounds for an inquiry into the character of both the Party and the Party membership. You question their loyalty to the party. You question their ideals. You question the raison d'être for the existence of the Party. It is not to investigate loyalties or to accuse membership of falsehoods. It is to extol the virtues of a paternalist society and to defend the traditions of our nation. I fear that you go too far with this initiative. I cannot stand beside you in this. This is a witch hunt you propose, through and through. It isn't liberty you seek to elevate - it is security. I cannot aide you in this.

I do not question their loyalty to the party, I question if the loyalty to the Mafia for those who are in it is higher than loyalty to the Party, if they are more loyal to the Mafia, then they, unfortunately are, quite dangerous, as they can be used to subvert the party's purpose. In addition, If the wish to defend the mafia more than they wish to Defend the Tradition's of this nation, something that can be inferred by learning that the loyalty to the mafia is higher than that of the party, well that Can be a problem, Finally, I do wish to Elevate Liberty, I understand My methods Are vanguard-esque, I am not a vanguard, myself, however, I feel this is the only way to do this, if anyone in the party, anyone, has a better way, please suggest them, I myself Do not find this suggestion Ideal, And I suggested it, I do not like the idea, and I suggested it, unfortunately I feel though it is something that must be stomached, again, though should anyone have a better way to perform this task, Please Suggest it.
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