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Costa Alegria
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:15 pm

I'm also in discussions with the Red-Greens. They don't actually know that the CMP and the NFIP have been kicked out.
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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:16 pm

Beta Test wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:And the CMP is out. From their HQ:



Well, I haven't withdrawn support for the coalition as a whole yet, but I might if this political impass continues.


This could be a good time to do a "the week with Rupert" I would be more than happy to oblige as one of the main protagonists.
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Beta Test
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Postby Beta Test » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:18 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Beta Test wrote:
Well, I haven't withdrawn support for the coalition as a whole yet, but I might if this political impass continues.


This could be a good time to do a "the week with Rupert" I would be more than happy to oblige as one of the main protagonists.


I have someone who is going to appear but he's not online yet. However, you can appear as well. It can be a special on the unfolding government crisis in Aurentina.
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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:32 pm

Beta Test wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
This could be a good time to do a "the week with Rupert" I would be more than happy to oblige as one of the main protagonists.


I have someone who is going to appear but he's not online yet. However, you can appear as well. It can be a special on the unfolding government crisis in Aurentina.


Sounds good. send me a TG when you know more about time etc.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:33 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:I'm also in discussions with the Red-Greens. They don't actually know that the CMP and the NFIP have been kicked out.


We left as per the instruction of our liege.
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Costa Alegria
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:46 pm

We should hold another vote on a Prime Ministerial candidate.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:08 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:We should hold another vote on a Prime Ministerial candidate.

They'll just be rejected like Geilinor. We need to wait for the coalition situation to figure itself out.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:11 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Costa Alegria wrote:We should hold another vote on a Prime Ministerial candidate.

They'll just be rejected like Geilinor. We need to wait for the coalition situation to figure itself out.


What would happen if I said I'd like to become the candidate?
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:13 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:They'll just be rejected like Geilinor. We need to wait for the coalition situation to figure itself out.


What would happen if I said I'd like to become the candidate?

Well I would support you, but I think with the current situation you would not be elected to PM.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:14 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:Well I would support you, but I think with the current situation you would not be elected to PM.


Worth a try though. Same goes for the negotiations between myself and the Red-Greens.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:19 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Well I would support you, but I think with the current situation you would not be elected to PM.


Worth a try though. Same goes for the negotiations between myself and the Red-Greens.

You'd have to get Wolf to nominate you as PM first.
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Postby Chetssaland » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:11 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Well I would support you, but I think with the current situation you would not be elected to PM.


Worth a try though. Same goes for the negotiations between myself and the Red-Greens.


It wouldn't make any difference until the coalition situation gets sorted out. They won't accept anyone from our coalition right now. Simple as that.

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Postby Costa Alegria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:12 pm

Chetssaland wrote:
Costa Alegria wrote:
Worth a try though. Same goes for the negotiations between myself and the Red-Greens.


It wouldn't make any difference until the coalition situation gets sorted out. They won't accept anyone from our coalition right now. Simple as that.


Fuck them. We'll make the new PM non-negotiable.
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Postby Chetssaland » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:14 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Chetssaland wrote:
It wouldn't make any difference until the coalition situation gets sorted out. They won't accept anyone from our coalition right now. Simple as that.


Fuck them. We'll make the new PM non-negotiable.


How, exactly?

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Postby Costa Alegria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:33 pm

Chetssaland wrote:
Costa Alegria wrote:
Fuck them. We'll make the new PM non-negotiable.


How, exactly?


By not having the vote. If the Senate's going to fuck with us, we'll fuck with them.
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Postby Slazliyka » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:35 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Chetssaland wrote:
How, exactly?


By not having the vote. If the Senate's going to fuck with us, we'll fuck with them.


You have to hold the vote. The PM holds office with confidence of the senate. Even if you don't hold the vote we can still motion for a vote of no confidence on the PM and every minister he appointed. The president, too, I believe. We've shown we can get more votes than you.

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Postby Costa Alegria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:39 pm

Slazliyka wrote:You have to hold the vote. The PM holds office with confidence of the senate.


There's nothing binding anyone to do so, especially in the face of your merry little band of fuckwits called the "opposition".

Even if you don't hold the vote we can still motion for a vote of no confidence on the PM and every minister he appointed. The president, too, I believe.


That would be true if the President didn't have the powers of veto.

We've shown we can get more votes than you.


As I said, inactivity. You don't have more votes. You just have senators who happened to be active.
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Postby Slazliyka » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:42 pm

As I said, inactivity. You don't have more votes. You just have senators who happened to be active.


Only active senators may vote, if you hadn't figured that out.

That would be true if the President didn't have the powers of veto.


He can only veto something if it passed, and he'd be out of office before he could veto it if he lost a voe of no confidence.

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Postby Costa Alegria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:44 pm

Slazliyka wrote:He can only veto something if it passed, and he'd be out of office before he could veto it if he lost a voe of no confidence.


Well, we'd have to make sure that it doesn't happen now does it?

Oh, and a word of advice. Hubris isn't good to have.
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Postby Slazliyka » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:46 pm

Well, we'd have to make sure that it doesn't happen now does it?


The same way you made sure your PM was appointed?

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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:49 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Chetssaland wrote:
How, exactly?


By not having the vote. If the Senate's going to fuck with us, we'll fuck with them.

Let's not do that, shall we?
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Costa Alegria
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:49 pm

Slazliyka wrote:The same way you made sure your PM was appointed?


Nope. We have ways and means of circumventing your shenanigans.
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Postby Slazliyka » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:50 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Slazliyka wrote:The same way you made sure your PM was appointed?


Nope. We have ways and means of circumventing your shenanigans.


Ah, glad to see you openly admit you're willing to circumvent democracy when it doesn't serve your interests.

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Postby Chetssaland » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:51 pm

Let's all take a step back here. We're not getting around the legislative process. If the opposition wants to clog up the government, they have that right, and we'll just have to find a way to fix things.

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Postby Costa Alegria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:55 pm

Slazliyka wrote:Ah, glad to see you openly admit you're willing to circumvent democracy when it doesn't serve your interests.


Hey, I wouldn't have to had you and those fuckwits in the NIFP hadn't decided to fuck around with the government for fun. The situation can easily be resolved if you play ball.

Chetssaland wrote:Let's all take a step back here. We're not getting around the legislative process. If the opposition wants to clog up the government, they have that right, and we'll just have to find a way to fix things.


Nice to see some optimism here but there's no way in hell it can be fixed. The left and the extreme right are basically in one big circle jerk to spite everyone because they're butthurt that someone decided to fuck them over.
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