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by **Wolfmanne** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:19 am

Whilst I won't be lobbying for you vote a certain option, I can answer questions if you wish me to. Also, I need you guys to make demands if you would join the new coalition (i.e. you want this kind of policy, you want this ministerial post etc).

EDIT: And out of respect, I request that either side does not conduct any lobbying or force debates. Let the Lib Dems decide among themselves and only answer questions that they ask.

by **Lemanrussland** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:31 am

I suppose I'll cast the first vote, though I reserve the right to change it later, depending upon the overall party reaction.

I vote in favor of joining the new coalition.

by **Geilinor** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:38 am

Coalition Voting
Stay in Progress Coalition:

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by **Glasgia** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:43 am

I'm going to counter Lemanrussland's vote and vote to stay in the Progress Coalition.

Wolfmanne wrote:Whilst I won't be lobbying for you vote a certain option, I can answer questions if you wish me to. Also, I need you guys to make demands if you would join the new coalition (i.e. you want this kind of policy, you want this ministerial post etc).

EDIT: And out of respect, I request that either side does not conduct any lobbying or force debates. Let the Lib Dems decide among themselves and only answer questions that they ask.

What are the Progressive Conservatives considering in terms of the Progress Coalition?

by **Maklohi Vai** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:48 am

I vote to stay in the Progress Coalition for the time being. I am also interested I the answer to Glasgia's question above. As for the other coalition, what would they be willing to concede to this party?

by **Great Nepal** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:50 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:I vote to stay in the Progress Coalition for the time being. I am also interested I the answer to Glasgia's question above. As for the other coalition, what would they be willing to concede to this party?

Well, we were looking if you had some demands before joining the coalition...

by **Geilinor** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:50 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:I vote to stay in the Progress Coalition for the time being. I am also interested I the answer to Glasgia's question above. As for the other coalition, what would they be willing to concede to this party?

They've offered to shift the coalition to the left a bit, and they sent an invitation to TR. Wolfmanne is going to appoint one of us as prime minister.

by **Geilinor** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:51 am

Glasgia wrote:I'm going to counter Lemanrussland's vote and vote to stay in the Progress Coalition.

Wolfmanne wrote:Whilst I won't be lobbying for you vote a certain option, I can answer questions if you wish me to. Also, I need you guys to make demands if you would join the new coalition (i.e. you want this kind of policy, you want this ministerial post etc).

EDIT: And out of respect, I request that either side does not conduct any lobbying or force debates. Let the Lib Dems decide among themselves and only answer questions that they ask.

What are the Progressive Conservatives considering in terms of the Progress Coalition?

I think the Progressive-Conservatives are going to leave the Progress Coalition.

by **Geilinor** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:53 am

Coalition Voting
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Leave Progress Coalition, be neutral:

Join new coalition: 1

by **Maklohi Vai** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:54 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:I vote to stay in the Progress Coalition for the time being. I am also interested I the answer to Glasgia's question above. As for the other coalition, what would they be willing to concede to this party?

Well, we were looking if you had some demands before joining the coalition...

Well, if we are indeed getting the PM spot, I think we'd also want two ministries or so, and we would want economic individuality, ie the ability to decide ourselves.

by **Geilinor** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:56 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Well, we were looking if you had some demands before joining the coalition...

Well, if we are indeed getting the PM spot, I think we'd also want two ministries or so, and we would want economic individuality, ie the ability to decide ourselves.

I brought those requests up.

by **Great Nepal** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:58 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Well, we were looking if you had some demands before joining the coalition...

Well, if we are indeed getting the PM spot, I think we'd also want two ministries or so, and we would want economic individuality, ie the ability to decide ourselves.

We already have free vote in regards to taxation, so that's most of economy as free vote.
As for ministries, we haven't divided up ministries but I am sure we can get enough for everyone (even if we have to create new ones)... they are like free currency.

by **Maklohi Vai** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:10 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Well, if we are indeed getting the PM spot, I think we'd also want two ministries or so, and we would want economic individuality, ie the ability to decide ourselves.

We already have free vote in regards to taxation, so that's most of economy as free vote.
As for ministries, we haven't divided up ministries but I am sure we can get enough for everyone (even if we have to create new ones)... they are like free currency.

We're asking for full individual economic determination, not just taxes. As for ministries, could you post all involved parties and their numbers? That would help us figure out who gets what and how much they get. If you want to, look on the Progress Coalition thread for a method that I used to divide seats.

by **Geilinor** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:25 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:We already have free vote in regards to taxation, so that's most of economy as free vote.
As for ministries, we haven't divided up ministries but I am sure we can get enough for everyone (even if we have to create new ones)... they are like free currency.

