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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:19 pm

Mediciano wrote:I think we, as a party, should nominate a King, even if we don't have the capacity to create any power or government for him yet.

Graf von Tyrannien and Queen Elizabeth II are our current candidates.
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Postby Mediciano » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:25 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Mediciano wrote:I think we, as a party, should nominate a King, even if we don't have the capacity to create any power or government for him yet.

Graf von Tyrannien and Queen Elizabeth II are our current candidates.

I was thinking we should find someone with undeniable noble lineage, massive wealth, strong connections to foreign monarchs, and the like (as if we could ever find someone like that).

But Queen Elizabeth II works too.
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Postby Unicario » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:26 pm

Or somebody who is the legitimate descendant of a former monarch.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:29 pm

Unicario wrote:Or somebody who is the legitimate descendant of a former monarch.


Good luck finding a non Bastard descedent.

Honestly the notion of Genology driven rule is laughable.

Oh i respect people for believing in the Monarchial sytem like any other but it doesn't change that you can have a wonderful ruler and then the nitwit son comes to power and drains the Treasury fighting pointless land wars in Asia.
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Postby Unicario » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:29 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
Unicario wrote:Or somebody who is the legitimate descendant of a former monarch.


Good luck finding a non Bastard descedent.

Honestly the notion of Genology driven rule is laughable.

Oh i respect people for believing in the Monarchial sytem like any other but it doesn't change that you can have a wonderful ruler and then the nitwit son comes to power and drains the Treasury fighting pointless land wars in Asia.


I believe you're looking at a non-bastard descendant, Senator.
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Postby Mediciano » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:30 pm

Unicario wrote:Or somebody who is the legitimate descendant of a former monarch.

Who? A hun? I don't see Atilla anywhere, to whom are you referring?

Teehee, but all Wilhelm II jokes aside, I don't trust you not to abdicate when the going gets tough.

Alright, seriously now, all Wilhelm jokes aside, I think the Rothschild family is in a much better modern position than a long out-of-power medieval ruling family from the state of Prussia now largely disenfranchised of their once vast wealth.
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Postby Celritannia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:31 pm

Maybe something similar to the Roman appointment of the Princep/Augustus/Emperor. Nominated by the current ruler and elected by the senate then ruling for life.

It favours both Republicans and Monarchists in my opinion.
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Postby Unicario » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:34 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Unicario wrote:Or somebody who is the legitimate descendant of a former monarch.

Who? A hun? I don't see Atilla anywhere, to whom are you referring?


=_=

Me, the full-sister of the Head of Hohenzollern, and the great-great-granddaughter of Kaiser Wilhelm II.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:34 pm

Unicario wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:
Good luck finding a non Bastard descedent.

Honestly the notion of Genology driven rule is laughable.

Oh i respect people for believing in the Monarchial sytem like any other but it doesn't change that you can have a wonderful ruler and then the nitwit son comes to power and drains the Treasury fighting pointless land wars in Asia.


I believe you're looking at a non-bastard descendant, Senator.


I am a few generations removed of a connection via marriage to the former Uncle to the Son of Royality if you believe the records up in my homeland. Honestly a connection to the Norwegian Throne isn't impressive and in fact sickening to me given their actions during the second world war.

Fleeing the country to Britian and encouraging the Military to fight to the death rather the be spared under Quisling? Bleh i could rant about this a while so i will cut this short.

Connection via blood or Marriage, Direct or no ultimately in my opinion is in no way a qualifying manner of selecting even a figurehead little lone a head of state or government or in some cases BOTH to me anyway.

I respect the belief but divine authority has always made me quirk a brow.
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Postby Mediciano » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:37 pm

Unicario wrote:
Mediciano wrote:Who? A hun? I don't see Atilla anywhere, to whom are you referring?


=_=

Me, the full-sister of the Head of Hohenzollern, and the great-great-granddaughter of Kaiser Wilhelm II.

