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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:15 pm

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Yanalia wrote:
Not until a vote of confidence surely.

True, but our coalition is the largest. :p We'll have the vote soon.


Being the largest of the three coalitions and having a majority are not the came thing. The other two coalitions will vote against you as they want the chance to join a government or make their own.
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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:26 pm

Beta Test wrote:Geilnor will become Prime Minister. He has the new coalition's support.

Yes, but I was thinking he could be PM for two extra days before elections too. :p

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Great Nepal wrote:But president who is supposed to appoint PM appointed someone else, therefore un-nominating old PM...


The President presents a PM to the Senate. He/She must pass the vote of confidence to actually become PM.

Upon re-reading REA, I feel that would be accurate yes. So, all hail prime minister* Geilinor! *in two days
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:27 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Geilinor wrote:True, but our coalition is the largest. :p We'll have the vote soon.


Being the largest of the three coalitions and having a majority are not the came thing. The other two coalitions will vote against you as they want the chance to join a government or make their own.

You said that about the Progress Coalition too, didn't you?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:29 pm

Geilinor wrote:
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Being the largest of the three coalitions and having a majority are not the came thing. The other two coalitions will vote against you as they want the chance to join a government or make their own.

You said that about the Progress Coalition too, didn't you?


No, I was not around at that point, maybe somebody else did though.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:03 pm

This serves as my official withdrawal from the race. My sincerest congratulations to Geilinor for his win, it was well deserved. He will be a great leader for our Senate as he has been for our party.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:04 pm

Heads-up: The far-left is launching a WEA-style TG campaign against Geilinor's PM appointment.
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Postby Beta Test » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:06 pm

Ainin wrote:Heads-up: The far-left is launching a WEA-style TG campaign against Geilinor's PM appointment.


In that case, we shall start a TG campaign for his appointment!
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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:58 pm

Tip: You guys should go second that motion in the chamber to bring the Geilinor PM appointment to a vote.
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Postby Potenco » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:14 pm

I beliene it is in the best interest of Aurentinia and the Aurentinian left if you leave the coalition. The fact is, the LFP and the CFE are both reactionary parties that have little to offer Aurentinia. The two parties will try to prevent you from putting forward any intelligent legislation and will push hard for deregulation and cutting back on workers rights. I understand your predicament as a party of sensible people in an unsensible political situation, but this coalition is nothing but bad.
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Postby Smoya » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:16 pm

Hey guys,

Sorry I haven't replied for a long time. I got caught up in other things. Anyways, anything I need to know?
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Postby Beta Test » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:18 pm

Smoya wrote:Hey guys,

Sorry I haven't replied for a long time. I got caught up in other things. Anyways, anything I need to know?


Well, The Progress Coalition is dead. Wolfmanne is the new president and a new coalition that includes us is on the verge of being formed.
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Postby Smoya » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:20 pm

Beta Test wrote:
Smoya wrote:Hey guys,

Sorry I haven't replied for a long time. I got caught up in other things. Anyways, anything I need to know?


Well, The Progress Coalition is dead. Wolfmanne is the new president and a new coalition that includes us is on the verge of being formed.

Okay. Anything I could do?
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Postby Beta Test » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:23 pm

Smoya wrote:
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Well, The Progress Coalition is dead. Wolfmanne is the new president and a new coalition that includes us is on the verge of being formed.

Okay. Anything I could do?


Wolfmanne nominated Geilnor for PM. You could support the motion to bring it to a vote in the chamber.
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Postby Smoya » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:24 pm

Beta Test wrote:
Smoya wrote:Okay. Anything I could do?


Wolfmanne nominated Geilnor for PM. You could support the motion to bring it to a vote in the chamber.

Thanks.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:30 pm

Potenco wrote:I beliene it is in the best interest of Aurentinia and the Aurentinian left if you leave the coalition. The fact is, the LFP and the CFE are both reactionary parties that have little to offer Aurentinia. The two parties will try to prevent you from putting forward any intelligent legislation and will push hard for deregulation and cutting back on workers rights. I understand your predicament as a party of sensible people in an unsensible political situation, but this coalition is nothing but bad.