We're asking for full individual economic determination, not just taxes. As for ministries, could you post all involved parties and their numbers? That would help us figure out who gets what and how much they get. If you want to, look on the Progress Coalition thread for a method that I used to divide seats.

LibDems-29
ProgCon-32
LFP-24
NCP-15
CFE-11
The TR, CSP, and the NSP have been invited, but there has been no response.

by **Geilinor** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:27 am

The most up to date discussions are on Esper IRC chat. http://www.esper.net/publicirc.php

by **Maklohi Vai** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:29 am

Geilinor wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:We're asking for full individual economic determination, not just taxes. As for ministries, could you post all involved parties and their numbers? That would help us figure out who gets what and how much they get. If you want to, look on the Progress Coalition thread for a method that I used to divide seats.

LibDems-29
ProgCon-32
LFP-24
NCP-15
CFE-11
The TR, CSP, and the NSP have been invited, but there has been no response.

How many standard ministries are there (not including PM)?

by **Britcan** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:29 am

Geilinor wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:We're asking for full individual economic determination, not just taxes. As for ministries, could you post all involved parties and their numbers? That would help us figure out who gets what and how much they get. If you want to, look on the Progress Coalition thread for a method that I used to divide seats.

LibDems-29
ProgCon-32
LFP-24
NCP-15
CFE-11
The TR, CSP, and the NSP have been invited, but there has been no response.

We haven't been invited to anything as far as I'm aware.

by **Geilinor** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:30 am

Britcan wrote:
Geilinor wrote:LibDems-29
ProgCon-32
LFP-24
NCP-15
CFE-11
The TR, CSP, and the NSP have been invited, but there has been no response.

We haven't been invited to anything as far as I'm aware.

There was talk about doing it.

by **Great Nepal** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:32 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Geilinor wrote:LibDems-29
ProgCon-32
LFP-24
NCP-15
CFE-11
The TR, CSP, and the NSP have been invited, but there has been no response.

How many standard ministries are there (not including PM)?

At the moment? 12 but I was thinking we can increase that to fulfill every party's demand. MFP allows prime minister to create as many ministries as he wants.

by **Britcan** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:33 am

Geilinor wrote:
Britcan wrote:We haven't been invited to anything as far as I'm aware.

There was talk about doing it.

Well then say that, the way you put it made it sound like we were ignoring your invitation.

by **Fulflood** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:35 am

Geilinor wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:We're asking for full individual economic determination, not just taxes. As for ministries, could you post all involved parties and their numbers? That would help us figure out who gets what and how much they get. If you want to, look on the Progress Coalition thread for a method that I used to divide seats.

LibDems-29
ProgCon-32
LFP-24
NCP-15
CFE-11
The TR, CSP, and the NSP have been invited, but there has been no response.

So dividing the 12 ministries between this would mean that for every 9.25 members, a party gets a ministry:
PC - 3 (+.46)
LD - 3 (+.13)
LFP - 3 (-.41)
NCP - 2 (-.38)
CFE - 1 (+.19)
That's out of 111 members. Assuming the VP, Pres, PM + DPM are left from the hangovers of the Cabinet positions, Pres=PC, VP=LD, PM=CFE, DPM=NCP (assuming order of importance is Pres, PM, VP, DPM).

If we add the Transportation and Commerce Ministries, then it's one for every 7.93 members:
PC - 4
LD - 4
LFP - 3
NCP - 2
CFE - 1

Also we need at least another party (if this coalition does form) if we're going to form a viable coalition.

by **Maklohi Vai** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:37 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:How many standard ministries are there (not including PM)?

At the moment? 12 but I was thinking we can increase that to fulfill every party's demand. MFP allows prime minister to create as many ministries as he wants.

With Transportation it's 13, which gives 3 each to the first three parties on there, and then 2 to the others.

by **Great Nepal** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:38 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:At the moment? 12 but I was thinking we can increase that to fulfill every party's demand. MFP allows prime minister to create as many ministries as he wants.

With Transportation it's 13, which gives 3 each to the first three parties on there, and then 2 to the others.

Alright. Although, as I said we can fullfill every ministerial demands by creating more ministries.

by **Soviet Canuckistan** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:23 pm

I vote to remain in the Progress Coalition

by **Geilinor** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:31 pm

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