I've edited my post, and the hun bit was a joke about Kaiser Bill. I know who you are.
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Postby Unicario » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:38 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Unicario wrote:
=_=

Me, the full-sister of the Head of Hohenzollern, and the great-great-granddaughter of Kaiser Wilhelm II.

I've edited my post, and the hun bit was a joke about Wilhelm. I know who you are.


Hey, we may be disenfranchised Prussians, but I would never abdicate and leave my country behind like great-great-grandfather did. I would be much like great-great-great-grandfather Frederick III or his father, Wilhelm I, in protecting the nation by all means needed.
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Postby Mediciano » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:40 pm

Unicario wrote:Hey, we may be disenfranchised Prussians, but I would never abdicate and leave my country behind like great-great-grandfather did. I would be much like great-great-great-grandfather Frederick III or his father, Wilhelm I, in protecting the nation by all means needed.

Still, you're commitment to Prussia doesn't make me feel any stronger about your right to rule in Aurentina. We need a King, not a Kaiserin.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:45 pm

Unicario wrote:
Mediciano wrote:Who? A hun? I don't see Atilla anywhere, to whom are you referring?


=_=

Me, the full-sister of the Head of Hohenzollern, and the great-great-granddaughter of Kaiser Wilhelm II.


I wouldn't exactly consider bragging about that Heritage.

Man was a middling ruler.

Not exactly bad but he did alright with what was handed to him i suppose.

But it's about the same as me bragging about my connection to Willy the Conqueror.

Which if you actually follow my family tree back far enough it does sort of make sense given that our House was a present and supposedly did supply him with portion of his arms at Hasting. Ancient Trading houses and companies have the most interesting family histories i have learned.

But Yeah Distantly back i am related to Henry the first whoo.

Apparently the agreement originally was for another of the Conquers children; a Duke out of Norway or something but he died but that agreement was reached and we got a bump up to "Queen Consort" sweet gig but it didn't go anywhere and so our family name phased out of History only to pop up again a few more times.

Large Family, More of it dead then alive if you bother digging through all the records.

Another Family member related via marriage was a Knight Teutonic who fought in the third crusade and he is actually the first recorded member of our family that we have been able to dig up and ironically? It was him dying that was big enough news to be recorded.
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Postby Unicario » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:47 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Unicario wrote:Hey, we may be disenfranchised Prussians, but I would never abdicate and leave my country behind like great-great-grandfather did. I would be much like great-great-great-grandfather Frederick III or his father, Wilhelm I, in protecting the nation by all means needed.

Still, you're commitment to Prussia doesn't make me feel any stronger about your right to rule in Aurentina. We need a King, not a Kaiserin.


I assure you I am more of a Aurentine than a Prussian. I was born here, and raised by two members of the Aurentine people, a low-level middle-class bureaucrat, and his wife, who both fled the terrible East German regime for here. My father and mother abandoned me, hoping to prevent me from inheriting land titles.
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Postby Maryginia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:01 pm

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Postby Grand Longueville » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:58 pm

Unicario wrote:
Mediciano wrote:Who? A hun? I don't see Atilla anywhere, to whom are you referring?


=_=

Me, the full-sister of the Head of Hohenzollern, and the great-great-granddaughter of Kaiser Wilhelm II.


I support Salic law.
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Postby Unicario » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:01 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Unicario wrote:
=_=

Me, the full-sister of the Head of Hohenzollern, and the great-great-granddaughter of Kaiser Wilhelm II.


I support Salic law.


What, we women aren't capable of being leaders? ._.
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Postby Grand Longueville » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:09 pm

Unicario wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
I support Salic law.


What, we women aren't capable of being leaders? ._.


It sets the wrong example, I think, for women to be monarchs. This is not to say that all lady monarchs are illegitimate or inferior. Queen Victoria, for example is one of my all time favorites.