I must disagree, senator. While the CFE is anti-communist, that does not mean they are irrational. They will still support workers rights, although maybe not to the extent we would. The LFP agrees with us on most social issues and even some basic economic ones. Senator, under the terms of the agreement the LDP was granted full autonomy regarding taxes and a high level of individuality regarding other economic members. This coalition does not compromise us, and I strongly recommend that you respect our decision to remain in the coalition.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:17 pm

Ainin wrote:Heads-up: The far-left is launching a WEA-style TG campaign against Geilinor's PM appointment.

Why do they think our coalition is right-wing? The LibDems, TR, PC, and NCP basically dominate the coalition.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:18 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Ainin wrote:Heads-up: The far-left is launching a WEA-style TG campaign against Geilinor's PM appointment.

Why do they think our coalition is right-wing? The LibDems, TR, PC, and NCP basically dominate the coalition.

Because it's easier to attack the extremist elements. It's like if we were to label their coalition authoritarian solely because some USLP members are authoritarian.
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Postby Rome and Italy » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:19 pm

Hello!! I am new I have not been excepted YET. But I would like to ask if the leadership of this party allows the formation of caucuses?? 8)

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:19 pm

The right and left-wings are planning to form some kind of electoral alliance, but not a full coalition, against our cabinet. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=247695 I don't think it'll work though. Communists and USLP and NIFP and CMP working together on anything, even opposition? Disaster.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:20 pm

Rome and Italy wrote:Hello!! I am new I have not been excepted YET. But I would like to ask if the leadership of this party allows the formation of caucuses?? 8)

We do have some flexibility with the platform. We don't enforce voting through whips. What type of caucus?
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Postby Rome and Italy » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:21 pm

Also is there a thread or something about who is in the coalitions?

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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:21 pm

Geilinor wrote:The right and left-wings are planning to form some kind of electoral alliance, but not a full coalition, against our cabinet. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=247695 I don't think it'll work though. Communists and USLP and NIFP and CMP working together on anything, even opposition? Disaster.

When the centre-left can't agree with the far-left, chances are the far-right won't either.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:25 pm

Rome and Italy wrote:Also is there a thread or something about who is in the coalitions?

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=245946 The social democratic Totally Rad Party is involved too, so it isn't libertarian or center-right, it's centrist.
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Postby Yanalia » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:51 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Ainin wrote:Heads-up: The far-left is launching a WEA-style TG campaign against Geilinor's PM appointment.

Why do they think our coalition is right-wing? The LibDems, TR, PC, and NCP basically dominate the coalition.


1. I've been calling it the right coalition since it was just PC-UFL, so I have continued using it.
2. The PC and UFL, both right-wing, wrote the original platform.
3. The coalition is dominated by the PC and UFL parties, I would say, as they took the lead in creating it. and writing the programme. TR and LD joined later, and had less leverage as they hardly had another coalition to join by that point.
4. The CFE, whose platform was written by Hippostania, is a member of the coalition.
5. The farthest right party (CFE) is more right than the farthest left party (TR) is left.
6. Two parties in the coalition support laissez-faire capitalism, while none support socialism.

This is why I think the overall balance of the coalition is to the right.
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Postby Fulflood » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:11 pm

Yanalia wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Why do they think our coalition is right-wing? The LibDems, TR, PC, and NCP basically dominate the coalition.


1. I've been calling it the right coalition since it was just PC-UFL, so I have continued using it.
2. The PC and UFL, both right-wing, wrote the original platform.
3. The coalition is dominated by the PC and UFL parties, I would say, as they took the lead in creating it. and writing the programme. TR and LD joined later, and had less leverage as they hardly had another coalition to join by that point.
4. The CFE, whose platform was written by Hippostania, is a member of the coalition.
5. The farthest right party (CFE) is more right than the farthest left party (TR) is left.
6. Two parties in the coalition support laissez-faire capitalism, while none support socialism.

This is why I think the overall balance of the coalition is to the right.

Makes sense, but it's centre-right at best.
Also the PCs are pretty centrist for the most part, moreso than the NCP (who are centre-right really).
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