I advise this Party to carry on with Tyrannien, by the Grace of God.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:12 pm

Boris has Royal Blood. Most importantly he is a man and is related to the family which used to rule this island so has a greater claim than this Prussian temptress.
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Postby Yankee Empire » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:32 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
Unicario wrote:Or somebody who is the legitimate descendant of a former monarch.


Good luck finding a non Bastard descedent.

Honestly the notion of Genology driven rule is laughable.

Oh i respect people for believing in the Monarchial sytem like any other but it doesn't change that you can have a wonderful ruler and then the nitwit son comes to power and drains the Treasury fighting pointless land wars in Asia.


Not Really I used to think the same but think about it.

The idea is that based on heredity that someone who has the traits of an effective ruler will have a better chance of passing down those traits to their child and that they will be raised with an education of statecraft guided by someone who knows of it firsthand (the Monarch) until they are of age to come to Rule.

The person you are mentioning i'm guessing is Tsar Nicholas II whos father didn't (I forget why) properly prepare him for the art of Ruling.
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Postby Unicario » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:40 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Unicario wrote:
What, we women aren't capable of being leaders? ._.


It sets the wrong example, I think, for women to be monarchs. This is not to say that all lady monarchs are illegitimate or inferior. Queen Victoria, for example is one of my all time favorites.

I advise this Party to carry on with Tyrannien, by the Grace of God.


God damn Catholics.
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Postby Grand Longueville » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:47 pm

Unicario wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
It sets the wrong example, I think, for women to be monarchs. This is not to say that all lady monarchs are illegitimate or inferior. Queen Victoria, for example is one of my all time favorites.

I advise this Party to carry on with Tyrannien, by the Grace of God.


God damn Catholics.


Deal with it, Teuton.
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Postby Distruzio » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:54 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Unicario wrote:Or somebody who is the legitimate descendant of a former monarch.

Who? A hun? I don't see Atilla anywhere, to whom are you referring?

Teehee, but all Wilhelm II jokes aside, I don't trust you not to abdicate when the going gets tough.

Alright, seriously now, all Wilhelm jokes aside, I think the Rothschild family is in a much better modern position than a long out-of-power medieval ruling family from the state of Prussia now largely disenfranchised of their once vast wealth.



This is something I could easily support as I, and my father, are and have been as long as our family name has existed, cohorts of the Rothschilds. The Medici have ever honored the commercial ties that bind.

Although, I admit a certain affection for Lord Ty.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:59 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
Unicario wrote:
=_=

Me, the full-sister of the Head of Hohenzollern, and the great-great-granddaughter of Kaiser Wilhelm II.


I wouldn't exactly consider bragging about that Heritage.

Man was a middling ruler.

Not exactly bad but he did alright with what was handed to him i suppose.

But it's about the same as me bragging about my connection to Willy the Conqueror.

Which if you actually follow my family tree back far enough it does sort of make sense given that our House was a present and supposedly did supply him with portion of his arms at Hasting. Ancient Trading houses and companies have the most interesting family histories i have learned.

But Yeah Distantly back i am related to Henry the first whoo.

Apparently the agreement originally was for another of the Conquers children; a Duke out of Norway or something but he died but that agreement was reached and we got a bump up to "Queen Consort" sweet gig but it didn't go anywhere and so our family name phased out of History only to pop up again a few more times.

Large Family, More of it dead then alive if you bother digging through all the records.

Another Family member related via marriage was a Knight Teutonic who fought in the third crusade and he is actually the first recorded member of our family that we have been able to dig up and ironically? It was him dying that was big enough news to be recorded.

If all you're going to do is say that heredity does not qualify one for rule, then leave. As for the rest of the discussion: We're going with Graf von Tyrannien because 1. The majority of our IC personas have some connection to a former monarch, but he is really the only one with a connection to a former monarch of Aurentina. 2. He's the lord president. Although it is not set in stone, those are the reasons for the current party line.
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Postby Harbertia » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:39 am

Due to my lack of activity I here by send in my resignation as a senator, should you choose to accept it.
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